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Zero stake in the iPhone doesn't mean zero stake in Apple.

I'd venture to say I've spent more on Apple hardware and software in a year than most iPhone users will in a lifetime, and have far more to lose than iCrap iBrats.

:apple:

So, why are you booking passage on a ship you're convinced is going to sink. You brag about your five-figure investment (yawn) in Apple products, but don't expect them to be around after the Apple "bubble" pops. No wonder there's a difference between your balance sheet and Apple's.
 
Plea for sanity on death grip issue

The Consumer Reports declaration on the iPhone, although appearing helpful overall in moving the ball forward, still doesn't address the bigger issues. My problem with Consumer Reports, and every report and every comment I've read on this issue, is everyone's just looking at once slice of the pie. My own analysis suggests a series of variables can cascade for some users, and never reach critical mass for others.

1) Software 4.0: Upon updating my 3GS to 4.0, I could on purpose drop bars by employing the death grip if I took off the case. There are many users saying 4.0 made their 3GS and 3G phone more vulnerable to signal fade. Apple did change the protocol, searching for the least busiest tower INSTEAD of the closest tower as part of the 4.0 update. Other slight changes were likely made as well. A long standing issue for the iPhone has been call quality. Apple can't control ATT's network, but no doubt has been pushing the envelope in order to compensate.

2) The new 4.0 hardware design. Duh. Obviously this makes it worse as evidenced by the many tests and the fact that duct tape seems to help in some cases. The design was supposed to make it easier for your phone to pick up a signal. We've had many reports it does just that...but the double edge sword is it also makes the phone easier to short out. However Consumer Reports and others have solely focused on the antenna, and therefore is missing the big picture.

3)Your Carrier: ATT's signals have been all over the map since launch. When the new 4.0 first came out, we would see download speeds of 4500 and upload of 1300. That's 3x and 5x the top speed I ever got from my 3GS. But those speeds only lasted a few days. ATT has admitted a problem on their network with upload speeds. Here they've gone down from 1300 to 90! Download speed has dropped from 4500 to 1400. This seems to clearly be on ATT's end, not related to the antenna issue. It appears there's a whole lot of tweaking going on at ATT.

4) Proximity: It's been demonstrated that the lower your signal is from ATT, the more likely you are to have the death grip problem. This I believe is a key issue. I've observed a 4.0 phone more than once going from 4 to no bars without even being touched. It appears the farther you are from a tower, the more likely you will be automatically switched to another tower if there is less traffic on it at that precise moment. A bumper is not going to fix this problem.

Therefore, I believe the death grip "issue" is really a series of interacting problems, both hardware and software, both Apple and ATT. These interacting variables also explain why some people have the problem and others don't. Why bumpers cases work for some users. Why some users are getting better reception than ever and couldn't be happier. And why Consumer Reports and others came to their conclusions.

Personally, I'm more concerned with data speeds than dropping calls. A bumper and attention to not, dare I say it, hold the phone the wrong way will reduce drop calls. But a crazy lack of consistency in data speeds is hard to deal with. And honestly, this has always been the case. We're the mercy of the load of the network, but there's no doubt at this point that it's worse with the new phone. The good news is much of this are software fixes. Does anyone really think the fix Apple has already offered to make, changing the algorithm of how the bars appear in your screen, would take more than two weeks to accomplish? This was a long term PR move, designed to get all of us to focus on the impact of proximity. It's obviously not going to "fix" anything, and that's why many are upset.

Just like many politicians, Apple is making the mistake of not acknowledging that an issue like this is really, really complicated. We live a binary world where people demand simple explanations. Just look at the comments on this subject in every blog you've read, and will no doubt be added to this post. Too many posts fit pre-existing attitudes, and the result is confusing users and the media. I'd like to challenger Consumer Reports and others to test more than just one variable. No doubt that's what Apple is doing now...and why it's taking so long....
 
I think this is outrageous, in this day and age, who in their right mind can sell a phone that either requires DUCT tape or a case to work properly? like litterally it REQUIRES this to work properly as shown in every ip4 ad!

its needed a recall but the sheer number that are out there it would devistate the market and destroy the reputation of Apple releasing things "that just work".

The whole appeal of apple and not microsoft or droid is that their stuff supposedly works flawlessly and smoothly... take a iphone and then take away the reception you got an ipod... but add duct tape thats obviously gonna come off or an annoying bumber and you can have calling capabilities.

they had it right with the 3GS, why try to fix something that wasnt broken?

Talked to several people who were going to get the IP4, but the word is out and nobody wants a defective device.
 
