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Concerns of iPhone 3GS Overheating and Discoloration Gaining Publicity

Lanbrown said:
Actually they do,
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how about this:
On July 4th, Symbian had nearly 44% of total mobile traffic worldwide.
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So what is your source for the misinformation about apps and data usage?
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That very same statistic is the source of my "misinformation".

Nokia has sold, what, 100X more phones total? And over 5X more smartphones? Then why is that 44% of traffic less than 2X greater than Apple's share? Why not 5X or 100X greater mobile traffic, proportionate with Nokia's unit sales?

Why not?

As an app developer, I would like to see the statistics that say a generic app for Nokia's phones (which requires a lot more lines of code and a lot more costs to certify for Nokia's entire product line), is likely to sell at least 5X more units to those 5X to 100X more Nokia customers compared to the same type of app developed for the iTunes App store.

Show me those app sales stats.
 
LagunaSol said:
Which is why MS is scrambling to get 7 out the door and put Vista behind them?



And I'm hoping it stays that way, thanks. I'm enjoying malware-free computing.

Enterprise is so yesteryear...
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Scrambling?
Vista was release November 2006 and to the consumer December.
Its 3 years old
Windows 95
Windows 98
Xp 2001
Vista 2006
Win 7 2009
XP had a longer life but it seems MS has 3 year OS
 
Lanbrown said:
You have provided nothing. Apple has built-in that the phone will not work. I can heavily use mine and NEVER had an issue for hours and hours at a time.
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Lanbrown what phone are you even comparing the 3GS to?? and why do you cosistantly decide not to understand points made in this thread and keep up the same argument for no appearant reason?

I had a Nokia 8210 8 years ago.. it never overheated either.
 
manu chao said:
The iPhone's primary purpose is certainly not be used as a dash-mounted GPS navigation device. Or would you say that any smartphone that cannot be used as a dash-mounted navigation device is not a viable product?
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Then if that is the case, they shouldn't advertise or allow applications to leverage existing hardware to execute those type of processes. Dont make the application available and then make excuses when it doesn't operate to everyone's expectations.
 
What about the 3G?

What I don't understand is why there is no mention of the iPhone 3G? Mine heats up like an oven with very light use. This occurred only after the iPhone OS 3.0 upgrade, which leads me to believe this is a *software* issue.

The other point of concern is that Apple is *blaming* the end user for this overheating issue. This is appalling to say the least...
 
Draft said:
The other point of concern is that Apple is *blaming* the end user for this overheating issue. This is appalling to say the least...
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You're wrong, Apple haven't made an official statement what's to blame. The haters are just pointing to an updated service document and ignoring the fact that people with defects will get replacements.
 
Lanbrown said:
I have used an iPhone and think of it as a toy. There are too many limitations in it that have been STANDARD in other phones for YEARS. Apple also controls what applications can be sold and where you can buy them.

So where is Java and Flash on the iPhone? Apple has decided that you don't need it.

The Nokia links show a battery recall. Apple has never had a battery recall, have they? Of course not. There are not many companies that make batteries; so companies like Apple, Nokia, Dell, Palm, etc. all rely on a third-party to produce them.
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what limitations?
running apps in background? in the iphone you shut down one app and start another faster than other phones..so there's no problem for me in that point
only 3megapixel camera? i have a 12mpixel fuji and only use 6m..the important is the lens and not the mega-pixel in it.
i have a nokia n73. slow as hell. once you put media and apps in it....it sllooowwss down. symbian sucks. it shuts down and overheat as well.
app store? fantastic. theres nothing to say.

so what are the good points to nokia?
slow processor?
less ram?
slow and crappy OS.
ok..better camera. but once you take a photo it takes years to open the pic!!! and zoom-in???? so slllooowwwww
the browser??? dont compare nokia browser to safari in the iphone..
JAVA and FLASH? you buy a phone because it runs JAVA and FLASH??
better apps??? i dont think so.

now.. Sony Ericsson its other story. and even them are slower than th iphone
 
MH01 said:
Do you actually find any fault with the iphone?
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Not really. It could be a bit faster I suppose. And the OS 3.0 update has broken all the speed-dialing apps (for now.) It now takes an extra touch to call out. In fact, I would have liked something like the "Smart Dial" app from Apple as a standard feature, but I've found a workaround in the meantime that I might actually stick with. Other than that, there's really nothing wrong with it and it certainly deserves all the praise it's been getting.

iPhone marketing division? Nope. I just happen to agree with the majority opinion about the iPhone.
 
