Concerns of iPhone 3GS Overheating and Discoloration Gaining Publicity

[kurosov]

I guess ambulance chasing has become passé...

Yep, seems the parasites have started to show up.

I'd go on that site and mention i have no problems at all with my white 3gs bt then they'd probably use my submission in a general x complaints statistic.

 

[alexacker]

It doesn't matter what the phone is. The iPhone was outdated when it was released. 3G phones were available since 2005!!!!!!!

MMS is part of the GSM release '97. Care to guess what the '97 represents? Apple couldn't even figure out how to implement technology that was a decade old and implemented by every other manufacturer.

The iPhone 3G was outdated when it arrived. 7.2Mbps HSDPA phones were available before the iPhone 3G even hit the shelves.

The iPhone 3GS is still outdated and any "new" feature that they introduced with it, has been on other phone for at a year!!!!!!!

What points? They were Apple to Oranges comparisons. Apple has issued an advisory!!!!!!!! If my phone doesn't overheat and it has twice the CPU cores, plus two DSP's, then why does the iPhone have an issue? The answer, it is a poorly designed product. The iPhone 3G was also under-clocked; I wonder why. The smaller manufacturing process for the CPU has done little to resolve the advisory.



Apple and a recall does not happen very fast; that goes for pretty much any company.




How is it a flame when it is true? If the truth hurts, then so be it. I am an active poster, but you have the iPhonies coming over there promoting their wonderful outdated technology they purchased and drank the Kool-Aid on.



I guess no multi-tasking isn't a drawback. Multi-tasking has been around for how long and the iPhone doesn't support it. That sounds "crappy" to me.

Maybe in 4.0 Apple will invent multi-tasking. Nokia uses a processor with a slower main clock, but it makes up for it as it has other cores to handle other functions. Most of their phones have a DSP and an ARM core just for GSM base-band functions. So when you are sending/receiving or on the phone, the main CPU has noting to do with it. In the iPhone it has to handle that communication. Then the main CPU also has a dedicated DSP for itself as well plus a GPU.

Try going to a site that has Java on your phone and how well does that work for you? Java also opens up the use of even more apps.

Taking a pic and zooming on my phone is fast. I have been able to record videos for years now. Something "new" to the iPhone crowd. Face it, the iPhone has a lackluster feature set.

How can you not compare the Nokia browser to the iPhone; they are both based of KHTML; look at the User Agent strings.

Less RAM. How much did the iPhone and Iphone 3G have?

What's your agenda here? Or, do you just have no life for such long, winded responses? And, why are so hostile? You're posting at MACRUMORS not NOKIARUMORS. Don't you think people here are Apple brand ambassadors?

 

[alexacker]

We have heard of a number of instances in which the iPhone 3GS gets extremely hot, permanently discolors, and becomes uncomfortable to hold against the user's skin. There are also numerous consumer complaints regarding premature battery failure due to excessive heat.

If you have experienced these problems, contact us at the email address below or visit us at : http://www.nfcounsel.com/currentinvestigations/iphone3gsoverheats.html

Jeffrey S. Feinberg, Esq.

Nackman & Feinberg LLP
Attorneys at Law
110 Wall Street
11th Floor
New York, New York 10005

ph. 212.748.4800
fax 646.417.7890
email to: jfeinberg@nfcounsel.com

How about this: if you have a problem, exchange it with Apple. There, problem solved.

I guess lawyers have resulted to trolling blogs for greedy customers.

 

[ripkord]

Glad I still have my 3G

 

[yiqinuk]

Nobody is trying to damage Apple's reputation. As a handset chip design engineer myslef, this overheating issue is not a surprise at all. Furthermore, overheating problem is for every single 3G handset Manufactures. It is mainly cause by high data rate services the 3G phone supported. I do not believe overheating problem is a isolated cases. I am sure you will see more and more coming out. Nokia and some other major handset manufactures are trying hard to overcome the problem created by the low efficiency PA chip. (in 2G or GSM low data rate services, PA chip running in a much higher efficiency mode). Due to the bandwidth it supported, PA has to back down to a very inefficient mode in order to cope with quality of the signal.
The over heating problem is there. Apple should face it and do not blame weather or something else.