I hope it has a noticeable effect. Apple needs a serious pimp slap for trying to tell us there's no design flaw and a software update is all that's required.

As much as I love my phone, Apple deserves this and more. Not so much for making a physically flawed product. It's rare but it happens to the best of them. It's more for the lies and extremely poor handling of the situation.

Ditto. I love my IPhone 4. Wouldn't trade it for anything, but Apples response has been.....awkward and almost offensive. The way I see it is this will only serve to benefit me as the consumer. I'm thrilled with my phone as is, it can only improve with more negative PR like this. I think anyway. Apple can not keep ignoring this, ESPECIALLY with an update that's going to give users lower signal??

Are you kidding me?

That's not going to cut it, it will only make things worse for Apple.
 
Jobs: "And now I'd like to introduce the iPhone 4 signal enhancement kit. Once again we've outpaced the competition to market with this as well as demonstrated our innovative prowess." Big applause.

Jobs: "And I bet you're wondering what this kit contains? Well here's a picture."

Audience: "OOOOOOHHHHHH." Long applause.

Jobs: "Here we have the iTape and iScissors that make up the kit. I bet they'll try to copy
us but you know we are the orginal and best." Long applause.

Jobs: "Be sure to visit your local Apple store asap to grab one up. The're only $50.00."
 
not the right question

I think this is outrageous, in this day and age, who in their right mind can sell a phone that either requires DUCT tape or a case to work properly?

The real question is "who in their right mind *would buy* a phone that either requires DUCT tape or a case to work properly".

The answer, of course, is "Apple fans".
 
If Apple did not think they couldn't fix the issue with software, then there would be a recall. If it doesn't fix the issue, then we can all go to the apple store and demand they take our phones back. Even past the 30 day point..

Except that Apple had many a known hardware flaw in their products, and have not issued a recall.

Considering how many have already been sold there's no chance it will fit into the category you describe.

What percentage of users don't use a case with a phone that costs $499 to purchase without a contract? Answer, very few.

I don't know actually, but I would bet more users would buy the iPhone and not put it in a case than you yourself thinks. Do you know what percentage of iPhone buyers DON'T consider $500 to be a lot of money? Or how many iPhone users consider their devices disposable?

I would bet many.

Keep betting against Apple though, I see the stock is down a whopping 1% after hours, whoop-a-dee-doo.

Never said I was betting against Apple, was there a point to assuming that I was?
 
Just seems if someone says they have had no problems, they are called apple fanbois, I wont return my phone till I see a serious problem. My only one since the 25th is the yellow in picture which I understand to be software related.

I have the family 1000 plan and I have not had one problem with proximity or dropped calls. I understand there is a problem, but guess I got lucky and got a good one.
 
The last segment on 'Countdown With Keith Olbermann' (MSNBC) is...

You guessed it. The iPhone 4/CR.

No putting this genie back in the bottle.


Take your lumps, Apple and offer a recall. Not even freebie bumpers will do. That's just admitting you're putting a Band-Aid on a design flaw that won't work w/out it (even then, to avoid FTC fraudulent advertising claims, you'd HAVE to show *every* iPhone 4 ad W/ the bumper).

You wouldn't allow a Motorola or Sony-Ericsson or Microsoft or a Google to get away w/ it and you're not above it, either.
 
So CR writes a review and recommends the iPhone 4 without testing any actual iPhone 4’s. Then they get 3 iPhone 4’s, run tests, and write a review finding they can’t recommend the iPhone 4. Yet, CR is some kind of “gold standard?” This must be a joke.
 
I sure hope it can be resolved without a case / bumper. I have tried one and really prefer to use my phone naked. The rubber makes it harder to get in and out of my front pocket.

Either you use something which isolates the antennas from being interconnected or you live with it...

It is a design flaw... a beginner's mistake. Probably engineers recommended another design... but executives (included Mr. Jobs) decided that this design would be "cool" and "innovative"...
 
It has been confirmed as a hardware issue, inherent in the phone's design. This type of problem cannot be fixed via software, only masked.

I disagree completely, in principle. In the specific case of the iPhone, I would agree because I don't think the iPhone has the knobs to tweak in order to make a software/firmware fix work.

To summarize how it's possible there could be an actual software fix.... I think the problem is due to an increase in the VSWR (or S11) of the antenna ground plane (not the antenna itself, which is actually inside the phone). Mucking with the VSWR sends reflected energy backwards and will decrease the SNR. This is essentially a multi-path interference type problem which, given sufficient processing power (i.e. an FPGA), could be equalized out using a technique called a double-blind deconvolution. This is completely a software/firmware fix.
 
