Please quote me where I said or implied anything like that. Have a good look back I slated those little arseholes.
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Come on Trapezium you should have found the evidence by now.
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Consumer Reports: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Not as Bendable as Believed
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Please quote me where I said or implied anything like that. Have a good look back I slated those little arseholes.
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Come on Trapezium you should have found the evidence by now.
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Relax, guy its been two seconds. I got you confused with all the other chicken littles, apologize for that.
But that brings up another question, based on the video of those two kids do you think it shows the bending to be easily done?
You cherry pick all information to support your agenda, at this point this is personal. Most exchange in this thread lately is about winning some debate, rather than finding the truth. It's about 10 people who keep this thread alive, nothing that is said here have any impact in the world what so ever..
That 10 people includes you, how about making it 9?
Also pls point out my contradictions.
There is a significant difference between a fan and a fanboy.
I am the former, you are the latter.
I was about to, but shared my thoughts in the hope it could become 0.
I didn't say you made any contradictions.
Well let me tell you that nothing here is personal. In addition issues are picked up when people debate them. Apple have been buggers in the past ignoring quality failures until it gets to the point where things start to look bad.
They have the time, money and resource to discount or affirm all of this. If they like they could put together a suite of tests that deal with everything thats been raised here. I wonder why they havent?
When we have a quality issue here at my place we put together some tests and send a method statement out to the client for them to scrutinise. When we have agreement we begin.
If we think one of their tests is a complete waste of time and will prove nothing we may ask them to contribute.
They are present for all tests to inspect prior to and after and sometimes also carry out the testing itself.
If we had an issue of this kind, even 9 unexpected failures, (admittedly our equipment is vastly more costly than a phone), we would be testing in all kinds of ways up to and past the point of normal use!
Sometimes we have an issue and we document and fix it. Its a bitter pill to swallow but we have to do it.
No, you are putting words in my mouth. "Based on past experience, I expect my iPhone 5 will be sturdy enough for day to day use". I never said "My phone won’t break". You made that up.
Furthermore, based on some of the yet unsubstantiated claims, it makes sense to keep on eye on it. I don't think that people are lying, I just am not rushing to judgement unlike some others.
Thus far, I am very happy with my iPhone and I expect that i will continue to be happy.
Hell I'm not saying everyone has to go buy an iPhone 6. Some of you are making some outrageous statements of epic disaster in these forums when the facts at this time simply do not support it.
People can buy whatever device that they like, it's a personal choice.
Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?
You are lying to yourself and not being consistent. I bet you dont check the tyres on your car?
Why, because you have faith in them. You check them in extremes only.
Dont care if youre honest with me but do yourself a favour and be honest with yourself. In fact may as well admit it, youve got no face left to save.
Again I dont check my fiveS at all, despite the bending stories and there were some about. It feels that solid that I dont need to check or worry about it. YOU DO NOT FEEL AS SURE ABOUT YOUR 6 and you know it.
You're not consistent either. You believe one unsubstantiated report over another solely because it fits your narrative. You quote CR as saying iPhone is weaker than all other phones, then you turn around and dismiss (or ignore) that the same CR report you're quoting said the iPhone is more than sturdy for normal use.
Then you turn around and say it should be sturdy for normal use and then some. Do you have the phone? If you do, is it bent? If you don't, then you're the one spouting drivel.
Bendable? How about bent from the factory?
I received my AT&T 6+ 64GB SG today and it is bent. Fresh out of the box.
It is bent upwards towards the screen, not away from it like in all of the demos online. It also has a slight twist in the body from top to bottom (top to home button). Visible in your hands and when placed flat on the table. The camera lens is not part of this un-flatness.
I'm... disappointed. I waited 17 days for this phone, paid $400+ tax and upgrade fees and it's bent. I didn't even get to bend it myself.
I'm gong to call AT&T and Apple (or online chat) and see what they say. Obviously, I'm holding on to it until they can replace it.
I received my AT&T 6+ 64GB SG today and it is bent. Fresh out of the box.
It is bent upwards towards the screen, not away from it like in all of the demos online. It also has a slight twist in the body from top to bottom (top to home button). Visible in your hands and when placed flat on the table. The camera lens is not part of this un-flatness.
I'm... disappointed. I waited 17 days for this phone, paid $400+ tax and upgrade fees and it's bent. I didn't even get to bend it myself.
I'm gong to call AT&T and Apple (or online chat) and see what they say. Obviously, I'm holding on to it until they can replace it.
How exactly am I contradicting myself? And please this time, don't don't make stuff up.
I do keep an eye on my tires actually, because you know, you can run over a nail, a piece of glass or something. Oddly enough just three weeks ago I noticed hat I had a tire going down. It turned out that it picked up an industrial staple. Cost me nearly $50 to fix.
You seem to confuse my having an open mind on the alleged iPhone 6 quality issue with having no confidence in my iPhone 6. Not true. I am not expecting to have any issues with the phone. That's what I said and that's what I have always said. I never said that it wouldn't break. If you apply enough stress, anything will eventually break, even your iPhone 5s. It's all about using common sense.
Apple aren't perfect, but my past experience with Apple seems to indicate that they know how to build a reliable product that can withstand the rigours of day to day use. They know more about engineering than I do.
It appears to me that what you really have a problem with is someone who keeps an open mind on a subject until all of the facts are in.
That sucks. It seems that something is happening for at least a handful of iPhone 6+ devices. Time will tell how widespread this issue is. i understand why you are disappointed.
