iPad Constant reloading of tabs in Safari makes iPad Air useless!

[Consultant]

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Im considering doing that too, was in the store the other say playing with one. A device thats half the price....and well....it just works! How about that apple?

The fact the ipads are $500 and cant handle anything more than 1 browser with 1 tab is pathetic.

Right now the new ipads, youre paying for the logo. But im not a baller, so i couldnt care less about what brand tablet i have.

LOL. Nexus 7 has the same 1GB of RAM. Since Android is less optimized than iOS, you will be getting a worse device.

Also Nexus 7 is already lagging behind in software, that means it's susceptible to malware.

 

[calvol]

I jist picked up a nexus 7, finally will compare it to the rmini and see which ill keep. Out of the box, i can already say that this has much more value for your money than the air and mini combined.

I've got an Air, rMini, and N7, and of the 3, the rMini is going back first. The N7 was only $179 on a BF Staples deal, and I'm finding KitKat navigation between apps, browsing, and checking email to be easier than in IOS. Even though the N7 has had its share of issues-- random reboots, faulty GPS, etc., it's a keeper for its slick UI, portability, etc. as a road warrior.

My delimma is whether to keep this "ultimate refreshing machine", or return it for an iPad2, and wait for a 2GB version of the URM. I need a 10" form factor for newsprint, mags, and some technical books, which the 7 or 8" can't handle.

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LOL. Nexus 7 has the same 1GB of RAM. Since Android is less optimized than iOS, you will be getting a worse device.

Nope, the 2013 N7 has 2 GB RAM, and a 1.5 Ghz Snapdragon quad-core, it is fast!

 

[ZBoater]

Yes why doesn't that make sense?

Because that would assume the developers of Safari are incompetent.

http://www.vargatron.com/2010/08/ipad-html5-js-memory-management/

https://developer.apple.com/library...onceptual/memorymgmt/articles/MemoryMgmt.html

Any app can be designed and programmed to release memory it doesn't need at the moment. And if you think 1GB is not enough to display a single screen or two of Safari content, then you would be mistaken. Remember the checkerboard screens in the earlier iOS versions? Safari was loading sections of a page and release other sections that were not being viewed to make room.

If you want to think Apple can't design and code a browser than can work within 1GB of RAM, go ahead and think that. I've seen it work, and work well, with 512MB of RAM. It is just a matter of time before they fix whatever bug is causing this. If you don't want to believe it, return your iPad and wait patiently until iPad releases a new model, iFixit disassembles it, and confirms that is has 2GB of RAM (since Apple won't).

 

[007p]

Because that would assume the developers of Safari are incompetent.

http://www.vargatron.com/2010/08/ipad-html5-js-memory-management/

https://developer.apple.com/library...onceptual/memorymgmt/articles/MemoryMgmt.html

Any app can be designed and programmed to release memory it doesn't need at the moment. And if you think 1GB is not enough to display a single screen or two of Safari content, then you would be mistaken. Remember the checkerboard screens in the earlier iOS versions? Safari was loading sections of a page and release other sections that were not being viewed to make room.

If you want to think Apple can't design and code a browser than can work within 1GB of RAM, go ahead and think that. I've seen it work, and work well, with 512MB of RAM. It is just a matter of time before they fix whatever bug is causing this. If you don't want to believe it, return your iPad and wait patiently until iPad releases a new model, iFixit disassembles it, and confirms that is has 2GB of RAM (since Apple won't).

Hopefully they will put something like that in since it certainly isn't doing it now.

I am not just talking about the new iPads, every ios device I have - mini, air, ipad 2, iPhone 4/5/5s spread across ios 5,6,7. I can make safari crash with a single tab by viewing a camera stream that isn't opened into the external player. Why does it crash on every device with a low memory log? Because it runs out of ram with nothing left to kill but safari. It would be nice if it could purge the old video but it doesn't seem to. Sure this could be the sites fault, but it does point out that the OS kills safari due to running out of memory, which seems to be happening here.

I have no interest in returning anything, I'm just pointing out that since iOS 7 seems to be taking up so much ram, as soon as safari runs out of RAM with nothing left to kiill then the OS kills safari....that's by design of iOS. Whether or not safari should be handling things differently we will have to wait and see, but it doesn't seem to me like it has that function yet (or ever did).