DudeAlmighty said:
again: "We haven't heard many other reports of a similar nature"
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Also I can't find any source where apple has directly blamed these problems on the weather. All they have done is list that weather can be a factor if you find your phone is becoming overheated. I have yet to hear about any user who haven't been able to return their phone if it becomes way hotter then it should or have gotten full support. Until there are more facts about this matter it's ignorant to draw conclusions.
 
Lanbrown said:
Nokia/Symbian has sold hundreds of millions of handsets. Where is Flash and Java on the iPhone? I have both on my phone. I have had copy and paste for years, MMS for years, been able to tether (legally) for years, have had a browser for years, have had HTML email for years, have had GPS with true navigation for years, SIP VoIP for years (built-in too), FM Radio for years, being able to edit Office documents for years (built-in too), WLAN for years (all features can be used over WLAN or the mobile network), Voice recorder, voice commands for years, video recording for years, being able to watch and play music/videos for years, being able to select any sound file as a ringtone for years (no hacks or addition ringtone purchase required) and the list can go on and on. Just as Apple releases video recording, you have people like Samsung releasing the Omnia HD which can record in 720P. When the original iPhone was released; 3G phone were available for a few years. When Apple released iPhone 3G, 7.2Mbps phones have been available as well. Want to take a guess about LTE, Apple will be about two-years behind the rest of the major players.

There is no need for anyone to take potshots at the iPhone; it's features do that. What Apple considers "new" is old to the rest of the civilized world.

Care to show me a phone that has heat issues like the iPhone, one that will only let you make emergency calls when it gets hot?

Hate to break the news to you, but Apple has to license technology from companies like Nokia. Nokia has a lot of IP when it comes to GSM, WCDMA and LTE.
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So, why don't you be an active poster in the Symbian forums and let us be... why flame?
 
DudeAlmighty said:
Also I can't find any source where apple has directly blamed these problems on the weather. All they have done is list that weather can be a factor if you find your phone is becoming overheated. I have yet to hear about any user who haven't been able to return their phone if it becomes way hotter then it should or have gotten full support. Until there are more facts about this matter it's ignorant to draw conclusions.
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1 million+ iPhone 3GSes sold by now and there is zero evidence of a mass recall or of people lining up to return them a la Blackberry Storm.

Again, it's the natural Apple-related FUD that comes as a by-product of media and consumer frenzy. Apple products get all the glory and attention in our generation (that is, from Steve Jobs' return to Apple in the late 90s to the present day), and as a result the company's products are under a microscope all the time. The slightest hiccup and it's all over the news, blogosphere, message boards.

Palm Pres and screen cracking?? Quickly forgotten. Are people even talking about the Pre? All the buzz lasted about a week. But the iPhone craze continues, and will carry over to the iPod Touch craze that is about to ramp up in July when new models are introduced.
 
DudeAlmighty said:
Lanbrown what phone are you even comparing the 3GS to?? and why do you cosistantly decide not to understand points made in this thread and keep up the same argument for no appearant reason?

I had a Nokia 8210 8 years ago.. it never overheated either.
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It doesn't matter what the phone is. The iPhone was outdated when it was released. 3G phones were available since 2005!!!!!!!

MMS is part of the GSM release '97. Care to guess what the '97 represents? Apple couldn't even figure out how to implement technology that was a decade old and implemented by every other manufacturer.

The iPhone 3G was outdated when it arrived. 7.2Mbps HSDPA phones were available before the iPhone 3G even hit the shelves.

The iPhone 3GS is still outdated and any "new" feature that they introduced with it, has been on other phone for at a year!!!!!!!

What points? They were Apple to Oranges comparisons. Apple has issued an advisory!!!!!!!! If my phone doesn't overheat and it has twice the CPU cores, plus two DSP's, then why does the iPhone have an issue? The answer, it is a poorly designed product. The iPhone 3G was also under-clocked; I wonder why. The smaller manufacturing process for the CPU has done little to resolve the advisory.

