And how long do you think it will be before 4K content is readily available? A few years? Maybe more? So buy a tv today for that? It will be obsolete before it is ever used.
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And how long do you think it will be before 4K content is readily available? A few years? Maybe more? So buy a tv today for that? It will be obsolete before it is ever used.
I think getting into the business of making TVs would be a big mistake for Apple. There is demand for a wide array of sizes and features, while Apple would likely only offer two or three configurations at the most. Margins are razor-thin. And some of the best products are made by companies that Apple would have to compete with at the same time as being supplied by them. And when it comes to TVs, the display is a much more significant part of the cost than anything else Apple makes, with the exception of the Cinema/Thunderbolt display, which is widely criticized as being overpriced. In addition, the product life cycle is longer for a TV than it is for most of what Apple sells.
I just don't see how Apple can make a big enough dent in this market to justify the huge cost of developing such a product.
I just don't see how Apple can make a big enough dent in this market to justify the huge cost of developing such a product.
I think it really boils down to this: How good is it going to be? If it's good enough, I think that as long as Apple has a decent range of sizes, even if few in number, people will buy it. The sizes may not be exactly what they want, but if they play their cards right, it'll be close enough for most people.
EDIT: Perhaps 30'' 40'' and 50''?
768 @5x 3848, @6x 4608.
There's gonna be those original 2008 apps that some people want to play on iDisplay. You know, like the Mac users still using Mac OS 9 in Classic mode.
We just need the graphics power in Apple's new iDisplay to handle that output. I wouldn't expect a 4Kish iDisplay until late '14 at the earliest, most likely '15.
We'll be enjoying Apple's 1536p iDisplay within the year and the 50% better 2304p/100% better 3072p model in late '13/early '14 until then.
They're not going to try to compete for razor-thin margins.
Apple has to transform the market to get the margins it wants. The big question is, what is the TV from Apple going to do that the existing Apple TV and other network streamers can't do? Why do I need to replace my current TV, that big, expensive thing that has a great 1080p picture, with a premium-priced TV from Apple? Why does it have to be an actual TV? Will the need to rent a DVR or use Tivo or Windows Media Center remain, or will the TV from Apple be able to use a network CableCARD tuner like my HD HomeRun Prime (no monthly fees beyond CableCARD rental) and somehow provide DVR capabilities, which would be totally awesome and give me a reason to consider Apple's TV? Will it be able to play other content on my network, such as the DVD rips and MKVs on my PC, and use the Blu-Ray drive in my PC? Basically all the things I want it to do could be done with the existing Apple TV or other small, cheap network streamer, though no one to date has fully stepped up to the challenge. The point is, you don't need to slap a physical TV around it to make these things work.
I'm not sure the margins are there. Sure, apple can try and create them, but then you're almost looking at competing with Loewe and maybe B&O.
this is a potentially big risk for Apple, but they must be certain of the value they can bring to be pushing forward with it. I'm very curious about what they come up with.
Although in this case one size won't fit all - US market will demand much larger screens than Europe and Asia will be comfortable with.
this is a potentially big risk for Apple, but they must be certain of the value they can bring to be pushing forward with it. I'm very curious about what they come up with.
Although in this case one size won't fit all - US market will demand much larger screens than Europe and Asia will be comfortable with.
I think this is a bit more probable than a smaller iPad. Start believing in it now.
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it's hard to see with your head stuck in the sand.
also, what would be the point in a "built in" apple TV? next time do your research.
I'm not too sure this would actually happen as they just released an updated version of the Apple TV box but then again with Cook behind the wheel we might get another surprise like Mountain Lion early on.
I'd love to dream about the possibilities such as being able to use the remote app to control my TV entirely and such things but I just don't see this going anywhere right now. It really would suck if they released this because I actually just bought a Samsung TV I love and would hate for Apple to one-up me and loose money.
I'd love to dream about the possibilities such as being able to use the remote app to control my TV entirely and such things but I just don't see this going anywhere right now. It really would suck if they released this because I actually just bought a Samsung TV I love and would hate for Apple to one-up me and loose money.
you are so wrong!
Nope
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Research? It's all about guesses, from some 'analyst' and anyone else that cares to. You're guess just happens to be wrong, it's not gonna happen, move on.
LOL!
Or he plugged in through composite cable... You know the "yellow" one... in glorious stereo!