It's also clear the device doesn't have 1gb of ram when ios 7 is taking up 80% of that. It seems like looking at older devices with smaller ram and also OS that took up less memory is pointless. At the moment safari seems to struggle with only about 200-150mb of RAM - which for some sites with a lot of pictures can make sense. Unless its handling this correctly I.e. unloading and loading depending on what your viewing on a single page...the OS will just kill the browser.

I'm not saying its a hardware problem per say - 2gb would make the situation less noticeable, but would not help older devices. The problem is that ios 7 is just too big, they either haven't optimised it properly (hopefully), or they just went a step too far this time. If they fix any safari problems and see if they can cut ios 7 down a bit in terms of memory usage everything might be ok....will have to see what 7.1 brings.

 

[ZBoater]

...I can make crash with a single tab in safari by viewing a camera stream that isn't opened into the external player. ...

That doesn't mean it is low on memory, or that the issue isn't being caused by a bug. By definition the streaming doesn't load the whole video, just the few seconds is buffers. And at what resolution is that video? And how much is it buffering? It is possible that it overwhelms the memory of the iPad. It is more likely that there is a bug somewhere.

I guess I'm lucky Safari doesn't really crash that often, or maybe I just don't frequent sites that cause it to crash. But I expect the iPad to work with 1GB of RAM. And for the overwhelming most part, it does, and very well.

 

[007p]

That doesn't mean it is low on memory, or that the issue isn't being caused by a bug. By definition the streaming doesn't load the whole video, just the few seconds is buffers. And at what resolution is that video? And how much is it buffering? It is possible that it overwhelms the memory of the iPad. It is more likely that there is a bug somewhere.

I guess I'm lucky Safari doesn't really crash that often, or maybe I just don't frequent sites that cause it to crash. But I expect the iPad to work with 1GB of RAM. And for the overwhelming most part, it does, and very well.

I'm sure it does overwhelm it, and I don't think it buffers. The point wasn't to say that the device is broken the site is perfect etc. It was merely that if safari reaches its limit on RAM that the OS will kill it if it doesn't or can't 'unload' unnecessary or unused memory...since that's what it's meant to do.

The site is irrelvant, the fact is ios 7 is too big at the moment - and who knows if they can reduce it. Then safari doesn't seem to be managing the RAM as well as it could. Whether or not these are fixable or if apple even try is a different matter. Hopefully they do will just have to wait and see what 7.1 beta brings. I just think that neither more ram would solve the issue (need to think of the older devices) and that the software isnt as broken as some people make it out to be (that ios 7 is too big which makes certain sites 'kill' safari)

 

[vgamedude]

WHAT four tabs? I just posted a pic with TEN tabs and its not reloading. So doesn't it MATTER what tabs you are loading?

What is the browser SUPPOSED to do when it runs out of RAM? Or is 2GB a magical number where there will never be a low memory situation again?

I joined just to post because I'm so tired of reading your ignorant trash on every damn thread I go to. You keep saying 2 gb won't fix it all the way well look at it this way.

If you had lets say 100 mb of ram free after bootup and just the OS running and then you load safari you have the 100 Mb allocated to safari. That's nothing. If you had 2 gb that's a whole extra 1 gb free of the OS to be allocated to safari or apps as needed. Even if Ios has a slight memory leak this would help things MASSIVELY. If you deny that you're a fool.

Having 2 gbs would completely eliminate these issues and you probably wouldn't even have to reload unless you had dozens of tabs open. I'm so tired of seeing you post about this ram and keep insisting that its a software issue.

If I was trying to stack sandwiches into a picnick basket and threw them in sloppily let's say I could fit 7. If I was careful and optimized the way I was putting the sandwiches in maybe I could get 10. Now what if I need 12 sandwiches? TOO BAD! No amount of optimization will allow more sandwiches into the basket unless I remove other sandwiches or cut them up (app crashing and reload) to fit different sandwiches (pointless). Now if I get a bigger basket I can easily fit many more sandwiches in there, and with optimization a borderline astonishing amount of sandwiches would be in there.

