Confirmation of the Verizon (CDMA) iPhone Manufacturer?

[usasalazar]

Yeah, right...

We consider The Wall Street Journal a reliable source for rumors, so place their predictions head of all the other conflicting reports. What's also telling of their accuracy is that the March 30th article also described the new iPhone as "thinner" with a faster processor. This report was well before the leaked images of the next generation iPhone which did reveal the thinner form factor.

The Wall Street Journal - isn't that the rag that totally missed the financial meltdown?!

"the March 30th article also described the new iPhone as "thinner" with a faster processor."

Hey WSJ, welcome to the world of technology where everything gets faster and thinner every year.

The WSJ blows!

 

[goobot]

I'm buying the iPhone to VZ rumor now. I'm thinking this may be the primary reason AT&T moved up the Upgrade Eligibility for many users. Lock them in for 2 more years before the VZ iPhone comes out in Sept/Oct...

ya thats why they did it last year too right?

 

[JodyK]

Sometimes they have several OEMs, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they have multiple sources for parts, sometimes they don't.

Nothing can be assumed or concluded from past Apple manufacturing history (at least in recent years).

Thanks for the reply!

 

[richpjr]

What happened to the hybrid GSM/CDMA chip? Wouldn't it make more sense to create one model?

This makes the most sense.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

The Wall Street Journal - isn't that the rag that totally missed the financial meltdown?!

Yeah, right as it passed by the NYT.

 

[icyfire]

Scr*w verizon, I hope they never get the iPhone, they always struck me as the greediest of all the lousy carriers, always hobbling phones capabilities so they could charge extra, bunch of t*ssp*ts.
When are we all going to stop having to pay for incoming calls?

if you ask me, AT&T is the greediest of the bunch. They kept the iPhone exclusive for all these years as a crutch for not upgrading their POS network. While Verizon certainly crippled their phones for a while, at least their network was rock solid (isn't that the point of a "mobile" phone?). And Verizon stopped crippling their phones every since the Droid came out so even that strike is not present anymore.

 

[PlayRadioPlay]

hehe, actually, I dont get dropped calls, maybe its just a bunch of bad eggs of the bunch, seems hit or miss amongst my friends here in SO Cal

I get 4 or 5 dropped calls a day. If I talk to someone else with an iPhone for longer than 60 seconds, the dropped call rate is 100%. Meaning, I have never had an iPhone to iPhone conversation longer than a minute without a dropped call. That's horrendous. I'm pretty set on leaving AT&T regardless of whether or not the iPhone goes anywhere else. There are plenty of other phones, and I refuse to put up with AT&T's service anymore.

 

[phytonix]

Verizon
iPhone
Will not
be able to
do
Data
and
Voice
simultaneously?

 

[twoodcc]

so this would mean the version iphone shipping probably early 2011 then? i'll believe it when i see it

 

[MadMacxxx]

The Wall Street Journal - isn't that the rag that totally missed the financial meltdown?!

"the March 30th article also described the new iPhone as "thinner" with a faster processor."

Hey WSJ, welcome to the world of technology where everything gets faster and thinner every year.

The WSJ blows!

The 2011 iPhone will be "thinner" with a faster processor. Am I a credible rumor source now?

Haha, I thought the same thing when I read that justification for the WSJ's reliability. I think anyone could assume that the next iphone would probably have better internals and a sleeker design.

 

[btrav13]

If you look at all my posts in the past about Verizon I have been saying this since last year that Verizon was in fact getting the iPhone and it will be an amazing day.
Also AT&T's stock will drop dramatically when this happens as over 20million consumers will be leaving launch weekend, I am sure this is of no surprise.
This however might just be a surprise. Did you know AT&T offered 4 billion privately (as in side money not part of the proposal amount) to a couple Exec's that can sway where the iPhone can go and also keeping the iPhone until 2014.

Good post for sure! The iPhone was ATT's (first) greatest acquisition and will turn out to be (in the end) it's biggest downfall. It has destroyed the perception of ATT's network, has cost people faith in it and Apple (the latter is very unfortunate as an Apple fan), so the sooner it gets moved the better for Apple. Too bad for ATT, and I cannot wait to see it happen. I will laugh my as off as ATT gets crushed in loss of customers and the destruction of the stock price. Whether it happens in 2010, 11 or 12, it doesn't matter. It WILL happen and it WILL be a glorious day.

 

[Oilbrnr]

Say it is true, would you want to buy a CDMA device with LTE right around the corner?

 

[azentropy]

ya thats why they did it last year too right?

Seems to be a lower threshold this year and moved them up much more significantly. For instance I was moved from January to November of last year. This year there are people who pay less than I do who have been moved up from December to June.

 

[AFPoster]

Good post for sure! The iPhone was ATT's (first) greatest acquisition and will turn out to be (in the end) it's biggest downfall. It has destroyed the perception of ATT's network, has cost people faith in it and Apple (the latter is very unfortunate as an Apple fan), so the sooner it gets moved the better for Apple. Too bad for ATT, and I cannot wait to see it happen. I will laugh my as off as ATT gets crushed in loss of customers and the destruction of the stock price. Whether it happens in 2010, 11 or 12, it doesn't matter. It WILL happen and it WILL be a glorious day.

I am with you on this one, too bad my step-dad is an Exec for AT&T but oh well serves him right. We should have already had tethering and a fixed network but my "inside" source says why waste money on upgrades when we can take it right out of the consumers and make a bigger profit. He also thinks that when AT&T crashes which it obviously will the wonderful OBAMA Stimulus that doesn't need to be repaid will cover them. Gotta love Obama and failing companies.

