Complete 'iPhone 5' Front Panel and 4" Screen Photos

[GreyOS]

Try it and see for yourself.

Dude, seriously, I don't need to print out some paper to try it, I can use maths.

Diagonal measurements have long been used because that measurement yields the biggest number for marketing purposes.

I know diagonals are used.

A 65" HDTV screen is not 65" wide. A 36" HDTV screen is not 36" wide.

I know.

What size HDTV screen do you think you have? Now go measure its landscape width.

It's not necessary for me to measure my TV; I know that the diagonal is longer than either the height or the width.

A 4" iPhone screen won't be 4" wide.

I know.

It will be < 0.5" wider.

WRONG! It will >0.5" wider (in landscape, which I assume we're always referring to)

If you have the current iPhone, it's touted as having a 3.5" screen; measure it's landscape width and be surprised.

No I won't be surprised. Plus, I don't need to measure it, I can use maths.
The iPhone 4S is a 3:2 ratio with a 3.5" diagonal. W x H (in landscape) = 2.91" x 1.94".

In fact if the new 4" one is indeed as rumored, it is believed that it will come in just shy of 3.5" wide (3.484" to be exact).

Agreed (there abouts). Notice the figure YOU gave, 3.484", is > 0.5" wider than the current landscape width of 2.91"?!

To hit 4" wide in landscape, either the phone would have to be a LOT taller than all rumors have speculated OR the new phone would have to be widened too (as the "this is a red herring" crowd still believe).

I never said it would be 4" wide in landscape. I'm saying that in landscape it will be more than 0.5" wider than the iPhone 4S. It's you who's getting confused between diagonals, heights and widths. You gave a figure earlier that proved yourself wrong.

Print the width & height measurements of the current and future (rumored) iPhone and see for yourself.

Again, I really don't think I need to. I hope by this stage you agree.

Landscape will not be substantially wider on this rumored screen... just a little wider than landscape is now (especially, when considered against the on-screen keyboard).

Whether it is or isn't "substantially wider" is a qualitative or subjective judgement. I'm merely saying that it will be > 0.5" wider in landscape, something you denied.

Don't be fooled by the marketing spin (the iPad is not actually "magical" either).

Cheers for the advice.

 

[Zunjine]

Sometimes people like you need to relax and take a chill pill rather than jumping up and down in the forums and calling people you don't know 'idiots' because they have a differing opinion to yours.

If you are an expert in ergonomic design, then maybe I'd take your hypotheses seriously. As I suspect you are not, then I don't. I'm allowed to disagree with you, you know.

I see no reason why having a slimmer bezel could not be done - and I expect it to be done in future iPhone revisions. Maybe even the iPhone we'll see next month. Just as I have no problem pressing the Home button in its current location, I suspect I'd have no problem tapping other buttons, sliders, or toggles that were located a few milimeters lower than they currently are.

I'm not an expert in ergonomic design, but that's my opinion. And you may not agree with me, but I certainly don't think you're an idiot because of that.

Have a good day, now!

RTP.

It's not a question of disagreeing - it's one of having a bad attitude and responding to a serious post into which a lot of work was put with a sarcastic comment and some rolling eyes. It's rude.

I don't think your'e an idiot for disagreeing - you're absolutely entitled to your opinion and it is entirely valid. But you absolutely do look like an idiot when you come over all sarcastic without giving your comments any thought. It's childish and disrespectful and I expect better from grown ups (I assume you are one).

Your comments about me not being an "ergonomics expert" are a case in point. You're suggesting that you don't need to show the most basic level of respect as another human being with a valid opinion because I'm not an expert. How can you, with a straight face, demand your right to disagree with me and be respected for it while at the same time stating that you will only take my opinions seriously if I am an expert?

Again, I implore you, think.

 

[Roessnakhan]

LOL, yeah, why couldn't they make it a tad bit wider too. It does look weird but I will get one.

These other trolls saying android is now better are just dreaming. S3 might be nice but guess what? It's running android, which sucks. Apps on the android market are mostly crap too.

Do you want a mercedez(iphone) or do you want a Ford(android)?

You've never used an Android device before.

 

[Michael Scrip]

That this only improves on 2-3 specific things - everything else will be just as bad or worse in landscape-mode. In some cases you might even see less of a page (like cycomiko pointed out).