 

[*LTD*]

Nobody is trying to damage Apple's reputation. As a handset chip design engineer myslef, this overheating issue is not a surprise at all. Furthermore, overheating problem is for every single 3G handset Manufactures. It is mainly cause by high data rate services the 3G phone supported. I do not believe overheating problem is a isolated cases. I am sure you will see more and more coming out. Nokia and some other major handset manufactures are trying hard to overcome the problem created by the low efficiency PA chip. (in 2G or GSM low data rate services, PA chip running in a much higher efficiency mode). Due to the bandwidth it supported, PA has to back down to a very inefficient mode in order to cope with quality of the signal.
The over heating problem is there. Apple should face it and do not blame weather or something else.

There is a substantial difference between a phone that normally runs warm or even hot under heavy load, and a phone that is so hot that it is rendered unusable or becomes physically damaged in some way. "Overheating" means that the device in question is undergoing the kind of stress or pressure that is beyond its tolerances, resulting in damage or rendering the unit inoperative. That certainly isn't normal. As a "handset chip designer" I expect you can distinguish between the two.

Apple doesn't need to face what is already under control or what doesn't exist with their product in the first place. There haven't been any widespread reports of iPhone 3Gs or 3GSes that have been damaged or otherwise rendered unusable due to extreme heat. Not yet, at least.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

There is a substantial difference between a phone that normally runs warm or even hot under heavy load, and a phone that is so hot that it is rendered unusable or becomes physically damaged in some way. "Overheating" means that the device in question is undergoing the kind of stress or pressure that is beyond its tolerances, resulting in damage or rendering the unit inoperative. That certainly isn't normal. As a "handset chip designer" I expect you can distinguish between the two.

Apple doesn't need to face what is already under control or what doesn't exist with their product in the first place. There haven't been any widespread reports of iPhone 3Gs or 3GSes that have been damaged or otherwise rendered unusable due to extreme heat. Not yet, at least.

I've said this about their laptops and desktops - they need to ruthlessly test their hardware, maxing their hardware out at peak stress for hours on end - putting them through processor loads that the average person would never put their computer under.

This stupid thin fetish is screwing up their hardware; their first focus should be on reliability instead of listening to idiots on websites like this having double orgasms over the fact that its less than 1inch or how the fact that it is 0.0009 pounds lighter is so important.

Reliability should be the first and last measure of any device; then it is up to the designer to put a case around it - and when whiners on here complain about the fact that it is 0.000001 pounds heavier, Apple should simply state that they value reliability above pandering to the noisy whiners of the world.

 

[numediaman]

Apple doesn't need to face what is already under control or what doesn't exist with their product in the first place. There haven't been any widespread reports of iPhone 3Gs or 3GSes that have been damaged or otherwise rendered unusable due to extreme heat. Not yet, at least.

Simple rule: don't feed the trolls. If someone has signed up for a site recently, and their first posts are complaints, there is a very good . . . very, very good . . . chance they are a troll.

Anyone new to iPhone, or Macs for that matter, who has a problem would go to the Apple site, or go to an Apple store to work things out.

If they come here to write posts you know they have an agenda.

I've been an Apple customer since 1982, and I have had complaints. But you know there is a reason why Apple ranks high in customer satisfaction -- its called customer service. And MacRumors, contrary to what some believe, is not the Apple customer service hotline.

 

[LagunaSol]

This stupid thin fetish is screwing up their hardware

I agree, and not just for reliability sake. Imagine how much usable the iPhone would be if they had, say, doubled the thickness of the battery. The resulting increase to the thickness of the overall device would be inconsequential to most people, but the gripes about battery life would become far more muted.

Thin is great, but not when it creates too much compromise.

 

[yiqinuk]

Apple doesn't need to face what is already under control or what doesn't exist with their product in the first place. There haven't been any widespread reports of iPhone 3Gs or 3GSes that have been damaged or otherwise rendered unusable due to extreme heat. Not yet, at least.