*LTD* said:
1 million+ iPhone 3GSes sold by now and there is zero evidence of a mass recall or of people lining up to return them a la Blackberry Storm.
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Apple and a recall does not happen very fast; that goes for pretty much any company.

alexacker said:
So, why don't you be an active poster in the Symbian forums and let us be... why flame?
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How is it a flame when it is true? If the truth hurts, then so be it. I am an active poster, but you have the iPhonies coming over there promoting their wonderful outdated technology they purchased and drank the Kool-Aid on.

budidi said:
what limitations?
running apps in background? in the iphone you shut down one app and start another faster than other phones..so there's no problem for me in that point
only 3megapixel camera? i have a 12mpixel fuji and only use 6m..the important is the lens and not the mega-pixel in it.
i have a nokia n73. slow as hell. once you put media and apps in it....it sllooowwss down. symbian sucks. it shuts down and overheat as well.
app store? fantastic. theres nothing to say.

so what are the good points to nokia?
slow processor?
less ram?
slow and crappy OS.
ok..better camera. but once you take a photo it takes years to open the pic!!! and zoom-in???? so slllooowwwww
the browser??? dont compare nokia browser to safari in the iphone..
JAVA and FLASH? you buy a phone because it runs JAVA and FLASH??
better apps??? i dont think so.

now.. Sony Ericsson its other story. and even them are slower than th iphone
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I guess no multi-tasking isn't a drawback. Multi-tasking has been around for how long and the iPhone doesn't support it. That sounds "crappy" to me.

Maybe in 4.0 Apple will invent multi-tasking. Nokia uses a processor with a slower main clock, but it makes up for it as it has other cores to handle other functions. Most of their phones have a DSP and an ARM core just for GSM base-band functions. So when you are sending/receiving or on the phone, the main CPU has noting to do with it. In the iPhone it has to handle that communication. Then the main CPU also has a dedicated DSP for itself as well plus a GPU.

Try going to a site that has Java on your phone and how well does that work for you? Java also opens up the use of even more apps.

Taking a pic and zooming on my phone is fast. I have been able to record videos for years now. Something "new" to the iPhone crowd. Face it, the iPhone has a lackluster feature set.

How can you not compare the Nokia browser to the iPhone; they are both based of KHTML; look at the User Agent strings.

Less RAM. How much did the iPhone and Iphone 3G have?
 
Lanbrown said:
It doesn't matter what the phone is. The iPhone was outdated when it was released. 3G phones were available since 2005!!!!!!!

MMS is part of the GSM release '97. Care to guess what the '97 represents? Apple couldn't even figure out how to implement technology that was a decade old and implemented by every other manufacturer.

The iPhone 3G was outdated when it arrived. 7.2Mbps HSDPA phones were available before the iPhone 3G even hit the shelves.

The iPhone 3GS is still outdated and any "new" feature that they introduced with it, has been on other phone for at a year!!!!!!!

What points? They were Apple to Oranges comparisons. Apple has issued an advisory!!!!!!!! If my phone doesn't overheat and it has twice the CPU cores, plus two DSP's, then why does the iPhone have an issue? The answer, it is a poorly designed product. The iPhone 3G was also under-clocked; I wonder why. The smaller manufacturing process for the CPU has done little to resolve the advisory.



Apple and a recall does not happen very fast; that goes for pretty much any company.
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so you still avoid to answer any questions and put any relevance behind your words.
 
DudeAlmighty said:
so you still avoid to answer any questions and put any relevance behind your words.
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Nope, you are just too blind to see then real truth. The iPhone is nothing magical and has old technology to it. Apple is the one that has issued an advisory.

What have you shown in this thread? Nada

dangleheart said:
Now wait a second Lanbrown, I grant that whatever you say about Nokia is true. On the other hand, how many incidents of the temperature warning indication that had been reported with 2G and 3G phones that you know off? ( not 3GS, it is too new ). And how does that compare to Nokia devices shutting down due to heat? I bet the numbers are all noise in both cases.

