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Just a brief point - I watched quite a few YouTube videos on my iPhone 4 last night, (just random ones really) and noticed most were not reaching the edges of the screen in landscape orientation so were not even 3:2 format - the "stretched" 4" screen leaked phone with 16:9 format would gain nothing over the existing iPhones for those kinds of videos except more black space at the sides.

I can't see HQ films being the mainstay of iPhone viewing, far more likely in-fact is general YouTube vids and the like - it's a phone after all. The iPad makes sense as a video device as it's comfortable to watch, a stretched iPhone seems like it's being done for the sake of it as competition do - not very "Apple".

A bigger screen is definitely preferable as smartphone use has changed rapidly and they are now basically used as small web-browsers or even mini work laptops - a merely stretched screen gains no real benefits in most uses, the phone wouldn't have to be much bigger to incorporate a 4.3" - 3:2 ratio screen which is just about the sweet spot for size vs convenience now the market has matured.

Many say they don't want a bigger screen - as long as the phone doesn't increase too much in size and remains easy to handle (tapered edges would probably make it more comfortable than the current design even if bigger!) I don't see any real negative to it and definite positives. Any extra size can house more battery to sustain life despite bigger screen.

Example below (I've wheeled this out before, just a quick photoshop but merely a demonstration of the not-much-bigger form factor required for this!)


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Looks like a Galaxy S3 with Apples trim. Load android 4.1 on it and we have a perfect phone.

Well done!
 
I'm really not interested. iPhone users have been fed the same product with tweaks here and there for years now, and if you ask me the iPhone is no where near deserving of being called an "elite phone" anymore. The iPhone (and its operating system iOS) line has gone stale and I for one wont upgrade my iPhone 4. What exactly are Apple doing to innovate or push through new technology in the iPhone? A 0.5" screen increase, probably a slightly faster processor, little more RAM maybe, and a very boring upgraded iOS 6 that I would consider iOS 5.5. The iPhone no longer offers unique selling points, Android phone are more than capable nowadays and surpass the iPhone in many ways.

They will still ship millions though.

So what would be innovation then? Holographic screen? I think it sounds awesome!

And in what way is an Android phone better than an iPhone? At best it's basically on par, if you prefer iOS as an OS it's sub par.
 
After a few days with the new iPhone, the proportions of the old one will look awkward and squashed.

True. Though a few days with an S3 and an iPhone 5 will seem small (albeit with a much better OS from
apple)
 
4.8" beyond portable? are you kidding?

Do you have girls hands and small pockets or something?

The S3 fits my pocket better than my iphone due to the slim profile and shape.

i use my phone with 2 hands most of the time anyway unless im doing simple tasks which still can be done easily with 1 hand.

I tend to think the phone should be usable by girls as well as guys! :D I have pretty big hands and don't have a problem with the S3 either but it is as large as I'd like a phone to be. I design product as part of my job and I have to bear in mind the needs of as many potential customers as possible, if a smaller woman can't reach all areas of the screen with one hand then you're dismissing millions of potential customers!

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Does anyone think this guy is overcompensating?

:)
 
Or, you know, go and buy a GS3.

I already did.

5 years of Apple iPhone and 2 months on Android.

Id say this make me experienced in the matters i talk about and adds weight to my opinion from the experience.

I see the best in Both OS's and right now im preferring what i can do on android.

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I tend to think the phone should be usable by girls as well as guys! :D I have pretty big hands and don't have a problem with the S3 either but it is as large as I'd like a phone to be. I design product as part of my job and I have to bear in mind the needs of as many potential customers as possible, if a smaller woman can't reach all areas of the screen with one hand then you're dismissing millions of potential customers!

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:)

My GF uses my S3 and she likes it and she has tiny hands. Just because you have small hands doesnt mean you cant use a big screen phone.

you just use it different.
 