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/15492014/

Those Verge screenshots certainly show a reduced viewport.

But I don't usually keep a webpage zoomed out like that when browsing a full site on my iPhone anyway. Text is much too small for me.

Thank goodness for pinch-to-zoom:

Bottom line... I'm not gonna leave the iPhone because of how webpages are displayed

 

[MACis122]

Quote me: this will be the biggest iPhone launch yet.

This will be (and honestly why I think the 4s was) because of the amount of countries it will be available in within the first month. Tim Cook is a supply chain genius, and was his main job up until Steve started getting sick. Since he has become CEO, both the iPhone 4S and iPad 3 rollout was the fastest yet (somebody double check me just to be sure), which results in "record shattering launches." It causes a sheer drop off in sales after a couple months because of the market being saturated so quickly, but man does it cause huge launch buzz.

With new devices being launch while iPhone 4 users are eligible to upgrade I'm betting atleast 10% of those users are jumping ship. Most 4s users aren't gonna pay a partial subsidized price for a new phone. Without a new carrier (tmobile) being brought to the table I will say sales won't be as staggering as in the past.

 

[fabianjj]

This is the downside.

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Exactly. That is a CONSIDERABLE downside, especially given that the upside appears to be only less portait scrolling and better 16:9 video playback.

This is unless Apple really makes some changes to better utilize the extra screen space, and I do think it would be strange for Apple to make such a change for merely the two upsides stated above.

 

[AbSoluTc]

What makes you say this?

The fact that the white iphone 5 body pics I have seen look plastic. There are no milling marks or the like and every piece is pure white. I don't think they would be spray painting the metal.

 

[RodThePlod]

It's not a question of disagreeing - it's one of having a bad attitude and responding to a serious post into which a lot of work was put with a sarcastic comment and some rolling eyes. It's rude.

I don't think your'e an idiot for disagreeing - you're absolutely entitled to your opinion and it is entirely valid. But you absolutely do look like an idiot when you come over all sarcastic without giving your comments any thought. It's childish and disrespectful and I expect better from grown ups (I assume you are one).

Your comments about me not being an "ergonomics expert" are a case in point. You're suggesting that you don't need to show the most basic level of respect as another human being with a valid opinion because I'm not an expert. How can you, with a straight face, demand your right to disagree with me and be respected for it while at the same time stating that you will only take my opinions seriously if I am an expert?

Again, I implore you, think.

Zunjine, will you take the time to highlight in my post and show me where I have demanded that you respect my opinion? I have not, nor never will demand anything from you. Whether you love or hate my opinion means nothing to me, but please don't put words into my mouth.

The use of smilies in this forum is permitted and legitimate. Everyone uses them. Whether they are roll eyes, big grin, stick out tongue, whatever. That's why they're there on the right hand side when you're writing a post. Calling someone an idiot on the other hand, as you have done to me twice, is an insult. Check the forum rules and you'll see that insults are not allowed

Zunjine, please don't get all bent out of shape because I disagreed with your musings on why Apple designed the bezel of a phone the way they did. Is it really that big of a deal?

RTP.

 

[dv8r]

Those Verge screenshots certainly show a reduced viewport.

But I don't usually keep a webpage zoomed out like that when browsing a full site on my iPhone anyway. Text is much too small for me.

Bottom line... I'm not gonna leave the iPhone because of how webpages are displayed

I think it depends on the implementation - take the address book as an example, place that in landscape mode on the iPhone 4Stretch and it's just going to look odd.

I stick to my original point, when we get to the relatively small sizes of a phone, having a 16:9 screen is only useful for watching video (and not the 80% of YouTube that's 4:3) and playing games.

I once heard a man say that the iPhone is an iPod, a phone and an Internet communications device. 16:9 is good for the iPod part, does nothing for the phone part and (in my view) only improves slightly on the Internet Communications device side of things. I like most of this design (apart from the headphone jack moving) but this stretch screen just seems like an odd choice. I would like to hear the rationale behind it...

 

[Zunjine]

Zunjine, will you take the time to highlight in my post and show me where I have demanded that you respect my opinion? I have not, nor never will demand anything from you. Whether you love or hate my opinion means nothing to me, but please don't put words into my mouth.

