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iPad Constant reloading of tabs in Safari makes iPad Air useless!

mcdj said:
The question is, is it something they can in fact address in the OS. Reports from iOS 7.1 beta users are that it has not been addressed in 7.1. This is disconcerting. It would seem to indicate that either Apple hasn't made a tweak yet, or they can't.
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At the moment I would go for the 'hasn't made a tweak yet' option. Beta 1 of 7.1 hasn't really added much or fixed very much, so hoping that the 'good' stuff is still yet to come. That being said, there hasn't been another beta build in a while, think its 3 weeks this Monday? Maybe one will come out then otherwise it might look like we won't see another one until the new year. Probably in time for anyone waiting to return their ipads during the holiday return period to expire :D
 
This thread is a virtual hotbed of speculation and supposition. I realize that this is a nature of the beast when it comes to internet forums but I think we're taking it to the next level here. There's a host of reasons that can cause the issues we're seeing (memory leaks, buffer overruns, hung process, PEBKAC).

I think everyone can agree that more RAM is always better. We can also agree that is bad when applications crash or tabs reload themselves unprompted. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.
 
Charliebird said:
This thread is a virtual hotbed of speculation and supposition. I realize that this is a nature of the beast when it comes to internet forums but I think we're taking it to the next level here. There's a host of reasons that can cause the issues we're seeing (memory leaks, buffer overruns, hung process, PEBKAC).

I think everyone can agree that more RAM is always better. We can also agree that is bad when applications crash or tabs reload themselves unprompted. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.
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We can all agree that iPad is still the best tablet for web browsing. The beautiful retina display with 4:3 aspect ratio made iWeb browsing so much enjoyable. All these Android 16:10 screen are not so good for web browsing...

However, it is so sad that Safari uses so much of RAM and reloading is certainly annoying.
 
cababah said:
I am still puzzled at how they felt so comfortable half-assing the future proofing of this device by upgrading the processor and bottlenecking the RAM.
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Because they know that they can sell you all a Ipad Air 2 in March, with 2 GB of RAM.

Sort of like history repeating itself, with the iPad 3 (March) and iPad 4 (November).

"Future Proofing" means they won't be able to sell you a $500 tablet every 6-12 months. They have zero interest in making that a reality.

Yes, I still have an iPad 3, and I think it (still) is a great machine, but it is still running iOS6.x.x.

You know what the best lightweight experience for browsing the internet is? A MBA. I bought a 2012 MBA, and my Ipad 3 started getting less and less usage, until it just became my travel computer. Great for that, easy to pack and I never had to worry about hotel wireless connections since it has 3G with unlimited data.

I still am hoping that Apple eventually makes an iPad Pro that is just like a MBA without a keyboard. That would be awesome. I was excited when I read "Ipad Air" headlines following the last keynote, cause I thought Apple was doing that. Very disappointed when I realized it was just a renamed iOS device. Why? The ability to run two Apps side-by-side, which you can do in OSX, but not in iOS.

The new Win8.1 tablets allow you to do that, so Apple may be losing my business in the future.
 
darngooddesign said:
If that were really true, they wouldn't have put the A7 in the Mini 2, when they could have saved it for the Mini 3.
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Mini 3 and iPad Air 2 will have 2GB of RAM and better camera. They didn't even touch the camera with iPad Air and iPad mini. By the way, Intel comes up better CPU each year and I am sure A8 will be twice faster than A7...and the trend is continue...

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Charliebird said:
That's a better way to look at it. Maybe this website needs to be renamed www Macbitchwhinemoanandcomplain com
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The complain and whine made this forum more intresting. Do you really want MacRumors becomes a place only praise Apple? That would be so boring....Apple Insider is one of that example
 
darngooddesign said:
If that were really true, they wouldn't have put the A7 in the Mini 2, when they could have saved it for the Mini 3.
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Consolidation of assembly lines, resulting in lowered production costs due to economy of scale. Probably are saving money by putting A7 in both.
 
ZBoater said:
It is, but I wouldn't lump it along with any other 3rd party app. One would hope Apple developers are a bit more resourceful when it comes to making their apps work.

Then there is Maps...
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Nice backpedalling. At first you insinuated that safari wasn't even an app. L-o-l
 
Charliebird said:
That's a better way to look at it. Maybe this website needs to be renamed www Macbitchwhinemoanandcomplain com
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LOL :D Got a chuckle out of that one! :)

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tmarks11 said:
Because they know that they can sell you all a Ipad Air 2 in March, with 2 GB of RAM.

You know what the best lightweight experience for browsing the internet is? A MBA. I bought a 2012 MBA, and my Ipad 3 started getting less and less usage, until it just became my travel computer.

The new Win8.1 tablets allow you to do that, so Apple may be losing my business in the future.
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Yeah, can't stomach $500 for a 1GB Air when my Nexus 7.2 has 2 GB for $179. I'll go back to using my 2010 MBA for now and look forward to the Air 2 in the Spring, which will most likely be a "silent" hardware upgrade, when Apple runs out of 1GB RAM modules.
 
vgamedude said:
Nice backpedalling. At first you insinuated that safari wasn't even an app. L-o-l
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I'm not responsible for your lack of understanding of plain English of any assumptions you choose to make. That's your problem.

Safari worked fine on my Mini 1 with 512MB of a RAM. The infamous "checker boarding" was the whine of the day back then. Safari knows how to display a couple of screenfuls of web without crashing. 1GB is more than enough.

You want to blame Safari crashes on the "lack" of RAM. That seems like you have another problem because the amount of RAM is not changing any time soon. If a developer wants to create an app that needs so much RAM that it forces iOS to kill it even though it's the only app running, that sounds like the developers problem. The platform they are developing for is very stable and well known to them. It's not liked Apple sprung this RAM thing on them.

