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HOW many firewire 800 drives are out there ? How many thunderbolt peripherals are out there ?

Screwing around with firewire 800 = big uproar


Using new port before anyone else with no peripherals commercially available = bragging rights (but at least you can use it as a mini display port so it's not entirely redundant).


Thunderbolt is bragging rights at the moment. The fastest I/O port available on any computer etc... just forget that sod all uses it at the moment.

if they put a lightpeak port where FW800 is and included a dongle to convert, i'd see no issue with that.
 
Are you suggesting the no one should innovate because it might not yet be compatible with what is currently out there? Seriously?

I'm not sure how you pulled me hating innovation from my question... kind of a silly stretch.

I asked if anyone could tell me why I should want this. I guess you don't have an answer?

If this is a new port that isn't well supported, it wont be a reason that I would want a macbook pro. Just because something is new or innovative doesn't mean that's grounds for buying it.
 
I'm not sure how you pulled me hating innovation from my question... kind of a silly stretch.

I asked if anyone could tell me why I should want this. I guess you don't have an answer?

If this is a new port that isn't well supported, it wont be a reason that I would want a macbook pro. Just because something is new or innovative doesn't mean that's grounds for buying it.

Because if you're keeping the computer for a a while, more and more devices will come out for it. You will already have the port, so you can adopt the devices when they come out quickly. The fact that there aren't tons of devices out for it yet (big emphasis on "yet") isn't a deal breaker for most. That's outweighed by "I'll be able to use devices when they come out", "I'm more future-proofed", and "I'm the first to have it" (yes, that does matter to some folks, but it's not the main reason of course).
 
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...and you KNOW if Apple waited until there were tons of devices out there that used it, everyone (ESPECIALLY on this board) would be like "FINALLY!!" when it came out.

If I have to choose between those, I'll take it earlier than later.
 
I can't help but call BS on the image floating around. This image, supposedly of the "Thunderstruck" logo, is nothing more than a photoshopped "flash" symbol from a camera. It is the universal symbol. Any logo that is for a thunderbolt would not have the little arrow on the end.

Flash...

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"Thunderbolt"
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Just sayin...
 
I can't help but call BS on the image floating around. This image, supposedly of the "Thunderstruck" logo, is nothing more than a photoshopped "flash" symbol from a camera. It is the universal symbol. Any logo that is for a thunderbolt would not have the little arrow on the end.

Flash...

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"Thunderbolt"
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Just sayin...

Did you see the picture of the box, a few posts up from this one. What else could it be?
 
Not buying this rumor at all. It makes FAR more sense to hybridize the FireWire 800 port or one of the USB ports than it does the miniDP port. Unless it's Apple's way of squeezing $40 more for the splitter for normal miniDP and normal Lightpeak.

A monitor makes the perfect docking station so it makes a lot of sense in the DisplayPort connector. I would have liked to see it in USB ports as well, but the copper implementation may not support the optical USB 3, so maybe there's little point in including it in USB ports at this time.
 
A monitor makes the perfect docking station so it makes a lot of sense in the DisplayPort connector.
Only if every laptop buyer also purchases a display that connects solely with a Thunderbolt/Mini-Displayport hybrid connector, none of which exist.
 
Did you see the picture of the box, a few posts up from this one. What else could it be?

No, I didn't. I was too busy registering my account and it was posted during this process. That does look more legit because of the clarity but I'm still doubting the legitimacy of the logo/name. I'll guess we'll see tomorrow.
 
No, I didn't. I was too busy registering my account and it was posted during this process. That does look more legit because of the clarity but I'm still doubting the legitimacy of the logo/name. I'll guess we'll see tomorrow.

The name is printed on the box, and the picture of the laptop right above it is not a photoshop.
 
How do you suppose the roll out will occur tomorrow? Not sure if each site will update based on time zones, or the websites will be updated at the same time... Are we waiting for an announcement? Any ideas?
 
I'm not sure how you pulled me hating innovation from my question... kind of a silly stretch.

I asked if anyone could tell me why I should want this. I guess you don't have an answer?

If this is a new port that isn't well supported, it wont be a reason that I would want a macbook pro. Just because something is new or innovative doesn't mean that's grounds for buying it.

Granted. I wouldn't buy the new MBP's for a new gimmicky port. True. BUT, as echoed above, it will future-proof against the new displays.

Not universal. They are all suppose to have USB. A specific implementation that happens to be pragmatically ubiquitous. It is "universal" because it is the USB implementation.

iDevices need to recharge. That means power and display port, nor LightPeak provide power. ( and yes I'm aware of the "well maybe we can add it" power reference for LP.... however that only points out that it was not there in the original specs. )

iPods took off when they went to having a USB connector. It wasn't standard but it was USB plus some extras. Apple isn't going to some funky, higher cost connector anymore than retreating back to FW for iDevice connector. The vast majority of iDevices connect to non Apple PCs. They have no choice but to follow the general PC market. You have the tail wagging the dog if think Apple is going to force sockets onto PCs. the iDevices don't work if you don't hook them to a PC first.