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True. Though a few days with an S3 and an iPhone 5 will seem small (albeit with a much better OS from
apple)

The same works in reverse. After a few days with an iPhone the GS3 will seem huge and awkward! ;)

Each to their own of course but size is a preference when it comes to portable devices. The only reason Android OEMs are having to constantly go larger is because there are so few other ways they can differentiate themselves from other manufacturers.

Screens are very visible and some consumers are easily fooled by big numbers. If all the numbers in your list are bigger than all the numbers in someone else's list then you can persuade some types to think that makes your product superior. But that's a weak option only used by those who don't have any real differentiation to offer. Apple doesn't need to do that because no one else has the App Store, iTunes, iCloud, iOS, the whole Apple ecosystem of support and services, etc. You may question these things and think they aren't good but it is fair to say that they are differentiators and people seem to value them - that's why Apple doesn't need to compete on things like ever larger screens or ever more RAM. They can focus on getting the core experience top notch and then use their real unique selling points to underpin the value of their offerings.

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I already did.

5 years of Apple iPhone and 2 months on Android.

Id say this make me experienced in the matters i talk about and adds weight to my opinion from the experience.

I see the best in Both OS's and right now im preferring what i can do on android.

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My GF uses my S3 and she likes it and she has tiny hands. Just because you have small hands doesnt mean you cant use a big screen phone.

you just use it different.

It isn't the length of time it's how you behave that shows you for what you are.

And you see the world is such black and white terms that whatever is your preference is synonymous with the best for everyone?

You prefer Android. Fine. I don't and I have my own, perfectly good reasons that are just as valid as yours. Why do you feel the need to try to undermine others? Are you so insecure about your choices that you need everyone to agree with you?
 
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So what would be innovation then? Holographic screen? I think it sounds awesome!

And in what way is an Android phone better than an iPhone? At best it's basically on par, if you prefer iOS as an OS it's sub par.

you should really give one a try and you will see for yourself.

2100mah battery for a start
Expandable storage
live wall papers make the home screen and lock screen so much more interesting.
widgets are helpful
Torrents direct to the phone
background processes and true multitasking
quad core and 1gb ram allows you to do things that arent possible on lesser powered phones. My iPad 3 cant decode some video to my PS3 without lagging and stuttering but my S3 can.
There is more possibility on a app store thats not limited to apples rules.
Genuine 3rd party apps that can take advantage of all API's and not just the ones apple says you can use.
3rd party keyboards which are far superior to Apples.
3rd party browsers that offer genuine performance advantages over Safari.

the list can go on and on
 
you should really give one a try and you will see for yourself.

2100mah battery for a start
Expandable storage
live wall papers make the home screen and lock screen so much more interesting.
widgets are helpful
Torrents direct to the phone
background processes and true multitasking
quad core and 1gb ram allows you to do things that arent possible on lesser powered phones. My iPad 3 cant decode some video to my PS3 without lagging and stuttering but my S3 can.
There is more possibility on a app store thats not limited to apples rules.
Genuine 3rd party apps that can take advantage of all API's and not just the ones apple says you can use.
3rd party keyboards which are far superior to Apples.
3rd party browsers that offer genuine performance advantages over Safari.

the list can go on and on

So, basically, bigger, more bigger more and stuff only tech nerds will care about. OK. Oh, and some essentially pointless animations and other visual gimmicks?
 
The same works in reverse. After a few days with an iPhone the GS3 will seem huge and awkward! ;)

Each to their own of course but size is a preference when it comes to portable devices. The only reason Android OEMs are having to constantly go larger is because there are so few other ways they can differentiate themselves from other manufacturers.

Screens are very visible and some consumers are easily fooled by big numbers. If all the numbers in your list are bigger than all the numbers in someone else's list then you can persuade some types to think that makes your product superior. But that's a weak option only used by those who don't have any real differentiation to offer. Apple doesn't need to do that because no one else has the App Store, iTunes, iCloud, iOS, the whole Apple ecosystem of support and services, etc. You may question these things and think they aren't good but it is fair to say that they are differentiators and people seem to value them - that's why Apple doesn't need to compete on things like ever larger screens or ever more RAM. They can focus on getting the core experience top notch and then use their real unique selling points to underpin the value of their offerings.