There are many problems can be caused by over heating. Shorten the battery life, poor signal quality, etc. damaging the device is the worse case. I am sure Apple does not want to hear people complain about dropping calls after long talk. I am talking about unreliable but unusable. 3G signal is not very extreme compare with what coming next like (HSUPA, LTE..). The worse to come when broadband services coming into life. As a big player in the handset market, (at least it is becoming) Apple should have a longer vision of the problems.

 

[jeyf]

my new 3gs iphone over heated twice. i can say:

-i do not have any applications in the iphone other than what came with
-phone in my pants pocket at my office, not a hot environment,


the 3gs thingy just over heats and the main bad is the battery life is greatly reduced afterwords. i had a pda back in the 90's didnt over heat and had voice gps, only bad it was microsoft.

i was one of the first in denver to have a 3gs and a week later due to the over heating the apple store replaced the phone and said early production lots were problematic. the new one seems stable, wonder at what cost tho? reduced rf reception, slower processor speeds?

 

[kurosov]

-phone in my pants pocket at my office, not a hot environment,

Depends on who works at the office.

 

[Warbrain]

my new 3gs iphone over heated twice. i can say:

-i do not have any applications in the iphone other than what came with
-phone in my pants pocket at my office, not a hot environment,


the 3gs thingy just over heats and the main bad is the battery life is greatly reduced afterwords. i had a pda back in the 90's didnt over heat and had voice gps, only bad it was microsoft.

i was one of the first in denver to have a 3gs and a week later due to the over heating the apple store replaced the phone and said early production lots were problematic. the new one seems stable, wonder at what cost tho? reduced rf reception, slower processor speeds?

"3gs thingy"? Sounds like a troll. And you're saying that there will be costs in a replacement that isn't from the initial production? Even more trollish. And then to compare the 3GS to a PDA from the 90s? Dude, those things got hot, too. And they were slow as molasses. Troll to the nth degree.

 

[Lanbrown]

Funny. I'm nor blind nor do I have trouble seeing any kind of "truth". You assume way too much and can't answer a simple question like what phone you are using?


You are making irrelevant statements and draw conclusions about the phone which are not true but you are entitled to your opinions, You just do not come off as very believable when you can't even tell what your comparrison is.

I have more than one phone. All of which have more capabilities than the iPhone and do not have any limitations like the ones that Apple likes in impose. All of my phone have pretty much the same capabilities but a different form-factor. One size does not fit all; other manufacturers know this, even Apple knows this; hence why they have 13", 15" and 17" notebooks.

Look at any S60 3rd Edition. They have had more capabilities when they were introduced and some were before the iPhone ever hit the market or announced and they still have more capabilities than the latest iPhone has today. How hard is that to understand? I'm not talking about and particular phone, but a whole range and different price points and for different market segments.

Just wait for Apple to make some changes to the iPhone and see how well the current apps won't run. One of the reasons why developing for the iPhone is easier is because of the lack of variety; like screen resolution.

What happens if it turns out to be the battery? Apple recently recalled the Nano in South Korea because of the battery. WHen Nokia had a battery issue, it was easy for the consumer, take battery out, put new battery in. Not every consumer was impacted either. So Apple is not immune to battery issues either; they are made by a third-party. Apple will have a much harder time swapping batteries though.

And here we go.

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=8020630&posted=1#post8020630

That could just be rumor as well; using your logic here. Why is there an attorney forming a case against Apple? Sure some lawyers are ambulance chasers. So it will be interesting to see where this goes. I bet Apple settles out of court and my prediction, they say it was cheaper to settle than to fight it, but acknowledge no wrongdoing.

Now you are just thrashing. I am done.

Can't handle the truth.

What's your agenda here? Or, do you just have no life for such long, winded responses? And, why are so hostile? You're posting at MACRUMORS not NOKIARUMORS. Don't you think people here are Apple brand ambassadors?

iPhonies believe that Apple and the iPhoney is the best thing since sliced bread. I prefer to have currently technology not what has been done in the past.

