Excellent considerations. Ultimately, CR was showing in controlled situation that iPhone 4 has issues on any GSM service.
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Consumer Reports 'Can't Recommend' iPhone 4 Due to Signal Issues
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Excellent considerations. Ultimately, CR was showing in controlled situation that iPhone 4 has issues on any GSM service.
This whole issue has gone on long enough. Half the iPhone4 owners have a problem. The other half don't. It's an antenna issue. It's not an antenna issue. It's just a problem with the # of bars being displayed. It has nothing to do with the # of bars being displayed. This whole time, since the very first iPhone, 5 bars was actually only 3 bars all along. It only happens if you grip it a certain way. You do not need to grip it in a vise-like iron grip of death to replicate the problem, as many seem to imply. Buying a bumper solves the problem. Buying a bumper does not help at all. I dont think there is a right answer.
The amazing thing about the crazy Apple fanboys is if this *same* thing happened with Sony, Microsoft, HTC, Samsung, whoever... guess what these *same* fanboys would be saying?
Yup... just like how most of us *sane* folks are saying about Apple right now.
Time to step away from the Kool-Aid.
w00master
Yup... just like how most of us *sane* folks are saying about Apple right now.
Time to step away from the Kool-Aid.
w00master
The same people that would keep their defective phones instead of returning and buying something that works. The same people that would keep it because they are so giddy that it does so many other things great except for what it will be mainly used for.
And again your answer was right, Apple fans.
I'd be more worried if Consumer Reports liked it. Over the years they have consistently rated low all the things I thought were good: Cameras, tires, cars, and even air filters. So I'm not surprised they rated the iPhone 4 low as well.
One thing that Consumer Reports relies heavily on is industry standards. Industry standards are often put together by a committee of manufacturers and so the tests often skewed to make the average products (what most of the manufacturers make) look good and the really good products look bad.
One thing that Consumer Reports relies heavily on is industry standards. Industry standards are often put together by a committee of manufacturers and so the tests often skewed to make the average products (what most of the manufacturers make) look good and the really good products look bad.
There is a right answer
It's spelled A.N.D.R.O.I.D.
If Apple doesn't care about selling usable phones, you have a choice (the Lord God Jobs hates the word "choice").
It's spelled A.N.D.R.O.I.D.
If Apple doesn't care about selling usable phones, you have a choice (the Lord God Jobs hates the word "choice").
The report from Consumer Reports could spur the Federal Trade Commission into action against Apple. The FTC views VERY dimly the sales of a product with such an obvious flaw and Apple's totally arrogant response on how to fix the problem. The last thing Apple wants is an FTC investigation of company practices, because that could lead to investigations on Apple's ban on Adobe Flash on iOS 4 and Apple's programming policies on iOS 4, which could turn very ugly fast and is something that Steve Jobs does not want to deal with.
I do think in the end Apple either has two choices: 1) recall the iPhone 4 or 2) offer a fix--whether by free bumper cases or a free software fix--to affected customers. The latter will likely be the least expensive solution.
I do think in the end Apple either has two choices: 1) recall the iPhone 4 or 2) offer a fix--whether by free bumper cases or a free software fix--to affected customers. The latter will likely be the least expensive solution.
This kind of reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Lisa dislikes her new doll because Malibu Stacey says some sexist things. But to make it all better the company rolls out the same Malibu Stacey but "with a new hat", problem solved.IP4 but with a free bumper, and the crowd goes wild.
Oh please..... has nothing to do with VSWR. Standing Wave Ratio occurs when reflected signals interfer with emitted signals. When you bridge the two different band antennas (wifi/BT and 3G) you are actually changing the impedance of each antenna, thus changing the loading efficencies of each antenna. Multi-path interference is when digital signals are received out of phase. Software can do lots of things but it cannot change the laws of physics.