So please, quit posting acting like this is only a damn software issue. Even if it was there's only so much you can do with a pathetic 1 gb. The OS has been shown to be way more resource heavy than ios 6 and 1 gb of RAM is no longer enough. So just quit it.

 

[ZBoater]

I joined just to post because I'm so tired of reading your ignorant trash on every damn thread I go to.

Then you need to get another hobby.

So please, quit posting acting like this is only a damn software issue. Even if it was there's only so much you can do with a pathetic 1 gb. The OS has been shown to be way more resource heavy than ios 6 and 1 gb of RAM is no longer enough. So just quit it.

Wow. Glad you could join us to straighten that out.

I guess the iPad 1 and Mini with much less RAM and working fine were just anomalies.

Sorry you had to waste your first post.

 

[Statusnone88]

Z I'm with you brother. iOS has always been optimized with low end specs on idevices. It's a flaw in the OS... At least I hope it is.

 

[ZBoater]

...If I was trying to stack sandwiches into a picnick basket and threw them in sloppily let's say I could fit 7. If I was careful and optimized the way I was putting the sandwiches in maybe I could get 10. Now what if I need 12 sandwiches? TOO BAD! No amount of optimization will allow more sandwiches into the basket unless I remove other sandwiches or cut them up (app crashing and reload) to fit different sandwiches (pointless). Now if I get a bigger basket I can easily fit many more sandwiches in there, and with optimization a borderline astonishing amount of sandwiches would be in there...

How many more? 15? 20? 30? And when you reached that limit and needed to fit more sandwiches, what then Sherlock? Enlighten us with your sandwich packing skills. Because your analogy implies that 2GB is "enough".

What happens when the 2GB is used up? More crashes?

You analogy has made me.... hungry.

 

[masterpace]

I joined just to post because I'm so tired of reading your ignorant trash on every damn thread I go to. You keep saying 2 gb won't fix it all the way well look at it this way.

If you had lets say 100 mb of ram free after bootup and just the OS running and then you load safari you have the 100 Mb allocated to safari. That's nothing. If you had 2 gb that's a whole extra 1 gb free of the OS to be allocated to safari or apps as needed. Even if Ios has a slight memory leak this would help things MASSIVELY. If you deny that you're a fool.

Having 2 gbs would completely eliminate these issues and you probably wouldn't even have to reload unless you had dozens of tabs open. I'm so tired of seeing you post about this ram and keep insisting that its a software issue.

If I was trying to stack sandwiches into a picnick basket and threw them in sloppily let's say I could fit 7. If I was careful and optimized the way I was putting the sandwiches in maybe I could get 10. Now what if I need 12 sandwiches? TOO BAD! No amount of optimization will allow more sandwiches into the basket unless I remove other sandwiches or cut them up (app crashing and reload) to fit different sandwiches (pointless). Now if I get a bigger basket I can easily fit many more sandwiches in there, and with optimization a borderline astonishing amount of sandwiches would be in there.

So please, quit posting acting like this is only a damn software issue. Even if it was there's only so much you can do with a pathetic 1 gb. The OS has been shown to be way more resource heavy than ios 6 and 1 gb of RAM is no longer enough. So just quit it.

I agree there's an issue or a design limitation here. You know the ipad Air has 1gb of ram and that fact will remain. Now, that seems like a blocking issue to you. You won't change the ipad. So, why don't you change your own perspective and consider alternate options? That would be much more productive that way. You know, there are very good alternatives here, both in the Android and MS world. The Surface 2 for instance comes with 2GB of RAM, is brillant at multitasking, window splitting, Internet explorer supports multiple tabs without them refreshing spontaneously or the browser crashing, etc. That's a different "animal" than an Air though.

 

[vgamedude]

Then you need to get another hobby.



Wow. Glad you could join us to straighten that out.

I guess the iPad 1 and Mini with much less RAM and working fine were just anomalies.

Sorry you had to waste your first post.

How many more? 15? 20? 30? And when you reached that limit and needed to fit more sandwiches, what then Sherlock? Enlighten us with your sandwich packing skills. Because your analogy implies that 2GB is "enough".

What happens when the 2GB is used up? More crashes?

You analogy has made me.... hungry.