Some believe that the iPhone was the first phone you could access the web on. Just to show you what Nokia has innovated and where the iPhone still falls short:
http://press.nokia.com/PR/199711/776601_5.html

http://www.businessweek.com/archives/1998/b3560046.arc.htm

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=879&view=1&c=nokia_9000_communicator

So, over 10 years before the iPhoney was released, a phone existed that had copy and paste, PIM, Internet access, etc. I guess Apple used old analog phones to get ideas for their design.

Nobody is trying to damage Apple's reputation. As a handset chip design engineer myslef, this overheating issue is not a surprise at all. Furthermore, overheating problem is for every single 3G handset Manufactures. It is mainly cause by high data rate services the 3G phone supported. I do not believe overheating problem is a isolated cases. I am sure you will see more and more coming out. Nokia and some other major handset manufactures are trying hard to overcome the problem created by the low efficiency PA chip. (in 2G or GSM low data rate services, PA chip running in a much higher efficiency mode). Due to the bandwidth it supported, PA has to back down to a very inefficient mode in order to cope with quality of the signal.
The over heating problem is there. Apple should face it and do not blame weather or something else.

Apple is the one that picks the components. Care to explain this:
Omnia HD:

HD ES 1.0: 1435 frames
HD ES 1.1: 1384 frames
PRO ES 1.0: 313 frames
PRO ES 1.1: 206 frames

CPU Performance: Float: 2691
CPU Performance: Integer: 19417

iPhone 3G S:

HD ES 1.0: 1791 Frames
HD ES 1.1: 1691 Frames
PRO ES 1.0: 774 Frames
PRO ES 1.1: 435 Frames

CPU Performance: Float: 2378
CPU Performance: Integer: 8920

Just for fun, a processor that Nokia used close to four years ago running at 330MHz:

GLBenchmark HD ES 1.0 : 2141 Frames
GLBenchmark HD ES 1.1 : 1904 Frames
GLBenchmark Pro ES 1.0 : 427 Frames
GLBenchmark Pro ES 1.1 : 564 Frames

CPU Performance
CPU Performance: Float : 1413
CPU Performance: Integer : 4257

Same 330MHz processor but with a much higher resolution screen; almost twice the resolution:
GLBenchmark HD ES 1.0 : 1899 Frames
GLBenchmark HD ES 1.1 : 1606 Frames
GLBenchmark Pro ES 1.0 : 386 Frames
GLBenchmark Pro ES 1.1 : 444 Frames

CPU Performance
CPU Performance: Float : 1409
CPU Performance: Integer : 4256

The Omnia has a higher resolution screen than the iPhone 3G S, so that explains the difference in the frames. But what about the processor specs, mainly the integer performance. That is a huge difference. CPU's in both phones are from Samsung, both are A8 Cortex ARM processors running at 600MHz. Did Apple hinder the phone through software or hardware?

There is a substantial difference between a phone that normally runs warm or even hot under heavy load, and a phone that is so hot that it is rendered unusable or becomes physically damaged in some way. "Overheating" means that the device in question is undergoing the kind of stress or pressure that is beyond its tolerances, resulting in damage or rendering the unit inoperative. That certainly isn't normal. As a "handset chip designer" I expect you can distinguish between the two.

Apple doesn't need to face what is already under control or what doesn't exist with their product in the first place. There haven't been any widespread reports of iPhone 3Gs or 3GSes that have been damaged or otherwise rendered unusable due to extreme heat. Not yet, at least.

As posted above, the CPU seems to have a huge performance issue compared to another phone with the same exact CPU. That means the iPhone 3G S has to work harder to accomplish the same task and take longer as well.

 

[Syonidism]

so much trolls....so little time...

I <3 my 3gs no overheat no discoloration. pure win.

bash in 3........2.........1......OH SHI-

 

[Takuta-Nui]

Even though the chances of it actually happening to me are very small, I'm rather glad I decided to go with a LG Dare when I needed a new cell this summer. Hope it lasts 3 years like my old cell did - by then the iPhone may have drastically reduced the risk of these incidents. One would hope, anyway.