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Clearing out G5s?
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Hattig said:
i don't think they'll drop the bus speed from the current models.
i also think it's odd that only the 1.6 g5's are being offered for this. unless maybe they just have a surplus of the low end model because it hasn't sold as well as the dual 1.8 and 2 ghz models.
here is my take on it. They are clearing out supplies for WWDC. There will be kind of update, but noone is going to be able to know what it is. Everyone knew the G5 was coming last year, but noone knew what it was until WWDC. Displays are definately coming, and i believe G5 iMacs are as well. Here is what i would bet on being there.
PowerMac G5
Dual 2.0Ghz $1799
Dual 2.6 Ghz $2499
Dual 3.0Ghz $2999
iMac G5
15" 1.6Ghz $1299
17" 1.8Ghz $1799
20" 1.8Ghz $2099
Displays
17"
20"
23"
30"
PowerMac G5
Dual 2.0Ghz $1799
Dual 2.6 Ghz $2499
Dual 3.0Ghz $2999
iMac G5
15" 1.6Ghz $1299
17" 1.8Ghz $1799
20" 1.8Ghz $2099
Displays
17"
20"
23"
30"
is the imac (ie, a consumer machine) really going to be discussed at this show for professionals?
i don't think it's really been done before
i believe that the 1.6 with the adc discount is 1299 bucks. which is great. but, it's still not really "worth" just buying because of the price... i mean, the machine ain't all that great.
i don't think it's really been done before
i believe that the 1.6 with the adc discount is 1299 bucks. which is great. but, it's still not really "worth" just buying because of the price... i mean, the machine ain't all that great.
I think the reason it's only 1.6 G5s is that they aren't selling half as well as the dual proc models. So never fear, 3GHz will be here!
JasonElise1983 said:
Well, actually it was a bit before WWDC....
http://www.macminute.com/2003/06/19/g5
Skiniftz said:Can you elaborate on that? What are these sound problems? I need to know as the only reason I'm going to buy a G5 is to switch my (audio) studio over to Mac.
Check out the Apple support discussion pages for the G5: http://discussions.info.apple.com/. The issue involves the power supply.
As for the discounting of 1.6s: I would think they would try to get rid of these for one of two reasons.
One, there will be a modest bump of the G5s -- that would, of course, disappoint everyone. Maybe the line would look like this: 1.8, 2.0, 2.2. I can hear the cries of pain now.
Two, there will be a major move of the G5s, and the 1.8 and 2.0 chips will be used in iMacs or some other product.
In both cases, no need for 1.6 units anymore. In the first scenario, a hundred Macrumor members slit their throats. In the second scenario, I get a new G5.
stocks are low...
this info is confirmed in France by macbidouille.com/hardmac.com
it is here:
http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2004-05-27#2186
and this is not a rumor, this simply a fact...
now this corraltes quite well with the rumor from croquer.free.fr regarding the future PMG5 Trinity to be announced at the WWDC...
Just to remind you here are the rumored specs:
single PPC 975 @ 2,2 GHz
AGP 8x
FSB 1,1 GHz
Superdrive
Dual PPC 975 @ 2,6 GHz
PCI-Express 16x
FSB 1,3 GHz
Superdrive Extreme (double layer)
Dual PPC 975 @ 3 GHz
PCI-Express 16x
FSB 1,5 GHz
Superdrive Extreme (double layer)
with a BTO for a PRO graphic card still unknown such as FireGL
this info is confirmed in France by macbidouille.com/hardmac.com
it is here:
http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2004-05-27#2186
and this is not a rumor, this simply a fact...
now this corraltes quite well with the rumor from croquer.free.fr regarding the future PMG5 Trinity to be announced at the WWDC...
Just to remind you here are the rumored specs:
single PPC 975 @ 2,2 GHz
AGP 8x
FSB 1,1 GHz
Superdrive
Dual PPC 975 @ 2,6 GHz
PCI-Express 16x
FSB 1,3 GHz
Superdrive Extreme (double layer)
Dual PPC 975 @ 3 GHz
PCI-Express 16x
FSB 1,5 GHz
Superdrive Extreme (double layer)
with a BTO for a PRO graphic card still unknown such as FireGL
darthdrinker said:"The man" has no influence on the yields in the proc factory. Especially because there have been problems before. So I will believe when I see, but I sure hope there will be 3G.
