They haven't done anything yet....so before the last few days what was in that exciting lineup Tim spoke about at the last update...so far a cheap iPad? Clearly no Pro?
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'Constant Negativity' From Pro Users Led Apple to Develop Modular Mac Pro, Which May Not Ship Until 2019
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The brains (SJ) got sunset a while back!!
My main beef with the new MBP is the price, I mean here in the UK they used Brexit as an excuse to hike the prices up first, and then they go and hike it up again the same as every other country just because it's a new model! And then they are 'surprised sales of the old MacBook Pro went up'....
Now come one, it really is beginning to sound like pig headed arrogance and blinded by the money is getting to them.
And if they sell the iPhone 8 over $1000 will they be surprised if it's sales drop too?
Two to three years for product-development for something as complex as a Mac Pro is not at all out-of-line.
The bigger issue here, maybe some have seen or said this already, is that Apple never listened to the Professional market in the first place.
Not everything needs to be mega powerful with 69GBs of RAM nad 3TB SSDs, but things in the <$1999 price range do have to warrant the price. Adding $500 for the touch bar was insane, and the price was .... meh on the MacPro, but there's no reason Apple should claim it was expandable when all we were doing was plugging things in via dongles.
The only need I have for a MacPro is to run software that isn't Mac-specific. Therefore I have the potential to go with any system. Many professionals were in the same boat.
Can't wait for 2019, but I'm not holding my breath.
Not everything needs to be mega powerful with 69GBs of RAM nad 3TB SSDs, but things in the <$1999 price range do have to warrant the price. Adding $500 for the touch bar was insane, and the price was .... meh on the MacPro, but there's no reason Apple should claim it was expandable when all we were doing was plugging things in via dongles.
The only need I have for a MacPro is to run software that isn't Mac-specific. Therefore I have the potential to go with any system. Many professionals were in the same boat.
Can't wait for 2019, but I'm not holding my breath.
While everyone complains about ports I'm pretty sure it was the price hike of the touchbar models that actually did them in. Not to mention the touchbar adds battery draining hardware with minimal practical gains to the machine.
I love Apple and Steve Jobs' legacy enough to make me angry hearing this. WTF.
It's possible that they thought there would continue to be improvements in performance/watt on the desktop side in a similar manner to the mobile side (though less aggressive). Instead the GPU industry stagnated on 28nm forever and their darling AMD hasn't done a whole lot of anything on the high end in years. People also probably overestimate the gains on the Intel side since the 2013 model was released. It's very, very incremental.
I don't think there was much to revamp in terms of GPU/CPU until Nvidia released Pascal, but AMD doesn't have anything to compete on the high end and NV probably had no interest in developing for the trash can form factor.
What are you talking about. They FIXED the Thermal issues with the MacBook Pro's design. Completely.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...2016-2-6-GHz-i7-Notebook-Review.185254.0.html
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...acbook-pro-with-touch-bar-vs-2015-macbook-pro
Welcome news. Please lose the soldering iron.
No, the captain is a Logistics and supply-chain expert; not an accountant. Big difference.
That would make more sense as I am about to replace my MacPro with a Win10 box and the next upgrade cycle will be 2020.
It is AWESOME Apple is listening.
I'm glad to say I'm one of those people who bought a Touchbar MacBook 13", gave it an honest 3 week try because usually Apple changes stuff, and humans don't like change, and it ends up for the better - but I ended up straight out baffled by the sheer uselessness of the TouchBar, so I returned it.
It hindered me constantly, missed keystrokes, baffled by what it showed, constant flashing in the corner of my eye, and interaction model that requires you to look away from your work so you can stare down it. iTunes that shows you progress of a song (??), using Xcode so there are no less than 3 mystery meat "play" triangles showing, etc, etc. Complete removal of the "I'm in the flow of work and my hands and computers are my no-need to look tools (ahem iPad)". Amazing misfire. If Apple is convinced of its utility and its eventual future (haptics, screen raises to become button, etc) then put it on top of the existing function key row and convince us of its utility. Make it so useful, that we are all saying "why is the useless function row here please remove it".
Progress is hard, usually its made by ripping off the band-aid, but all this did was open up a new wound we didn't even know we had.
Are the new MacBooks a stunning marvel of engineering, build quality, screen, trackpad ? You better believe it. I am thrilled with my decision to return the MacBook 13" touchbar for the non touchbar model. I am not thrilled this is considered the low end MacBook so has relatively low end performance and lack of ports.
I'm glad to say I'm one of those people who bought a Touchbar MacBook 13", gave it an honest 3 week try because usually Apple changes stuff, and humans don't like change, and it ends up for the better - but I ended up straight out baffled by the sheer uselessness of the TouchBar, so I returned it.
It hindered me constantly, missed keystrokes, baffled by what it showed, constant flashing in the corner of my eye, and interaction model that requires you to look away from your work so you can stare down it. iTunes that shows you progress of a song (??), using Xcode so there are no less than 3 mystery meat "play" triangles showing, etc, etc. Complete removal of the "I'm in the flow of work and my hands and computers are my no-need to look tools (ahem iPad)". Amazing misfire. If Apple is convinced of its utility and its eventual future (haptics, screen raises to become button, etc) then put it on top of the existing function key row and convince us of its utility. Make it so useful, that we are all saying "why is the useless function row here please remove it".
Progress is hard, usually its made by ripping off the band-aid, but all this did was open up a new wound we didn't even know we had.
Are the new MacBooks a stunning marvel of engineering, build quality, screen, trackpad ? You better believe it. I am thrilled with my decision to return the MacBook 13" touchbar for the non touchbar model. I am not thrilled this is considered the low end MacBook so has relatively low end performance and lack of ports.
Feel free to voice criticism, I'm just tired of hearing about the MP and MBP in articles that have nothing to do with that.
Maybe they could start by de-obsoleting the 3,1 and allow Sierra to be installed on it without workarounds.
I wouldn't say 'constant negativity'
more like 'lack of sales' (because of constant negativity because of a design that boxed Apple in a corner)
more like 'lack of sales' (because of constant negativity because of a design that boxed Apple in a corner)
And to think, they never even released the trash can in different colors.
I want to know what they were thinking? really? a computer without any update for 4 years?
even cars get a facelift in less than that!
even cars get a facelift in less than that!
That would be great and Apple really needs to do this as an alternative to the Surface style PCs. If they aren't going to make the iMac a touch screen, pair a decently priced iMac with a basic 13" iPad Pro and give it first party support. And as of now this combo would be a good bit cheaper than a Surface Studio and more versatile in some ways too.
We may see the Apple car before we see the new Mac pro.
By the way, where are all those people who complained that we the "pros" were complaining too much?
By the way, where are all those people who complained that we the "pros" were complaining too much?
Since when does Apple listen to customers? I call BS on that. What's really happening is folks are flocking to Windows & PCs at the high end of computing.
This predicament perfectly demonstrates Apple's biggest problem right now: Tim Cook is making great business decisions...at the expense of professionals and those most loyal to Apple. I'm glad to hear that they know we're angry, but so far it's just unsubstantiated talk. We'll see what products this correction leads to, but I've thought several times about selling my MBP with touch bar and buying an older MBP, so this news isn't a surprise to me.