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It isn't the length of time it's how you behave that shows you for what you are.

And you see the world is such black and white terms that whatever is your preference is synonymous with the best for everyone?

You prefer Android. Fine. I don't and I have my own, perfectly good reasons that are just as valid as yours. Why do you feel the need to try to undermine others? Are you so insecure about your choices that you need everyone to agree with you?

Actually im just disagreeing with you.

5 years with Apple and 2 months with Android makes me a Fanboy? give me a break. - this crap doesnt wash with me.

Bigger numbers are better when your talking about Ram and CPU and GPU actually! why do you think apple increase them every year? Just not as much as the competition because that would mean more cost and less profit.

Also i went from the iPhone to the SG3 and it doesnt feel huge and awkward at all. It just feels different. It certainly feels lighter and more capable if thats what you mean?

I recommended the iPhone over the years to many people. i even did it last week... to my mother. Because that's what the iPhone has become... a smartphone for your mother or granny. Its so simple and basic and easy to use that your technophobe mother can use it.

there is nothing wrong with that and there is a huge market for it. Just look in any Apple store at hundreds of people who are taking lessons on how to open Email on their iPad. This is what the Apple ecosystem has become. Dumbed down tech for the dumbed down person.

And that was my wake up call to get out!

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So, basically, bigger, more bigger more and stuff only tech nerds will care about. OK. Oh, and some essentially pointless animations and other visual gimmicks?

Apple pioneered pointless animations and gimmicks in OSX years ago versus windows. So be careful what you say on that front. your losing credibility pretty quick here
 
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IMHO the one handed use is overrated and to some degree overstated. Texting on most phones from the 4S up to SGS3 relies on the keyboard being at the bottom of the screen, so most people with average sized hands would be able to reach all characters. Opening any app may prove to be difficult if that app was in the top left corner of a large phone, (right handed user) it would be quite simple not to use that location (remembering that more apps would be available on the larger screen so the loss would be minimal or non existent) The other way of course is to use ones other hand on the rare occasion that, that app is needed, I would place one of my least used apps in that location.

I dont play games on my phone but would imagine that a larger screen space would be better for games. (I don't know that for fact though)

All the above is with my experience of using a iP4S and a SGS3 and have quite small hands. All the above is just my opinion of course.
 
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Does anyone think this guy is overcompensating?

It's funny, he is write that the tapered profile, like 3G iPhone, is easier to hold. Better design for that, but then you can't prop it up or on its side. I think the opitimal screen is 4.3 to 4.8. New iPhone is just not wide enough for my daily use.
 
Actually im just disagreeing with you.

5 years with Apple and 2 months with Android makes me a Fanboy? give me a break. - this crap doesnt wash with me.

Bigger numbers are better when your talking about Ram and CPU and GPU actually! why do you think apple increase them every year? Just not as much as the competition because that would mean more cost and less profit.

Also i went from the iPhone to the SG3 and it doesnt feel huge and awkward at all. It just feels different. It certainly feels lighter and more capable if thats what you mean?

I recommended the iPhone over the years to many people. i even did it last week... to my mother. Because that's what the iPhone has become... a smartphone for your mother or granny. Its so simple and basic and easy to use that your technophobe mother can use it.

there is nothing wrong with that and there is a huge market for it. Just look in any Apple store at hundreds of people who are taking lessons on how to open Email on their iPad. This is what the Apple ecosystem has become. Dumbed down tech for the dumbed down person.

And that was my wake up call to get out!

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Apple pioneered pointless animations and gimmicks in OSX years ago versus windows. So be careful what you say on that front.