It doesn't drop the need for USB at all because the external monitor is going to have USB ports on it. That means the same USB devices that people have and will buy over next several years will STILL more optimally plug into simple USB sockets ; not dongles.

The only way the drop the "need" for USB is for the external devices being plugged in drop USB. That's not likely to happen. Especially have Intel and AMD incorporate USB 3.0 into the core chipsets in the next iteration. If you bought a chipset you *have* USB 3.0 . It will be more the weird if vast majority PC vendors do not hook up what is present in the chipset. It is a bit looney to think they will pay for the functionality in their components and then block their users from getting to it. Yeah that is delivering value for the customer. *cough*

Dang. I got deconstructed. Good info though. I see now the logic of not wanting to put these thunderbolts on all iOs devices if ipods are used primarily by PC users. I also see a mess of plugs arriving in the back of the new ACD's like the weird old ACD's that had firewire400,800, and USB. It would be nice to par this universe down a bit. Maybe when lightpeak is truly light peak with fiber optics they can pack enough bandwidth in to also include power through some copper. I would love to have a single power,display,accessory plug. Slap a single USB and firewire 800 on the other side and it would be almost perfect.
 
I JUST REALIZED!

There has to be a other end to this cable!!!!


I dont think a Minidisplayport is allowed on an iPad or Pod or Phone..

So we wil probably see some tiny thing...

MR.com go find... gogogo, where is the cable!?
 
coool, now we just need stuff to plug into it. maybe that's why they're having the ipad 2 event so soon.

I doubt there will be alack of "stuff to plug into it." Companies will quickly adapt there products to include this type of connection. Soon enough, "Thunderbot" will become the norm.
 
This technology isn't even applicable to current peripherals - it will take at least a year for it to become "somewhat mainstream."

Then you'll feel all special when your MacBook is WAY ahead of the times ;)

Apple have clearly worked for a long time on this technology, and if they feel its ready they will release it. Knowing Apple they will also immediately discontinue any of their own USB branded products and change the connectors to LP ones.

Look at it this way: The next few years are going to be a bitch whilst everyone changes over. But once its done, thats it for at least 20 years! No more mass of connectors, which ultimately is HUGELY beneficial to everyone.
 
That "speckling" effect is just camera noise. There's nothing from the photo alone that suggests a material other than aluminum. You can see the speckle effect yourself if you take a picture of your aluminum notebook under low light, especially if you crop and scale.

I don't believe that's camera noise.
 
I'm not sure how you pulled me hating innovation from my question... kind of a silly stretch.

I asked if anyone could tell me why I should want this. I guess you don't have an answer?

If this is a new port that isn't well supported, it wont be a reason that I would want a macbook pro. Just because something is new or innovative doesn't mean that's grounds for buying it.

I really don't understand why everyone is so confused by this. There are obviously not going to be any Light Peak only devices out yet, as Intel is making the announcement on Thursday.

There will, however, be Light Peak devices in the future.

On top of that, the benefit to Thunderbolt would be that you could, say, go home and hook your laptop up to a hub, via one connection, that in turn is connected to a monitor, external drives/input devices, an audio recording interface, etc. etc. It's not very complicated.

What's more, you don't have to use it. All the old Firewire and USB ports are still there, and I'm glad we won't need a dongle to use them. The mini-DVI port is a no-brainer, and I think an elegant solution, in that people are mostly using dongles with it anyway. So for most peripherals, we won't need to carry around any extra junk.
 
Then you'll feel all special when your MacBook is WAY ahead of the times ;)

Apple have clearly worked for a long time on this technology, and if they feel its ready they will release it. Knowing Apple they will also immediately discontinue any of their own USB branded products and change the connectors to LP ones.

Look at it this way: The next few years are going to be a bitch whilst everyone changes over. But once its done, thats it for at least 20 years! No more mass of connectors, which ultimately is HUGELY beneficial to everyone.

Once again Apple sets the standard. Who needs USB 3.0 now? Not me. :D
 
Didn't read all 13 pages of posts, so forgive me if this is a repeat...

Wonder how long before HTC sends a legal cease and desist letter. With their "Thunderbolt" portable electronic device name legally protected, not sure how Apple thinks they'll get away with that name for their new port/connector.

I know Apple has a history of announcing something and assuming they can buy out the rightful owners of the name (e.g. school-yard bully tactics), but I don't think HTC will play along this time. This could get interesting.
 
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