Oh, you're back again with the same old post, PiP again and again and again and again, boring.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14108629#post14108629
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14072709#post14072709
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14072709#post14072709
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=13983887#post13983887
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=13975280#post13975280
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=13965844#post13965844
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=13940829#post13940829
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=13903329#post13903329
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=13257615#post13257615
And so on ...............
Edit : What the eff is FULL PiP, isn't that the same as just switching to a different input(DVB-T), as you imply????
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A 50" display is "retina" at ~7-8 feet. I personally have a 50" display in my apartment about 8 feet away from my couch. I cannot discern the pixels. As of my last visit with the eye doctor, I have "20/13" vision (meaning what an average person can discern at 13 feet, I can discern at 20). Unless your TV isn't natively 1080, you're not seeing individual pixels from 15 feet away.
With that said, one can resolve finer details when there are extremes in contrast involved. So you would likely be able to see a single white pixel on a black screen. But when it comes to actual images, your eyes won't be able to resolve any extra detail. It is simply beyond human capabilities. I didn't do the math for 720p, but I think even that would be "retina" (per Apple's definition) at 15 feet.
Now for those who were "blown away" by 4k demos... without seeing the displays in person, I would guess that much of the difference stems from simply having a better display. An IPS will look better than a TN regardless of resolution (to a point). The quadrupling of pixels might also allow them to employ some more complex enhancement techniques. But I cannot imagine being able to tell the difference between a 1080p and 2160p video on the same display with no enhancements.
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Apple will have to go something to beat designs like this. I hope they can!
What about this one...
itv? never.
i have an apple tv 2, and for just $99 i will replace it with the apple tv 3 in a week without thinking. and for that price i would have no problem upgrading it every other year.
now think of a 50something inch $1000+ tv, i will not be upgrading this every year apple releases new hardware.
i have an apple tv 2, and for just $99 i will replace it with the apple tv 3 in a week without thinking. and for that price i would have no problem upgrading it every other year.
now think of a 50something inch $1000+ tv, i will not be upgrading this every year apple releases new hardware.
That doesn't make him wrong. You can see the pixels if you have a huge enough screen or you're sitting too close, so some people would benefit from higher resolution. Other people will throw away money for extra pixels they can't see - you don't think companies sell products with higher specs whether those specs provide any real world benefit or not?
I don't mean to call you a liar but...OK, maybe I do.
But TV is different in that you can get the same functionality from connecting a box to a TV of your choice, there's no real advantage to selling a TV with those features built in.
Has anyone seen the announcement Mercedes made about iPhone / Siri integration into the new A-class? It sounds a bit like an enhanced iPhone interface, but could provide some hints as to where Apple is going with the TV concept. Will the set really have Siri "built in" or will it come with an iPod touch type remote with optional support for iPhone.
On the Mercedes side, this kind of integration isn't new. Years ago, third party developers have managed to hack into the fiber optic network for Mercedes audio systems to gain access to iPod content, with steering wheel controls. Generalizing, this could represent a whole new expansion of Apple integration into other products.
The future has finally arrived. At least, that's what Mercedes and Apple would like you to think when introduce the Siri-centric A-Class next month at the Geneva Motor Show. The car, which will feature Mercedes new COMAND infotainment system, will show off the new dashboard that centers on the Apple iPhone 4S.
Yes, Siri will be there to talk to you while you drive your new car. You can make appointments, call and text someone while you are driving. As cool as this may seem, the feature will only be in the A-Class' Europe market for now, but Mercedes-benz said that this system is coming to the B-Class, C-Class and E-Class real soon.
http://mbworld.org/features/benzins...um=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=
On the Mercedes side, this kind of integration isn't new. Years ago, third party developers have managed to hack into the fiber optic network for Mercedes audio systems to gain access to iPod content, with steering wheel controls. Generalizing, this could represent a whole new expansion of Apple integration into other products.
The future has finally arrived. At least, that's what Mercedes and Apple would like you to think when introduce the Siri-centric A-Class next month at the Geneva Motor Show. The car, which will feature Mercedes new COMAND infotainment system, will show off the new dashboard that centers on the Apple iPhone 4S.
Yes, Siri will be there to talk to you while you drive your new car. You can make appointments, call and text someone while you are driving. As cool as this may seem, the feature will only be in the A-Class' Europe market for now, but Mercedes-benz said that this system is coming to the B-Class, C-Class and E-Class real soon.
http://mbworld.org/features/benzins...um=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=