Once again - time is irrelevant. Your behaviour shows you for what you are. Claiming otherwise based on how little time it took you to become a fandroid is fairly pointless. But lets have a look at what you're saying here.

"Bigger numbers are better when your talking about Ram and CPU and GPU actually! why do you think apple increase them every year? Just not as much as the competition because that would mean more cost and less profit."

Only when they come over as a better experience for the user. The numbers themselves are meaningless in that regard. And what do we see when we compare user satisfaction between Apple users and those of their competitors - Apple's is higher. Pretty much always. So, no, bigger numbers are not better.

"Also i went from the iPhone to the SG3 and it doesnt feel huge and awkward at all. It just feels different. It certainly feels lighter and more capable if thats what you mean?"

Personal preference. And since many, many more people buy iPhones than GS3s I guess we can't really use your sample of one as a real, definitive answer. You find it better - others clearly find other things better. Doesn't make you right or wrong so please stop acting like your preference = truth.

"I recommended the iPhone over the years to many people. i even did it last week... to my mother. Because that's what the iPhone has become... a smartphone for your mother or granny. Its so simple and basic and easy to use that your technophobe mother can use it.

there is nothing wrong with that and there is a huge market for it. Just look in any Apple store at hundreds of people who are taking lessons on how to open Email on their iPad. This is what the Apple ecosystem has become. Dumbed down tech for the dumbed down person."

You find simple and easy to use to be a bad thing, huh? Well each to their own.

I have no more use for you.

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Apple pioneered pointless animations and gimmicks in OSX years ago versus windows. So be careful what you say on that front. your losing credibility pretty quick here

Transitions that signal what's happening are not "pointless animations" while home screens that play little movies to you are.

As for credibility, I'm not worried about whether a sexist, elitist thinks I have credibility. You're the one showing himself up.

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I love how those with huge screen phones start playing down the one-handed use thing as if it's crazy that people would want a smartphone to be useable with a single hand.

Each to their own, of course, but please don't try to tell other people what they should and shouldn't want.
 
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All those things are cool and I get it about the screen I do. For me though I'm willing to give this phone a chance to see if I get use to it. I think this next phone coming up will have something no other phone offers something like haptic touch technology. I really believe that will be in the next phone. From what I've read and seen videos of it will be a game changer. I think that they will reveal why they chose the dimensions for the phone there will be a reason connected to haptic touch. My prediction.

You are going to be very disappointed my friend. Not even the slightest of chances. And next year you'll be disappointed again because most likely it won't be ready by then either.
 
after 5 years.

No i wont.

Im not paying 500GBP for apples small evolution of the same phone year after year.

But you're not paying £500 year after year, unless you are binning the old one! The upgrade price is more like £150.
 
The same works in reverse. After a few days with an iPhone the GS3 will seem huge and awkward! ;)

TRUE. But generally it's harder to go smaller than larger. My Point is two fold. Look at the non apple market - the vast majority of buyers are opting for 4.3 to 4.8 (not larger or smaller). That has to tell us something.

Second, if apple offered two phones - one with say a 4.5 inch, i would Bet the larger sells more. (that is not a given - some will want a smaller iPad if offered, some will want an 11inch vs 13 inch MacBook air. But that is what the rest of the market is showing us.)
 
you should really give one a try and you will see for yourself.

2100mah battery for a start
Expandable storage
live wall papers make the home screen and lock screen so much more interesting.
widgets are helpful
Torrents direct to the phone
background processes and true multitasking
quad core and 1gb ram allows you to do things that arent possible on lesser powered phones. My iPad 3 cant decode some video to my PS3 without lagging and stuttering but my S3 can.
There is more possibility on a app store thats not limited to apples rules.
Genuine 3rd party apps that can take advantage of all API's and not just the ones apple says you can use.
3rd party keyboards which are far superior to Apples.
3rd party browsers that offer genuine performance advantages over Safari.

the list can go on and on

Oh I have tried one, don't you worry.