The use of smilies in this forum is permitted and legitimate. Everyone uses them. Whether they are roll eyes, big grin, stick out tongue, whatever. That's why they're there on the right hand side when you're writing a post. Calling someone an idiot on the other hand, as you have done to me twice, is an insult. Check the forum rules and you'll see that insults are not allowed

Zunjine, please don't get all bent out of shape because I disagreed with your musings on why Apple designed the bezel of a phone the way they did. Is it really that big of a deal?

RTP.

I'm not sure what part of "I'm not concerned that you disagreed, I'm bothered by your attitude" you don't understand. Either way, I'm sure you see what I mean. You don't have to admit it.

 

[fabianjj]

Those Verge screenshots certainly show a reduced viewport.

But I don't usually keep a webpage zoomed out like that when browsing a full site on my iPhone anyway. Text is much too small for me.

Thank goodness for pinch-to-zoom:

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Bottom line... I'm not gonna leave the iPhone because of how webpages are displayed

Yes there is pinch-to-zoom, but unless Apple changes the way webpages are displayed, the new aspect ratio will be worse for landscape viewing. Currently it won't let me zoom out further than the point where the page width exactly covers the screen (well it will a little bit, but only if you keep it pinched), and at that point some websites becomes barely viewable as is. And this will only be worse with a 16:9 screen.

 

[Michael Scrip]

I stick to my original point, when we get to the relatively small sizes of a phone, having a 16:9 screen is only useful for watching video (and not the 80% of YouTube that's 4:3) and playing games.

And I'll stick to my original point...

There are PLENTY of 16:9 phones and no one is complaining.

Yes... Apple started with 3:2 and then switched to 16:9... so I totally understand the difference if you compare those two.

But if 16:9 is so bad... why is pretty much EVERY other phone 16:9 today?

The iPhone is going 16:9... every other phone is 16:9... I'm sorry man... you're stuck.

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Yes there is pinch-to-zoom, but unless Apple changes the way webpages are displayed, the new aspect ratio will be worse for landscape viewing. Currently it won't let me zoom out further than the point where the page width exactly covers the screen (well it will a little bit, but only if you keep it pinched), and at that point some websites becomes barely viewable as is. And this will only be worse with a 16:9 screen.

How do all those other phones with 16:9 screen display web pages?

You realize the new iPhone won't be the only phone to ever have a 16:9 screen...

 

[GreyOS]

Here is a the Motorola Atrix 4G, a 4" 16:9 phone. I'm not saying it's a beautifully designed phone, but it doesn't look abnormally long- because its top and bottom bezel aren't as large as the iPhone's. The Atrix is only 2.5mm taller than a 4S.

 

[dv8r]

And I'll stick to my original point...

There are PLENTY of 16:9 phones and no one is complaining.

Yes... Apple started with 3:2 and then switched to 16:9... so I totally understand the difference if you compare those two.

But if 16:9 is so bad... why is pretty much EVERY other phone 16:9 today?

The iPhone is going 16:9... every other phone is 16:9... I'm sorry man... you're stuck.

That wasn't the point - the point was that in this case the 16:9 ratio won't improve quality in landscape mode by much. The second point was that a phone is not your primary media device - so 3:2, 4:3 or 16:9 matters less because video and games should not be the deciding factor on a smartphone.

You went from "some" over "pretty much every one" to "every other phone" in less than an hour - i admire your consistency.

 

[Sedrick]

And I'll stick to my original point...

There are PLENTY of 16:9 phones and no one is complaining.

Yes... Apple started with 3:2 and then switched to 16:9... so I totally understand the difference if you compare those two.

But if 16:9 is so bad... why is pretty much EVERY other phone 16:9 today?

The iPhone is going 16:9... every other phone is 16:9... I'm sorry man... you're stuck.

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How do all those other phones with 16:9 screen display web pages?

You realize the new iPhone won't be the only phone to ever have a 16:9 screen...

The point you 16:9 advocates conveniently leave out of your argument is that a 4" 16:9 screen is pathetically small. Sure it's great on 4.3" and up, but it's nearly worthless on a 2" wide (in portrait) screen. No other high-end smartphone has a 16:9 4" screen.

At best, it's a half-arse attempt by Apple to joint the 4" screen crowd... long after they've all gone 4.3" and up.

 

[Michael Scrip]

That wasn't the point - the point was that in this case the 16:9 ratio won't improve quality in landscape mode by much. The second point was that a phone is not your primary media device - so 3:2, 4:3 or 16:9 matters less because video and games should not be the deciding factor on a smartphone.