Everything is about getting acceptable performance. Everything. Saying why get more RAM because with more pages it will still eventually run out is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Why get more of anything then? Why get a bigger battery? You'll eventually run out anyway. That's what you sound like. That point is absolutely silly.

As for the other ipads running "fine", they still had to reload tabs quite a bit from what iv'e seen. If they ran better it was because a couple of things. Ios 6 being more lightweight, ios 6 being more lightweight means it was easier on RAM, and they weren't running 64 bit CPUs and Operating systems.


Considering you have (according to one users post) about 80 megabytes free right after a reset with no apps open 2gbs would give you 1gb and 80 mb free. Whats enough is whatever people feel is acceptable. Now for many people apparently 1gb is acceptable, at least for the tech illiterate masses. For me 1gb in this situation is most clearly not enough. 2gb would be acceptable, I would prefer more honestly but 2gb would be absolutely fine.

I don't think you understand, or maybe don't care to, how big of a difference an extra gig would make. Really its not hard. It's basic arithmetic. If you have 80 mb (lets be generous and just say 100 mb) free on a fresh startup that leaves you NOTHING to work with. No optimization in the world (unless they fundamentally change ios 7, even then it would still be puny) will fix that. You have nothing to work with.

Adding another gigabyte to give you 2 gb of ram gives you a whole GIGABYTE free for apps and safari. A WHOLE GIGABYTE VERSUS 100 MEGABYTES. If you can't understand what a drastic difference that is I don't know what to tell you. I can't make it any clearer.

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I agree there's an issue or a design limitation here. You know the ipad Air has 1gb of ram and that fact will remain. Now, that seems like a blocking issue to you. You won't change the ipad. So, why don't you change your own perspective and consider alternate options? That would be much more productive that way. You know, there are very good alternatives here, both in the Android and MS world. The Surface 2 for instance comes with 2GB of RAM, is brillant at multitasking, window splitting, Internet explorer supports multiple tabs without them refreshing spontaneously or the browser crashing, etc. That's a different "animal" than an Air though.

I have not yet purchased an Air. I have used them in stores and a friend let me use his for a short period of time. With all of the RAM issues and even the screen issues I'm reading about I might skip this generation. I don't have a tablet though and I really wanted one this year. I considered an alternate tablet but I'm not sure if I want to go with android or microsoft. I really had my mind set on the Air, but I waited and didn't get one on release to see how it panned out and now I'm glad I did. I would have probably returned it.

I'll continue to wait and see how things pan out. Maybe I'll go with a windows tablet, but I doubt it.

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LOL. Nexus 7 has the same 1GB of RAM. Since Android is less optimized than iOS, you will be getting a worse device.

Also Nexus 7 is already lagging behind in software, that means it's susceptible to malware.

https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/3247662?hl=en

The nexus 7 has 2 gigs. Also what do you mean lagging behind in software? It's gotten Kit Kat already.

 

[ZBoater]

...I don't think you understand, or maybe don't care to, how big of a difference an extra gig would make. Really its not hard. It's basic arithmetic...Adding another gigabyte to give you 2 gb of ram gives you a whole GIGABYTE free for apps and safari. A WHOLE GIGABYTE VERSUS 100 MEGABYTES. If you can't understand what a drastic difference that is I don't know what to tell you. I can't make it any clearer.

It's quite clear despite your rudeness. Let me make this clear to you. Unless you have mad skills and a soldering iron, you ain't getting 2GB into an iPad. So getting this worked up about it is POINTLESS. So rather than pointing out how ignorant I am, consider not buying an iPad and getting a Surface to hold you over until such time Apple decides to put two GB of RAM in their iPads, at which point they won't tell you they did it. Because it's supposed to work as is.

In the meantime, me and my ignorant self will continue using and enjoying my iPad along with the masses. You can sit here and fret with the other tech gurus while you guys either figure out how to add RAM to an iPad or buy the iPad 6.

 

[vgamedude]

It's quite clear despite your rudeness. Let me make this clear to you. Unless you have mad skills and a soldering iron, you ain't getting 2GB into an iPad. So getting this worked up about it is POINTLESS. So rather than pointing out how ignorant I am, consider not buying an iPad and getting a Surface to hold you over until such time Apple decides to put two GB of RAM in their iPads, at which point they won't tell you they did it. Because it's supposed to work as is.