You have a few points, but the ones that actually matters to me (and that is not to say they are unimportant to all, just to me):
* Battery life is just as bad on the average Android phone.
* Expandable storage - I have yet to fill my 16 GB iPhone. I don't really carry around a lot of files, all in the cloud.
* 3rd party keyboards - I absolutely loathe all keyboards except the Apple ones. That is of course my personal taste.
* Though there is "infinite possibilities" to make apps on Android, no developer seems to care as there are no apps for Android that actually does something cool that I haven't seen on the iPhone. (Except auto-lookup who's calling)

All in all, this will just end up a flame war, so basically I would never buy an Android phone since I hate the interface. To me it's just a clumsy iOS.
If iOS would stray too far from my personal likes I hope that either Android has actually improved or I would take a peek at Microsofts OS. But I don't see either scenario happening in the next few years.

Also, again not to point fingers, but if you prefer Android, why are you lurking about in macrumors?
 
New! The iKEA Phone.
You have to put them together yourself, but they cost a little less.

And there's always a couple of screws extra that the instructions don't tell you about, leaving you with the worry that you didn't quiet put it together properly in the first instance.

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Right. I can't understand all this insanity over "they must change the design!!" I don't understand. Why does there need to be a radical redesign on a phone that's a HUGE seller and is gorgeous? Just improve what needs to be improved...redesigning it doesn't make it good! I just don't get it. I want a GREAT phone, not one that's OK and is an "all new design" !!!?? Worry about the important things...performance, screen resolution, size, battery life, other important hardware....the design of 4/4s is beautiful.

Ok, so then just keep the damn phone looking how it is now and add a bigger (not longer) screen. Call it the atomic banana if you want but the current design is tired.

The rumoured designs look butt ugly, like some half-arsed effort made by an intern.
 
I wonder if it does have LTE, how the battery life will be. With such a small ass battery i would say its gonna suck.

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Oh I have tried one, don't you worry.

You have a few points, but the ones that actually matters to me (and that is not to say they are unimportant to all, just to me):
* Battery life is just as bad on the average Android phone.
* Expandable storage - I have yet to fill my 16 GB iPhone. I don't really carry around a lot of files, all in the cloud.
* 3rd party keyboards - I absolutely loathe all keyboards except the Apple ones. That is of course my personal taste.
* Though there is "infinite possibilities" to make apps on Android, no developer seems to care as there are no apps for Android that actually does something cool that I haven't seen on the iPhone. (Except auto-lookup who's calling)

All in all, this will just end up a flame war, so basically I would never buy an Android phone since I hate the interface. To me it's just a clumsy iOS.
If iOS would stray too far from my personal likes I hope that either Android has actually improved or I would take a peek at Microsofts OS. But I don't see either scenario happening in the next few years.

Also, again not to point fingers, but if you prefer Android, why are you lurking about in macrumors?


We aren't talking about average droid phones are we?
iPhone +LTE + current battery size = disaster

Swift Key owns any other touch screen keyboard including Apple
 
I'm quite looking forward to the new iphone (whatever it may be called), i'll just have a look at it and then decide if i want it or not. Otherwise i'll just get a 4S for a decent price and wait for the next big thing
 
My biggest issue with going to use Android is the GS3 and Xperia which are the two I like have that stupid ********ng crap on top of the OS. That is always a no sale. I don't really like the Galaxy Nexus. Rather use a Windows phone to avoid all that BS. Which also doesn't guarantee you can upgrade the OS since you have to hope the manufacturer does it. I am not interested in any rooting either, F that.

Those overlays on top of the OS are unnecessary and dumb. Also I rather not support another freaking Windows where it shoots to 90% market share and you have pretty much no choice since OEM's crap out Android device 1 billion and counting it seems. Droid is more than likely going to hit that # eventually as well which means same old sh** we had in the stale 90's and early 2000's.

Apple could play the marketshare game alot better while still making their ow hardware but they are working on great vision that was always severely limited.
 