The real question is "who in their right mind *would buy* a phone that either requires DUCT tape or a case to work properly".

The answer, of course, is "Apple fans".

yea but being a fan and purchasing this defective product tells apple they can release **** all over the walls and you will still lick it up as gold... they need to know that they are just as liable as Microsoft is when they mess up and release something that is crap... take them back and MAKE them fix the issue...

not say "your holding it wrong" or "its a non-issue" or "the signal is so strong but the software is reading it wrong" <-- this one is just an intelligence insult to everyone who owns something apple. seriously, telling us that they were using the wrong code to output the signal strength and they are going to change the bar sizes so everyone can see its "true" signal strength" then everyone will see the IP4 have **** signal and the 3GS have good signal
 
What the?

Who are you guys? Do you even own an iphone 4? You throw disparaging
remarks at anyone who speaks badly of Apple. You sound like Apple employees
planted here for that purpose.

Well i do have an iphone 4, and their findings are true. All of the issues do
exist, but hey, I have a case so it doesn't really matter so much to me. But
these reports will force Apple to act rather than ignore the issue, and that's
good for us customers.
 
Well it is not just AT&T where the death grip problem is happening. But it is more noticeable because of the coverage they have.

Other networks around the world have customers with the problem but since those countries are far smaller and have a more dense population so the problem is really none existent since they are more or less use to full bars everywhere they go.

But good points and hopefully Consumer Reports changes their stance when Apple releases a fix which somewhat addresses the problem or offers a solution (free bumpers)
 
I really wish people would stop calling it the "death grip" issue. I can barely hold my phone, in my right hand, in a normal way and go from 5 bars to drop in a couple minutes at my house. I can "death grip" it at work and not lose anything (even though the signal is only 3-4 bars).

I "fixed" it with a bumper.




ash =o)
 
Other networks around the world have customers with the problem but since those countries are far smaller and have a more dense population so the problem is really none existent since they are more or less use to full bars everywhere they go.

Haha, don't think the US is the only country in the world where you get a bad signal!
 
Haha, don't think the US is the only country in the world where you get a bad signal!

I know :p Go outside the high population areas in Canada (where coverage is always 5 bars) and enjoy the voice only service with 1 or 2 bars and in most cases no data! ;)
 
cmaier said:
+1.

I'm tired of the idea that somehow getting a bumper for free fixes anything. If I wanted a damned bumper I'd buy one. If I buy a Porsche I don't expect that operating it at full speed will require a car bra, even if Porsche gives me the car bra for free.

Quite right. A free bumper would be an obvious kludge. That's not a worthy solution for a company that holds itself out as providing a superior experience.
 
I like CR as well and for the most part their ratings have helped me decide on certain purchases. IMO it takes a lot ballz to recommend something then after further tests, comeback and (eat a little crow) say they don't recommend the IP4, so good for them.

I have had antenna issues with the IP4 and using the excuse that they've sold a ton of them so who cares doesn't make the problem go away. I think that a lot of people aren't even aware of the issue is because their using a headset so their not even holding the phone. Free bumpers are great but your literaly just covering up the problem. If a person buys a phone they should have the right to use or not use a case. I know just as many people who don't use cases for their Iphones as do use them. I use a case, but sometimes I take it off because it hides the beauty of the phone.

I've owned the 1st Iphone and 3G and had to wait for simple improvements like search and attaching pictures to text messages. Those are software issues, this antenna thing isn't. So as much as it pains me I may have to return the phone and jump on the Android bandwagon for awhile until Apple gets their butts in gear and hopefully learn about making the consumer satisfied again.
 
Consumer Reports' statement was mentioned on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams tonight.

As long as the iPhone is on backorder, this is just free publicity (thank you for spelling Apple's name correctly). The issue will likely die down before i4 supply exceeds demand.

The real question is "who in their right mind *would buy* a phone that either requires DUCT tape or a case to work properly".

Anyone with a tape dispenser.

Anyone who prefers selecting their own case instead of whatever generic some manufacturers include in their box.

Anyone with a signal or hold style that doesn't require any of the above.
 
Do you guys seriously think that stocks drop because of a...."consumer report"

Yes. An influential and independent publication issues what can be interpreted as a "don't buy" and that of course has an impact. Even if it doesn't materially off set sales, the day-to-day price of securities is not necessarily that hard headed. Of course analysts will look at this and try and determine how it might affect sales based on similar situations and that may lead to revised guidance, expected sales and earnings, which correct or not, will also impact stock price.
 
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