IF they keep this up ... Android will begin to overtake them in US sales and start reducing shipments and revenue worldwide. Laugh now but the other players are getting smarter and punching hardware with their technologies - RIM is improving not just their browser, but hardware with the 9800 Slider due this fall season; webkit engine is throughout the system and with capacitive touch & keyboard it'll do everything that the Pre was supposed to be. Add to this issues with their ActiveSync implementation affecting Exchange 2003/2007 servers (2010 betas in testing) its NOT helping their ambitions in the corporate and medium size business space.
Apple sincerely needs to swallow the crunch - offer a MANDATORY bumper for customers (1 pkg of 5 colours); then 6mths out offer a hardware recall. This 6mths minimum allows quarterly revenues to STAY intact, profits can be used to fix current production line with the antenna's; and most of the essential parts (A4+batteries+etc can be repackaged if the glass is scratched). NOT to forget that AT&T will have time to boost their network signal ... those 3 class action suits against AT&T & Apple agreement can get UGLY for both ... AT&T better be ready to stop those quarterly bonus/stock options and allow the network to be upgraded and quality to SPEAK for itself ... mitigating the need for customers to switch providers: Churn is a wireless providers WORST enemy!
This will also begin to affect perception of quality and sound engineering in future product lineups for mobile devices.
Fix on the way
I heard that Apple has emailed all Apple store employees with the new party line on this.
When pressed, the Apple Drones at the stores (and the phone-drones at 1.800.apple.com) will say:
Or, maybe not....
So happy that I have a WinMo phone from Verizon that actually works as a phone....
I heard that Apple has emailed all Apple store employees with the new party line on this.
When pressed, the Apple Drones at the stores (and the phone-drones at 1.800.apple.com) will say:
Yes, Apple realizes that the Iphone 4 has an inherent manufacturing defect.
Apple is working on a redesigned Iphone 4 without the problem.
Apple will replace your defective Iphone 4 with the new model as soon as it is available. Please log into Apple Iphone 4 replacements to get into the queue for Iphone 4 models that actually work.
Apple is working on a redesigned Iphone 4 without the problem.
Apple will replace your defective Iphone 4 with the new model as soon as it is available. Please log into Apple Iphone 4 replacements to get into the queue for Iphone 4 models that actually work.
Or, maybe not....
So happy that I have a WinMo phone from Verizon that actually works as a phone....
The way I understand it 90% of iPhone 4 users have ZERO issues whatsoever. Seems like a tempest in a teapot to me.
Only "1)" is reasonable. Apple sells on style - and telling people that they have to use an ugly bumper or case just to be able to use the phone won't fly.
Apple - recall all Iphone 4 handsets and replace them with new models that work.
The way I understand it 90% of iPhone 4 users have ZERO issues whatsoever. Seems like a tempest in a teapot to me.
Hmmmm..... and your source is? If this was the case Apple would immediately says there was some manfacturing malfunction on those "other 10%" and issue new, WORKING units.
Admittedly Apple has kind of boxed themselves into a corner. Up to now it's been aesthetics #1 and functionality #2. Although many Apple fans would insist that Apple has never compromised on functionality - I point out the crippled Mac Mini .
Get a clue about antenna design before you criticize somebody that's been doing it for 20 years. The impedance of your body is sufficiently high as to not significantly affect "loading efficiency" (not really a term in antenna design). The primary mechanism when the human body touches any high frequency circuit is capacitive coupling. Delay lines are frequently "tuned" using a finger because of this. The capacitive/inductive coupling raises the S11, which is frequency dependent version of the VSWR. Because S11 is periodic, you get reflection from each peak causing something that looks very much like multi-path.
Finally, yes software can do many things INCLUDING fixing multi-path.
Not a brilliant antenna design.
Not a brilliant antenna design.
Not a brilliant antenna design.
Today I was in an area of town with lower cell reception, when I received an email from the guy I'm meeting who wants to buy my 3GS. I went to email him a response, from inside Target, and noticed that my signal was terrible. I was holding it the normal way you type in portrait, with a bumper on! I let go of the grip, and the signal went back up to 3 bars almost instantly. I never had that crap happen with any of the three iPhones I had before this. I also notice the thing loves to lose signal when it's in my pocket. I'll pull it out and have zero bars sometimes or 1 bar on edge.