Nokia clearly says that IF the battery temperature goes up beyond a certain limit, they WILL temporarily shutdown the device until it cools down. Whether it happened to you or not is immaterial. Nokia has built in that protection in their phones. So has Apple. That IS a wise hardware design on the part of both Apple and Nokia. Apple goes one step further and allow you to operate the device at minimal levels. So I do not understand how in the face of what they say in the Nokia user document you can claim that 'Nokia has not put in any restrictions'. It is so openly there in the Nokia User guide.
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We are talking about phones, not the battery. The iPhone is shutting down when hot, not because of the battery.

firewood said:
That very same statistic is the source of my "misinformation".

Nokia has sold, what, 100X more phones total? And over 5X more smartphones? Then why is that 44% of traffic less than 2X greater than Apple's share? Why not 5X or 100X greater mobile traffic, proportionate with Nokia's unit sales?

Why not?

As an app developer, I would like to see the statistics that say a generic app for Nokia's phones (which requires a lot more lines of code and a lot more costs to certify for Nokia's entire product line), is likely to sell at least 5X more units to those 5X to 100X more Nokia customers compared to the same type of app developed for the iTunes App store.

Show me those app sales stats.
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You don't understand anything but you own little world. In many countries, the price of a data plan is quite high. So people use their data much more sparingly because of it. Most of the iPhones sold are in the US where an unlimited data plan is not all that expensive. If you go by OS, the iPod Touch is included. So not a true comparison at all as you have a non-phone device being included. On a worldwide scale, Symbian users generate more traffic.

As for app stores for other platforms. There are many places to buy apps, so one cannot just go and get numbers. You can buy/download from the developers site, sites like Handango, sourceforge, versiontracker, forums, manufacturer, carriers, etc. Apple has pulled apps from their store because they don't like the app. Apple is policing what is available rather than letting the consumer decide. This is not an issue for other platforms as you are not locked to a single source. Most of the apps in the Apple store are low grade apps or games. Just recently did ooice apps become available; something I have used for many years. I also didn't have to pat for it, it was included, same for a GPS app.

You can self-sign apps, so your point about certifying is totally inaccurate. Even unsigned apps can be installed; the only time an app needs to be signed is when it wants to get to certain parts of the API.

More lines of code is not necessarily a bad thing. It means that someone needs to have some programming knowledge and that means better quality apps; than someone that knows hardly anything and making an app available.
 
Lanbrown said:
Nope, you are just too blind to see then real truth. The iPhone is nothing magical and has old technology to it. Apple is the one that has issued an advisory.



We are talking about phones, not the battery. The iPhone is shutting down when hot, not because of the battery.
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Funny. I'm nor blind nor do I have trouble seeing any kind of "truth". You assume way too much and can't answer a simple question like what phone you are using?


You are making irrelevant statements and draw conclusions about the phone which are not true but you are entitled to your opinions, You just do not come off as very believable when you can't even tell what your comparrison is.
 
Question for everybody.

Do we really know the iPhone is overheating? How many readers here have actually seen that screen for themselves?

As for the one commenter saying his iPhone 3G overheats after installing OS 3.0, why doesn't mine? I use it pretty heavily for a lot of thing, including an ebook reader, twitter, email, etc., etc... I'll grant mine is anecdotal, but apparently that one is too; assuming it's true.

As for the discolored white housings--anyone read where the discoloration is dye off the third-party protective coverings people are putting them in? Dyed leather, especially if it gets damp (say, somebody sweating in hot weather?) may bleed some of that dye onto whatever it holds. A red case would leave a pink stain--a brown case? Hmmm... Ok, so it 'looks' burnt, but is it really? Maybe not.

My opinion--big deal out of nothing. Somebody trying to damage Apple's reputation because it has become a dominant figure in the smart phone market and elsewhere.
 
Bubba Satori said:
It's Bush's fault. :D
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No... i believe it's the fault of a pink silicon case like this one:

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iPhone Overheats

We have heard of a number of instances in which the iPhone 3GS gets extremely hot, permanently discolors, and becomes uncomfortable to hold against the user's skin. There are also numerous consumer complaints regarding premature battery failure due to excessive heat.

If you have experienced these problems, contact us at the email address below or visit us at : http://www.nfcounsel.com/currentinvestigations/iphone3gsoverheats.html

Jeffrey S. Feinberg, Esq.

Nackman & Feinberg LLP
Attorneys at Law
110 Wall Street
11th Floor
New York, New York 10005

ph. 212.748.4800
fax 646.417.7890
email to: jfeinberg@nfcounsel.com
 
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