Oh I have tried one, don't you worry.

You have a few points, but the ones that actually matters to me (and that is not to say they are unimportant to all, just to me):
* Battery life is just as bad on the average Android phone.
* Expandable storage - I have yet to fill my 16 GB iPhone. I don't really carry around a lot of files, all in the cloud.
* 3rd party keyboards - I absolutely loathe all keyboards except the Apple ones. That is of course my personal taste.
* Though there is "infinite possibilities" to make apps on Android, no developer seems to care as there are no apps for Android that actually does something cool that I haven't seen on the iPhone. (Except auto-lookup who's calling)

All in all, this will just end up a flame war, so basically I would never buy an Android phone since I hate the interface. To me it's just a clumsy iOS.
If iOS would stray too far from my personal likes I hope that either Android has actually improved or I would take a peek at Microsofts OS. But I don't see either scenario happening in the next few years.

Also, again not to point fingers, but if you prefer Android, why are you lurking about in macrumors?

Answer to you last question i still have a MAcbook Pro and a iPad,

Battery life is superior on the GS3 though its a fact.
You cannot loath android keyboards since there is so many of so many designs. Swiftkey 3 has some serious advantages. Use an iPad keyboard for 5 minutes and you will be sick of reach the top of the screen to stop auto correcting a word you dont want it to. like it or not choice is good, you can probably find a iOS keyboard on the play store.

Just so you know.

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My biggest issue with going to use Android is the GS3 and Xperia which are the two I like have that stupid ********ng crap on top of the OS. That is always a no sale. I don't really like the Galaxy Nexus. Rather use a Windows phone to avoid all that BS. Which also doesn't guarantee you can upgrade the OS since you have to hope the manufacturer does it. I am not interested in any rooting either, F that.

Those overlays on top of the OS are unnecessary and dumb. Also I rather not support another freaking Windows where it shoots to 90% market share and you have pretty much no choice since OEM's crap out Android device 1 billion and counting it seems. Droid is more than likely going to hit that # eventually as well which means same old sh** we had in the stale 90's and early 2000's.

Apple could play the marketshare game alot better while still making their ow hardware but they are working on great vision that was always severely limited.

Dude they have unlocked Bootloaders and you can put any custom Rom on you wish. CM10 rocks! you can even load on vanilla android.

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I wonder if it does have LTE, how the battery life will be. With such a small ass battery i would say its gonna suck.

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We aren't talking about average droid phones are we?
iPhone +LTE + current battery size = disaster

Swift Key owns any other touch screen keyboard including Apple

i think half the problem is that there is a lot of preconceived ideas about android which get propagated around forums and the press.

i know i was certainly a non believer until i jumped ship. the reason i jumped was 400 GBP in my bank to move. i moved for the money mostly on a deal i was offered and trade in on my old phone and a brand new S3 for free.

What i found was surprising and nothing like i had been led to believe.

i encourage people to give it a go. i loved my iphones but i cant live with Apples slow pace of change. it just doesnt suit me.
 
The same works in reverse. After a few days with an iPhone the GS3 will seem huge and awkward! ;)

TRUE. But generally it's harder to go smaller than larger. My Point is two fold. Look at the non apple market - the vast majority of buyers are opting for 4.3 to 4.8 (not larger or smaller). That has to tell us something.

It isn't really something you can opt out of though is it! High end phones are getting larger screens whether the buyer really wants that or not.

I would also question your assertion that the vast majority of non Apple phone sales are 4.3 to 4.8. The vast majority of premium phones perhaps but not all phones.
 
It will sell like mad of course but to my eye it looks too tall. It would have been nice had they reduced the size of the top and bottom areas and made the home button a thinner shape or got rid of it all together.


Anyone remember the "real" first iPhone by Cisco? I can't help but think of this when I see the new one. Like the idea has come full circle.


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not sure i see the resemblance. But we will finally see the new version next month. Can't wait
 
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