You went from "some" over "pretty much every one" to "every other phone" in less than an hour - i admire your consistency.

Yeah... I don't know which functions Apple thinks its users will use their phones for primarily.

We know 16:9 will be better for movies and widescreen Youtube videos.

But I don't really browse a lot of websites in landscape mode. If I must browse the web... it's usually in an emergency... or I bookmark all my favorite sites' mobile website.

LOL @ my consistency. But you get the idea. There are only a few phones that AREN'T 16:9 today.

16:9 has become the "norm"

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The point you 16:9 advocates conveniently leave out of your argument is that a 4" 16:9 screen is pathetically small. Sure it's great on 4.3" and up, but it's nearly worthless on a 2" wide (in portrait) screen. No other high-end smartphone has a 16:9 4" screen.

At best, it's a half-arse attempt by Apple to joint the 4" screen crowd... long after they've all gone 4.3" and up.

Yep... Apple is finally reaching a screen size 2 years after other phones already had them.

Apple is Doomed™

 

[RodThePlod]

I'm not sure what part of "I'm not concerned that you disagreed, I'm bothered by your attitude" you don't understand. Either way, I'm sure you see what I mean. You don't have to admit it.

On the contrary my friend, I don't see what you mean. As mentioned, I used a smilie. Whoop-de-woo.

Anyone looking back through our exchanges, will see your posts as the ones which reek of attitude. You are the one throwing insults, remember?

In short, worry about your own online attitude before being bothered about mine.

Good luck!

RTP.

 

[cycomiko]

Do you know for sure they didn't thought about this? The company that has built its success on interface design and user experience forgot to think its most successful product has 2 view modes?

PErhaps apple will control how people create webpages?

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How do all those other phones with 16:9 screen display web pages?

Like garbage, on cheap phones, with a garbage OS.

Should Apple be like all of those android phones?

Never mind 720p phones, such as those becoming more common in the android world, have 80pixels more to play with than the iphone.

 

[Geckotek]

The fact that the white iphone 5 body pics I have seen look plastic. There are no milling marks or the like and every piece is pure white. I don't think they would be spray painting the metal.

The back was silver in the middle with white on top and bottom.

Edit: here ya go.

http://sharpdaily.com.tw/m/article/issueid/20120808/artid/34424209/secid/2959717/audio/1/

 

[Geckotek]

You've never used an Android device before.

I have and setting up an Exchange Activesync account was the most convoluted thing I've ever seen. They really should have paid attention to Apple's EAS implementation.

 

[Zunjine]

On the contrary my friend, I don't see what you mean. As mentioned, I used a smilie. Whoop-de-woo.

Anyone looking back through our exchanges, will see your posts as the ones which reek of attitude. You are the one throwing insults, remember?

In short, worry about your own online attitude before being bothered about mine.

Good luck!

RTP.

Tu quoque.

 

[illpod.com]

looks like the iPhone 5 screen will attach to the rest of the case in a different way from the iPhone 4 and 4s. Hopefully this will make the touch screen glass less liable to breakage.

 

[AbSoluTc]

The back was silver in the middle with white on top and bottom.

Edit: here ya go.

http://sharpdaily.com.tw/m/article/issueid/20120808/artid/34424209/secid/2959717/audio/1/

I fouled up. Lol. I was looking at this picture - http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/08/front.jpg

Seems the front has/is plastic behind the glass.

 

[kaess]

Anybody else notice that there's a difference between this screen and the screen that Macotakara claimed was from the new iPhone? They look almost identical, except that the tiny hole near the ear piece is in different locations. On the ubreakifix one, the hole is next to the ear piece and appears to be larger, while the Macotakara one has the hole next to the facetime camera. If anything, I think this inconsistency might mean that at least on of these are fake.

 

[Geckotek]

Anybody else notice that there's a difference between this screen and the screen that Macotakara claimed was from the new iPhone? They look almost identical, except that the tiny hole near the ear piece is in different locations. On the ubreakifix one, the hole is next to the ear piece and appears to be larger, while the Macotakara one has the hole next to the facetime camera. If anything, I think this inconsistency might mean that at least on of these are fake.

Less likely fake...why would anybody manufacture a fake one? More likely pre-production parts.