Shearing force? Okay, I buy what you're saying - I also thought when I saw the internal reinforcements, "Why not one long bar instead of a series of short ones? They could attach it using the same screw holes and the cost difference would be negligible"
Another forum member pointed out the phone might be harder to service, and that's a good point. But I still wondered why the heck Apple left those gaps. I'm not a structural/mechanical engineer but I would really like to know what they were thinking. Then it dawned on me - that the phone may actually need to flex.
I would think that the more stiff/rigid the phone, the worse it would do in drops. Less flex, and more shockwaves would be delivered to the screen, no? That could result in a greater chance of shattering the glass.
Any structural engineers here care to explain if I'm on the right track here? Is that why there are gaps between those reinforced areas in the image above? Perhaps it's a trade off - more flex would be greater chance of permanent bending if pushed far enough, but less chance of breaking in a drop. Just a thought...
No one will believe this, you should be embarrassed for this ********!
17yrs.???????????
Look at what you just said please.
The phone can be weaker than all other phones yet still be strong enough for normal use, the two thing are not mutually exclusive.
My point all along and this has not changed, is that it should be stronger still. It shoudl withstand teh odd mishap even if there is no specific provision for it in the warranty. You need to build in a safety factor as everybody sees normal use differently. They obviously have not done so.
Out of how many, more or less than 10,000,000?
What do you think is considered normal return rate of faulty devices for a consumer electronics company, 0.0% or more?
It's all about trade offs and I'm surprised given what you just said that you are unaware of that, 0.0% failure rate is probably not even a goal, what do you think the price of a phone with that guarantee would be, 10 or 20k? You can see this in cloud providers as an example, no one guarantees 100% uptime because doing so is not realistic, those who attempt to get close is extremely expensive.
9 out of 10,000,000 is not an issue that points to a general flaw or something worth any drama. As an example CreutzfeldtJakob disease (aka mad cow disease) is occurring in humans in one in a million. OMG [
] better lock the doors and isolate myself in a remote area!! Another example, fatal plane crashes due to mechanical failure was 26 in the 2000s.exhibit a) said:
Thanks for pointing it out, I can't see it because of my bias. It's a breath of fresh air to have someone such as yourself with immaculate self-awareness point out my flaws. Again, thank you!
No one is arguing mutual exclusivity...what I'm saying is you're not consistent and you contradict yourself.
Yes, you have an open mind I can see that.
Look, its too weak and you know it.
What kind of company brings out a successor that is weaker than the old one?
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Out of how many, more or less than 10,000,000?
What do you think is considered normal return rate of faulty devices for a consumer electronics company, 0.0% or more?
It's all about trade offs and I'm surprised given what you just said that you are unaware of that, 0.0% failure rate is probably not even a goal, what do you think the price of a phone with that guarantee would be, 10 or 20k? You can see this in cloud providers as an example, no one guarantees 100% uptime because doing so is not realistic, those who attempt to get close is extremely expensive.
9 out of 10,000,000 is not an issue that points to a general flaw or something worth any drama. As an example CreutzfeldtJakob disease (aka mad cow disease) is occurring in humans in one in a million. OMG [
Thanks for pointing it out, I can't see it because of my bias. It's a breath of fresh air to have someone such as yourself with immaculate self-awareness point out my flaws. Again, thank you!
Dont mention it.
It doesn't need to be a lot. It depends what the flaw is. This is a significant flaw for what the device is.
0% failure rate is a goal. That there tells me all I need to know about your thinking. Whether you get it or not is one matter, but you should still aim for it but accept that you may only get ninety something, (or less).
If there are 10,000 bent iPhone's (and there are not, not even remotely close so far), apples success rate would be 99.9%. The sky is not falling.
It can't be, because at a specific point the cost of that guarantee is higher than the cost of replacing faulty devices. I'm not saying it's not a goal to strive for, but chasing that goal at any cost is not feasible because it will affect the price to the point where no one is buying. Given your example, it's no where near ninety something btw, try 9/10,000,000.
I did wonder why none of the big name so called tech sites don't do their own tests
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Well that's interesting. Seeing the inside, there is a reinforcing bar to strengthen the cutouts, but instead of making it a continuous bar as I suggested (or better yet, an i-beam or L beam, or at least a bar that's thicker at the cutouts) they have just short segments, attached by screws. Come on guys- the bend can rotate at the screws. It's like using a bike chain where you need a bar. All they had to do was make one long bar attached at the same points instead of several short ones and the phone would be much more bend-resistant, and a little simpler to produce to boot. I don't get it. There's literally no reason to not make that a continuous bar other than maybe a small fraction of a gram of weight. Instead, most of the weight is there with only a small fraction of the potential bending resistance.
Bending the bar to be L-shaped would've been a huge and simple improvement, too. There's no reason not to.
Bending the bar to be L-shaped would've been a huge and simple improvement, too. There's no reason not to.
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you are wrong Consumer Reports ,
The iPhone "weak" spot is not in the middle , it is near the buttons , and there the phone bends.
when you place the iphone in your pocket the upper part of it bends.
you are using a false test when you are putting the force in the middle.
we are talking about WEAK SPOT here , not the middle SPOT.
try shifting the point and the iphone will fail miserably.
you are wrong Consumer Reports ,
The iPhone "weak" spot is not in the middle , it is near the buttons , and there the phone bends.
when you place the iphone in your pocket the upper part of it bends.
you are using a false test when you are putting the force in the middle.
we are talking about WEAK SPOT here , not the middle SPOT.
try shifting the point and the iphone will fail miserably.
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