In the meantime, me and my ignorant self will continue using and enjoying my iPad along with the masses. You can sit here and fret with the other tech gurus while you guys either figure out how to add RAM to an iPad or buy the iPad 6.

I'm quite aware that you can't fix this current gen by tacking on more RAM. I'm saying they shouldn't have gimped it so heavily in the first place. I'm more than likely going to simply wait for the next ipad.

Also it's quite funny how you call me rude when everytime I see you post in these threads you have a smug attitude in response to anyone saying something about the RAM that disagrees with you. And the constant use of the emoticons rolling their eyes really cements that feeling you give off let me tell you.

If they somehow shrink the amount of ram Ios uses drastically, leave around 200 mb free on startup, then (if possible) optimize safari better, then (if its even possible) implement swap, you might have a moderately usable safari without a ton of tab reloading.

I just don't see how they're going to do ALL that. Further with apps open plus safari that 200 mb still wont go along way, and if they can optimize ios 7 to use that much less mb it will be a borderline miracle.

All in all, should have been 2gb, there is no excuse for it not being 2gb, and they could have saved themselves alot of trouble. Let me just say that the people working on software updates have their work cut out for them if they intend to fix these issues.

 

[ZBoater]

... I'm saying they shouldn't have gimped it so heavily in the first place.

Only they didn't gimp anything.

Also it's quite funny how you call me rude when everytime I see you post in these threads you have a smug attitude in response to anyone saying something about the RAM that disagrees with you. And the constant use of the emoticons rolling their eyes really cements that feeling you give off let me tell you.

Well, having a smug attitude is not quite the same as calling someone ignorant and having a rude attitude.

...there is no excuse for it not being 2gb, and they could have saved themselves alot of trouble..

None whatsoever. Which explains why these gimped iPads are FLYING off the shelf. Yeah, Apple sure could have saved themselves a lot of trouble...

 

[Count Blah]

I agree there's an issue or a design limitation here. You know the ipad Air has 1gb of ram and that fact will remain. Now, that seems like a blocking issue to you. You won't change the ipad. So, why don't you change your own perspective and consider alternate options? That would be much more productive that way. You know, there are very good alternatives here, both in the Android and MS world. The Surface 2 for instance comes with 2GB of RAM, is brillant at multitasking, window splitting, Internet explorer supports multiple tabs without them refreshing spontaneously or the browser crashing, etc. That's a different "animal" than an Air though.

Yes, let's all accept mediocrity.

Complain loudly, return, refund. Three steps that will get apple's attention. No other way to do it.

 

[mcdj]

I am no computer scientist, but I have owned and used every iPhone and every iPad model since their respective releases. I ran an iPad 4, a Mini, and an iPhone 5 on iOS 7 beta for a good long time before its public release. And of course I ran those devices on iOS 6 for months before that.

Now I am using an iPhone 5s, a Retina Mini, and an Air. Never in the history of iOS or its devices have I experienced so many page refreshes and random reboots. It happens less with the iPhone 5S, but regularly with the Mini and Air.

I don't know what role 64 bit plays in these issues, but it is a common factor. Obviously the reports of 64 bit eating RAM are out there. Another common factor is iOS 7, with no previous install of iOS 6. I find it puzzling that iOS 7 has far fewer graphic intensive elements, is a smaller install than iOS 6, and didn't cause random reboots on my previous non-64 bit devices. It's a leaner OS, and it wasn't prone to reboots, or heavy page refreshes for that matter, on 2012 devices.

If 2 different devices with the same amount of RAM, running the same OS, exhibit different page refresh thresholds and virtually non-existent vs. regular random reboots, and the only significant difference is a new 64 bit chip, it seems rather logical that the chip is the issue, or at least how the OS and the chip work together.

If 64 bit is chewing RAM, then Apple clearly needs to tweak the OS to compensate.

The question is, is it something they can in fact address in the OS. Reports from iOS 7.1 beta users are that it has not been addressed in 7.1. This is disconcerting. It would seem to indicate that either Apple hasn't made a tweak yet, or they can't.