I've said it before, and now maybe some of you rose-colored glasses fanboys will open your eyes. This is an issue! Apple messed up. Let's move on now and get this issue resolved!
I've said it before, and now maybe some of you rose-colored glasses fanboys will open your eyes. This is an issue! Apple messed up. Let's move on now and get this issue resolved!
I'm going to ignore the bold, which really is a tool for weak argumentation.
No, it's not that simple. Why? Why can't I just go and buy another product? This is why it's not that simple:
-I bought an iPhone original. It's a great product.
-I bought many apps that I can't use on any other products
-Apple says I cannot upgrade my iPhone to the latest OS
-Apple has no means of downgrading app versions, except by recovering them from recycle bin. This would be ok with me, if I could save 2 versions of an app. Why? Because I have an iPad, too - which is eventually 4.0 capable.
-iTunes has various annoyances built in to auto-upgrade apps. This is as per Apple strategy to lock you into an upgrade cycle.
-If I move to an Android phone, I've essentially flushed the cost of all the apps I have down the toilet. My $10 beejive license won't transfer over to Android. My $10 office 2 go won't transfer to Android.
I don't think that you think about things like this when you respond like you did. I think that you should think about your responses before you post.
The discussion is not that simple. If Apple is going to insist on App distribution exclusivity, then they have a responsibility to offer an upgrade that is functional AS PER THEIR OWN DEFINITION IN THE IPHONE KEYNOTE:
1. Brilliant antenna design
2. Thinnest smartphone at the moment the Keynote occurred.
Bumper does not equal brilliant antenna design. I don't enjoy the freedoms of capitalism, as you put it, because iTunes is not a free market cross-phone-hardware. So no, LagunaSol, it's not the capitalist way, as you've put it.
It amazes me at the same time it literally pains me how these iPhone fans will ingest all of what they are calling "abuse" from Apple and Jobs, yet continue to remain at the party to take in more abuse. Nobody wants leave the party, this is why it amazes and pains me at the same time.
Here's the same old, same old rants from the dissatisfied iPhone 4 customers yet continue to stay at the party for more abuse:
"I'm pissed that Apple hasn't even acknowledged that there's something wrong with the iPhone 4" (although it was only less than a week since it was released but the bitching started).
"I'm pissed that Jobs told me that I was holding the phone wrong"
"I'm pissed that Apple finally puts out a statement, yet it's not the one I wanted from them"
"I'm pissed that Apple told me to put a bumper on my phone, they should be free" (interesting that most people here who've called in got a free bumper sent to them)
"I'm pissed that Apple didn't care about left handed people and told me to put the phone in my right hand" (isn't your right hand busy sometimes
"I'm pissed because Apple won't extend the 30 day return period after the so-called "Fix"
"I'm pissed that Apple thinks we're stupid by telling us that they are fixing the signal bars when there's more wrong with the phone than that"
"I'm pissed at Apple because they temporarily stopped production of the white iPhone 4".
Do you guys ever hear yourselves? Many of the same people rant about every one of these plus more yet they can simply do one thing to rid themselves of all the stress (Unless they like stress, but I don't), they can RETURN THE PHONE, but why won't they?, because Steve has got them wrapped around his finger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teRloJf6yE
At least those little twinkle's in your eye, developing in the front of your pockets will not born "i" kids with defects
Proper realization. Sad thing is this phone offers SO MUCH that many of us do NOT want an alternative!! IT's the apps and the hardware combination. God help Apple's iPhone 4 business in current state if the competition can leap frog them.
Just... ummm...
Revise the hardware with a non-arcing antennae....and replace our i4's Apple.
Please?
Revise the hardware with a non-arcing antennae....and replace our i4's Apple.
Please?