 

[thejd]

I think it would help some of the less techy guys here if someone who is knowledgeable in engineering to explain via diagram why CDMA is so different from GSM. It's hard for me to wrap my head around what appears to be an assumption that a CDMA chip/antenna is different enough from GSM that it cannot be swapped out in any cell phone application. Is it the coding of the chip, is the chip and antenna that much bigger?

 

[young92117]

There is absolutely no technical barrier. The question is if Apple has decided to move beyond the single carrier model here in the US. No one can answer that but Apple.

I second this. WIth current broadband modem chip technology, it's not going to be that hard to support CDMA. Some of current modem chips even integrated RF and PMIC chips into one chip. Hence, I suppose integration won't be too difficult. If there is barrier, I assume it will be more business kind of problem.

 

[sloppygator2013]

How often, when you are on a call, take the phone from your head, while the other person is on the line and go on the internet? I did it maybe twice, and that's because I wasn't interested in what the other persons were saying.


the truth of the matter is that, people lived without it on the iPhone 2G, and people will of course live without it on Verizon. I mean look; Verizon has more subscribers than ATT (give or take, I might be wrong). these people don't ever complain about their not having data and voice together.



Don't mock. This was credited by the Wall Street Journal, and they do not just randomly publish uncredible sources, otherwise they wouldn't have a name.

Are you kidding me?? "thinner" and "faster processor" let me guess it's going to have an Apple logo on the back? Put me on the list of experts now.

 

[Cander]

I think it would help some of the less techy guys here if someone who is knowledgeable in engineering to explain via diagram why CDMA is so different from GSM. It's hard for me to wrap my head around what appears to be an assumption that a CDMA chip/antenna is different enough from GSM that it cannot be swapped out in any cell phone application. Is it the coding of the chip, is the chip and antenna that much bigger?

Fact is the is no technical limitation. There isn't even any limitation with one device supporting both. People at macrumors are just real bad at logical deduction.

 

[Saladinos]

GSM to CDMA switch isn't that hard.

Totally possible technically, and Apple has all the motivation to do it after it proved a good strategy abroad. Really increased marketshare. Sure to do the same in the US.

Apple is definitely worried about Android. This is the only thing Android has over them.

 

[capn7]

damn...

I'd rather Verizon sticks with Android for the moment until there's some really stiff competition between Google and Apple.

I'm on Verizon, and I'm probably going to stay with Android compared to iPhone OS. Android 2.2 in Froyo update 2H 2010 = Flash 10.1

 

[Ars Diaboli]

I think it would help some of the less techy guys here if someone who is knowledgeable in engineering to explain via diagram why CDMA is so different from GSM. It's hard for me to wrap my head around what appears to be an assumption that a CDMA chip/antenna is different enough from GSM that it cannot be swapped out in any cell phone application. Is it the coding of the chip, is the chip and antenna that much bigger?

CDMA is a different timing slice and has different chip coding and different antenna structure (not sure on the antenna structuring). CDMA actually only send signal in slices per second. Its got most to do with that.

However, I don't have a clue why they are not interchangeable.

I will say this too. If iPhone to Verizon is true, this will be the coup de-gracie.

Short T and go VZW.

 

[goobot]

I get 4 or 5 dropped calls a day. If I talk to someone else with an iPhone for longer than 60 seconds, the dropped call rate is 100%. Meaning, I have never had an iPhone to iPhone conversation longer than a minute without a dropped call. That's horrendous. I'm pretty set on leaving AT&T regardless of whether or not the iPhone goes anywhere else. There are plenty of other phones, and I refuse to put up with AT&T's service anymore.

same thing would happen to Verizon if they had it. its the phone. compare the iphone signal to another device even the ipad and its garbage compared to it..

 

[jsjacob]

finally, verizon customers will eat their words with a bogged down network.

Depends on how fast users join Verizon. I suspect for a few months or even a year Verizon users would legitimately claim a faster, non-bogged-down network. But eventually capacity will be hit because it is economically unwise to build too much capacity ahead of demand.

If a significant number of current AT&T customers switch to Verizon at a rate faster than new customers joining AT&T, then maybe the AT&T network will clear-up and become faster for those sticking around!

FWIW: I don't have problems with AT&T in the East Bay of the SF Bay Area. It's fine for me, even under the bay on BART.

 

[Wolfie Scooter]

Verizon iPhone Very Possible Soon

There's a new cell site being installed right next to the building I work in. My curiosity finally won and I asked the installer foreman today at lunch what equipment was going in the building.

His response was "The shelter will house only Verizon equipment", and then he named both the Verizon and AT&T frequencies, plus LTE, as the antennas they had already installed. They were finishing up running the 18 large cables between the antennas and the shelter today. Over the next 3-4 weeks they will install the equipment in the shelter, and then begin live testing of the Verizon LTE site.

My two cents is that the first Verizon iPhone will be LTE data with CDMA voice (allowing for simultaneous access), and that it'll be out for the Christmas shopping season. (My timing is a guess admittedly.) But the GSM frequencies he mentioned were curious to me (don't know what they mean).

 

[thejd]

Fact is the is no technical limitation. There isn't even any limitation with one device supporting both. People at macrumors are just real bad at logical deduction.

Thanks for the reply. I thought as much but haven't stayed on top of chip technology as much as I used to (especially after I stopped having to take apart and build PCs after switching to Mac). It makes me wonder, though, if, with Apple's acquisition of a few mobile CPU companies, they haven't fast-tracked a dual GSM/CDMA chip which could be configured before shipment to ATT or VZ. Apple could then keep their manufacturing outlets to a minimum and be better able to isolate and resolve any release related hardware glitches.