The inability to have more than three or four tabs open at a time, and the obviously buggy behavior of the random reboots are the kinds of things that Apple has typically remedied rather quickly in the past with updates. Either this is another case of something not affecting enough people to warrant a quick fix, or it's a problem Apple is struggling with. I suspect the latter.

 

[vgamedude]

Only they didn't gimp anything.



Well, having a smug attitude is not quite the same as calling someone ignorant and having a rude attitude.



None whatsoever. Which explains why these gimped iPads are FLYING off the shelf. Yeah, Apple sure could have saved themselves a lot of trouble...

In my eyes they gimped it, many others feel that way. I also said that 1gb seemed to be enough for the masses. But not for me, and not for some others either.

 

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LOL. Nexus 7 has the same 1GB of RAM. Since Android is less optimized than iOS, you will be getting a worse device.

Also Nexus 7 is already lagging behind in software, that means it's susceptible to malware.

you need to use the new 2013 nexus 7. it has 2gb of ram. and the new ART (android runtime) with kitkat OS is super silky smooth.

 

[macfacts]

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LOL. Nexus 7 has the same 1GB of RAM. Since Android is less optimized than iOS, you will be getting a worse device.

Also Nexus 7 is already lagging behind in software, that means it's susceptible to malware.

2013 version of the nexus 7 has 2 GB of ram.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

Only they didn't gimp anything.



Well, having a smug attitude is not quite the same as calling someone ignorant and having a rude attitude.



None whatsoever. Which explains why these gimped iPads are FLYING off the shelf. Yeah, Apple sure could have saved themselves a lot of trouble...

Dude...you need stop arguing... When something Is clearly written on Apple Developer page, low memory would result app crash, then you need accept the fact.... You should try experiment with Windows 7 running on 512MB RAM with virtual memory disabled. Trty to launch a large program see why happens...

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In my eyes they gimped it, many others feel that way. I also said that 1gb seemed to be enough for the masses. But not for me, and not for some others either.

There is just no competition on tablet world. iPad is still king of app selection and 4:3 screen absolutely rules. However, when Android gets more tablet optimized apps and 4:3 screen, it is time for me to switch over.

In he main time, I will just need get use to page constantly reloading...

 

[ZBoater]

Dude...you need stop arguing... When something Is clearly written on Apple Developer page, low memory would result app crash, then you need accept the fact.... ...

Dude, I missed the part where that applied to Safari. You need to stop making stuff up.

 

[pocketpenguin]

....Unless you have mad skills and a soldering iron, you ain't getting 2GB into an iPad. ...

Those wouldn't do any good. According to I fixit, the RAM is located on the SOC - system on a chip, i.e. The main CPU chip. So those with mad hacker skills are still out of luck.

I suspect apple had a choice, increase the size of the CPU to add more RAM, thus requiring more physical space inside and outside the ipad, or keep it at one gig because very few people were complaining about RAM on the ipad 3 and 4.

Seems like a good decision until you throw in a buggy and RAM hungry OS upgrade.


Edit: As pointed out in another thread, I am wrong about the RAM being located on the A7 chip, it is not.

 

[mcdj]

Dude, I missed the part where that applied to Safari. You need to stop making stuff up.

Safari is not an app?

 

[MisakixMikasa]

Those wouldn't do any good. According to I fixit, the RAM is located on the SOC - system on a chip, i.e. The main CPU chip. So those with mad hacker skills are still out of luck.

I suspect apple had a choice, increase the size of the CPU to add more RAM, thus requiring more physical space inside and outside the ipad, or keep it at one gig because very few people were complaining about RAM on the ipad 3 and 4.

Seems like a good decision until you throw in a buggy and RAM hungry OS upgrade.

I don't know how if it is impossible for Apple to fit 2GB of the RAM inside iPad Air or iPad Mini. But hey, retina iPad Mini is thicker and heavier. If Google managed to throw 2GB of memory on sir Nexus 7, which is really thin and light as well, then Apple should able done that.

By the way, the RAM module is not inside the SoC, it sits underneath of the SoC for, a package over package.

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Dude, I missed the part where that applied to Safari. You need to stop making stuff up.

It he general rule applies to all app, I don't see how Safari is special. If Safari uses maximum RAM it possibly can, they it will crashes.