You don't think if Steve spent a month in Fishkill at IBM the mere power of his RDF wouldn't magically increase their processor yields?
I would have to say (and this is pure speculation, of course) that whatever new lineup we see may still include the 2Ghz PM, with it now forming the bottom end of a new trio of machines with significant speed bumps as you go up: 2Ghz, 2.6 Ghz, 3Ghz. Even if those numbers are off, I still think that the G5 towers are going to be the machines recieving the upgrades - not the iMacs, or any other Mac. If WWDC is a show for professionals, it is logical that Apple would focus on the "pro" line - the G5s (or the Powerbook, but we all know that's a ways off).
Ok. Stocks are low on G5's. Stocks are almost nil on iPod Mini's... guess that means rev B mini's should be announced any time. The two points (low stock of G5's and new iterations of the G5) are not in any way intrinsically intertwined.. Yes, it seems pretty obvious that new G5's are coming sooner rather than later, but how that fact ties into your regurgitated fantasy specs is beyond me. Is your point that since Rumor Site "A" reported one fact, everything Rumor Site "A" reports must also be fact? You aren't SERIOUSLY trying to say that, are you?eric67 said:
Damn why can't Apple update their line up now!!
Because in about 7 days I'll be buying for my business:
One high-end dual 2Ghz G5 with 23" Apple display.
17" Apple display.
Top end eMac
and 20"display iMac.
I would rather be buying a new 3Ghz G5 for my Bus. and home.
But oh well.
I'll probably have to wait until around X-mas for the 3GHz G5 for home and maybe a new top end Powerbook and 4th gen iPod and OS X Tiger.
Spending alot of money with Apple this yr.
Because in about 7 days I'll be buying for my business:
One high-end dual 2Ghz G5 with 23" Apple display.
17" Apple display.
Top end eMac
and 20"display iMac.
I would rather be buying a new 3Ghz G5 for my Bus. and home.
But oh well.
I'll probably have to wait until around X-mas for the 3GHz G5 for home and maybe a new top end Powerbook and 4th gen iPod and OS X Tiger.
Spending alot of money with Apple this yr.
tazznb said:
The main boards in all the G5s models are the same physically. My 1.6 has all the solder points for another processor socket, another 4 RAM slots, etc. It is just that they haven't soldier the slots and socket on, and the controller for PCI cards is either different (or more likely) set up differently.
JasonElise1983 said:
Besides the question if we'll see a 3GHz PM (which I seriously doubt), is it realistic that the current top of the line config becomes the low end confing of the new revision? If the low end gets a 2GHZ cpu than it will be a single proc. machine. (So that the current high end machine remains faster than the future low end PM).As for the iMac, I think they will drop the 15" screen and sell two different 17" configs.
To be honest, I REALLY dont care what speeds we see these in, as long as we dont have to wait 3 months for them to ship. I would be so stoked if they announced the new G5's, and they were available within a 3-4 week timeframe.
A 2.6 G5 would still be a very fast machine.
A 2.6 G5 would still be a very fast machine.
jelloshotsrule said:
im running a 1.6 right now and its a great machine.. Best Mac I have ever used.! stop trashing it..
no,IndyGopher said:
but macbidouille.com/hardmac.com is not a rumor site anymore, croquer.free.fr is indded a young rumor site with not much credit yet
adamfilip said:
hahaha. yes sir
but really, it's not all that much better than a 1.4 g4
which is fine. it's just that i might otherwise be looking very hard to find a way to justify getting one... but my dual 2 will be enough for now.
IBM said 3 gigs in a year
Everyone seems to think that Steve J made a rash statement about 3 gigs for the G5 in a year - and tend to forget that a few minutes later an IBM Vice-President walked on stage and said 3 gigs in a year. It was definitely in the road map with full expectations that it would be delivered by IBM as well as Apple.
Fab problems on the 90 nm processor killed the Feb/Mar speed bump for the PM (and release of a G5 iMac), but that does not mean that the problems are long term. I expect that IBM is working very hard to keep the commitment THEY made at last year's WWDC and that Steve AND a VP from IBM will announce 3 gigs for delivery in fall. They might even have a PM ready for delivery that is in the mid 2 gig range.