Safari developers are presumably even more familiar with the iOS platform. So saying they'd create their "app" to crash is to assume they are incompetent. Believe that if you will. You can also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. :rolleyes:

I'll give them a little more credit than that...
 
calvol said:
LOL :D Got a chuckle out of that one! :)

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Yeah, can't stomach $500 for a 1GB Air when my Nexus 7.2 has 2 GB for $179. I'll go back to using my 2010 MBA for now and look forward to the Air 2 in the Spring, which will most likely be a "silent" hardware upgrade, when Apple runs out of 1GB RAM modules.
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If i were you, id get an rmini. Its cheaper than the air, so less money goes to apple (which is always a good thing), and seeing that you already have an MBA....why in gods name would you even consider an ipad air?

If i had a MBA air, i would easily choose the rmini to compliment it. MBA is barely any heavier than the ipad air, actually has a full properly working OS on it, not some half done update that was put together over a 15 minute coffee break....and it kills any ipad fpr productivity.
 
ZBoater said:
I'm not responsible for your lack of understanding of plain English of any assumptions you choose to make. That's your problem.

Safari worked fine on my Mini 1 with 512MB of a RAM. The infamous "checker boarding" was the whine of the day back then. Safari knows how to display a couple of screenfuls of web without crashing. 1GB is more than enough.

You want to blame Safari crashes on the "lack" of RAM. That seems like you have another problem because the amount of RAM is not changing any time soon. If a developer wants to create an app that needs so much RAM that it forces iOS to kill it even though it's the only app running, that sounds like the developers problem. The platform they are developing for is very stable and well known to them. It's not liked Apple sprung this RAM thing on them.

Safari developers are presumably even more familiar with the iOS platform. So saying they'd create their "app" to crash is to assume they are incompetent. Believe that if you will. You can also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. :rolleyes:

I'll give them a little more credit than that...
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Browsers work generally the same across a vast majority of systems. So does RAM. Apple programmers aren't magicians. They are constrained to the same laws and limitations as everyone else.

Sounds like you're the one who believes in Santa and toothfairies. Thinking all your problems will go away with more optimization.
 
vgamedude said:
Browsers work generally the same across a vast majority of systems. So does RAM. Apple programmers aren't magicians. They are constrained to the same laws and limitations as everyone else.

Sounds like you're the one who believes in Santa and toothfairies. Thinking all your problems will go away with more optimization.
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No, not all my problems. Just the rare and occasional Safari crash I've experienced. Making it work just like my 512MB original Mini. I guess they were geniuses back then huh.... :rolleyes:
 
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ZBoater said:
You're comparing an outdated system running ios6 and lacking a 64 bit processor to the air. Not only that but I have heard many people say that tabs reloaded A TON on the first mini.
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Misskitty said:
If i were you, id get an rmini. Its cheaper than the air, so less money goes to apple (which is always a good thing), and seeing that you already have an MBA....why in gods name would you even consider an ipad air?
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Good thought, but for the things I read on the Air-- technical books, mags, and newsprint, it's just too painful to constantly zoom in/out on the rMini, so I returned it.

My optimum mix now is:
- Email/light-web: Nexus 7.2 (smaller lighter than rMini and has 2GB RAM)
- Novels: Paperwhite (can read outdoors and is lighter than rMini)
- Mags/newsprint: iPad Air 2 (whenever it comes out with 2GB RAM)
- Work: Macbook Air (may upgrade next summer to the rumored 12")

Until the iPad Air upgrade, I'm just going to get an iPad 2.
 
ZBoater said:
That's riiiiiigt. A newer system with a better processor and newer OS is supposed to run worse. Got it. :rolleyes:
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When that 'better' processor is 64bit which takes up more RAM per task and is not equipped with more RAM to go along with it, yes. Its threshold is much lower in same given task.

Not to mention iOS7 takes up more RAM too. What is so hard to get?
 
ZBoater said:
That's riiiiiigt. A newer system with a better processor and newer OS is supposed to run worse. Got it. :rolleyes:
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God you are such a smug person. It has 64 bit processor =uses more ram, also the screen is a higher resolution and its running a new OS that hogs more resources.

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ZBoater said:
Ok, got it. Apple has no idea how to build a 64 bit processor on a tablet that can work with their designed specs. Got it. :rolleyes:
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Look I'm sorry the deity you pray to everyday (apple apparently) messed up but you have got to deal with it and stop posting trash here because you just have no idea what you're talking about.
 
vgamedude said:
..Look I'm sorry the deity you pray to everyday (apple apparently) messed up but you have got to deal with it and stop posting trash here because you just have no idea what you're talking about.
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LOL! They sure messed up. The most popular iPad ever. Quite a mess. :rolleyes:

Oh Apple! Forgive him for he knows not of what he speaks! :apple:
 
ZBoater said:
LOL! They sure messed up. The most popular iPad ever. Quite a mess. :rolleyes:

Oh Apple! Forgive him for he knows not of what he speaks! :apple:
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Sales figures are in no way an accurate representation of a devices performance. The average consumer probably doesn't even know the name of the processor used unless they see it in the ad.

Congratulations on entirely missing the point though.
 
On a funny side, a cold boot of Windows 8.1 uses 743MB out of 2GB of RAM on my Surface 2. Task manager shows 1.2GB of RAM available to run applications in multitasking mode. That doesn't even include virtual memory. If this is such a requirement, then a MS tablet like the Surface 2 is probably a better fit. One fact remains though: iPad is the best selling tablet because it's user friendly and the experience is more streamlined overall.
 
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