When Steve makes a hardware announcement at this year's WWDC it is important to remember that it will be based on how IBM is doing with the fabs of various chip. There are all sorts of chip names floating around (970FX, 975, 980) but what will count is what IBM is going to be able to get out the door.
Because WWDC is a developer's conference it is the ideal place for Steve to announce where Apple is going in the future. A 3 gig announcement for fall delivery is just that - where Apple is going in the fall.
The iMac range is also of interest to developers who target the consumer and pro-sumer markets and an announcement of a G5 iMac would go over very well for these folks. The problem is that they cannot release a G5 iMac until the speed is increased in the PM range.
Because the 1.6 gig is a 130 nm chip I do not see it going into the iMac. I would bet (up to $1.00) that the G5 iMac's would have a 90 nm chip and would top out 0.2 below the top speed of the PM range. The iMac line is simply too important to Apple not to make a G5 iMac a kick ass computer from Day One. They are going to need to have speeds at 2.0 or higher for the 20", faster FSB's for all models - actually most of the neat things inside of the current PM (except 9 fans) that kick up speed.
If new PMs are ready with dual 2.4, 2.6 and 2.8 for delivery now, with 3.0 in the fall then I believe that the G5 iMac would top out at 2.4 or 2.6 for the larger screens, even if it is a BTO machine. G5 1.6 is dead, unless it is scheduled for the eMac in a few months.
WWDC Projections?
Speed bumps for the PM with 3.0 in the fall.
Next generation G5 iMac with specs close to the PM in terms of speed.
New iPod with a color screen that Steve can pass out to all paying attendees.
Everyone seems to think that Steve J made a rash statement about 3 gigs for the G5 in a year - and tend to forget that a few minutes later an IBM Vice-President walked on stage and said 3 gigs in a year. It was definitely in the road map with full expectations that it would be delivered by IBM as well as Apple.
Fab problems on the 90 nm processor killed the Feb/Mar speed bump for the PM (and release of a G5 iMac), but that does not mean that the problems are long term. I expect that IBM is working very hard to keep the commitment THEY made at last year's WWDC and that Steve AND a VP from IBM will announce 3 gigs for delivery in fall. They might even have a PM ready for delivery that is in the mid 2 gig range.
When Steve makes a hardware announcement at this year's WWDC it is important to remember that it will be based on how IBM is doing with the fabs of various chip. There are all sorts of chip names floating around (970FX, 975, 980) but what will count is what IBM is going to be able to get out the door.
Because WWDC is a developer's conference it is the ideal place for Steve to announce where Apple is going in the future. A 3 gig announcement for fall delivery is just that - where Apple is going in the fall.
The iMac range is also of interest to developers who target the consumer and pro-sumer markets and an announcement of a G5 iMac would go over very well for these folks. The problem is that they cannot release a G5 iMac until the speed is increased in the PM range.
Because the 1.6 gig is a 130 nm chip I do not see it going into the iMac. I would bet (up to $1.00) that the G5 iMac's would have a 90 nm chip and would top out 0.2 below the top speed of the PM range. The iMac line is simply too important to Apple not to make a G5 iMac a kick ass computer from Day One. They are going to need to have speeds at 2.0 or higher for the 20", faster FSB's for all models - actually most of the neat things inside of the current PM (except 9 fans) that kick up speed.
If new PMs are ready with dual 2.4, 2.6 and 2.8 for delivery now, with 3.0 in the fall then I believe that the G5 iMac would top out at 2.4 or 2.6 for the larger screens, even if it is a BTO machine. G5 1.6 is dead, unless it is scheduled for the eMac in a few months.
WWDC Projections?
Speed bumps for the PM with 3.0 in the fall.
Next generation G5 iMac with specs close to the PM in terms of speed.
New iPod with a color screen that Steve can pass out to all paying attendees.
I posted this to a reply in the Buyers advice over 3 weeks ago. They've had this discount going for atleast that long (I know because I'm a student developer who just bought a machine and looked for quite a while). This IS NOT NEWS! It's been going on for weeks and is nothing special from that email yesterday.
BEN
BEN
Ok, if I could get a 1.6 G5 for $1299 I would buy one RIGHT NOW. How do I get this hook up?
Seriously.
Seriously.