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Consumer Reports: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Not as Bendable as Believed

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bmt134 said:
Also clearly sponsored by HTC, Samsung, Nokia and every other company he tested that don't have bendable phones.

:rolleyes:
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I don't think he is sponsored by HTC specifically, but he gets phones and other gadgets for free obviously for testing (and indirect advertisement) purposes like many other similar youtube users too. That's why he also asked about that Samsung phone on twitter probably.
 
bmt134 said:
Also clearly sponsored by HTC, Samsung, Nokia and every other company he tested that don't have bendable phones.

:rolleyes:
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It's sad now this is going to be a thing. Forceably bending phones macliously. To think I use to take these guys seriously.
 
JDookie said:
I bought three 6's (one for myself, my wife, and my mother) and two out of the three are bent. The two that are bent were kept in our pockets. The only one that is still flat was kept in a purse. We didn't even know they were bent because all three of us have cases on them and didn't realize it until I took them out of the cases to show someone what they looked like with no case.
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Yes... You sat on it
 
yansun said:
I don't think he is sponsored by HTC specifically, but he gets phones and other gadgets for free obviously for testing (and indirect advertisement) purposes like many other similar youtube users too. That's why he also asked about that Samsung phone on twitter probably.
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Between him and his posse(inbox therapy, MKBHD, TLD, Jonthan and the even sucked in unravgconsumer)if you look at there room tours they have well over $500k worth of film equipment, gadgetsand free stuff. Someone is giving major dollars!
 
rdlink said:
Let's see pictures, or video...


I have an iPhone 6 that I got on release day, and I have carried it in my pocket every day, including in my back jeans pocket for two of those days. I've sat on it for a minimum of three hours, total in the last week. In the very flimsy leather case. No bending.
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Well, I'd suggest you to stop sitting on it, even if this bendgate is just a ridiculous false issue
 
Max(IT) said:
What a collection of BS you wrote...
I'm quite bored by those "Steve wouldn't do that...", because that's just plain false. Apple did wrong also with Jobs, several times because no-one is perfect, and the whole iPhone 4 antenna drama took place under Steve's direction.
Apple is paying who? Apple doesn't need to pay media. Their products are selling by themselves, in millions.
The bent cases are more on YouTube than in real life, and in that case you can be sure that some are really fake sponsored...
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IPhone selling by themselves? WOW...Just wow... why not save huge budget for advertising and using this money to.make a phone that is not bankable? Apple spending lots of money on advertising...If iPhones truly selling themselves... then there is no need to spend that much money...

Oh I forget... the bendability is feature not defect... I am sorry...
 
JDookie said:
I bought three 6's (one for myself, my wife, and my mother) and two out of the three are bent. The two that are bent were kept in our pockets. The only one that is still flat was kept in a purse. We didn't even know they were bent because all three of us have cases on them and didn't realize it until I took them out of the cases to show someone what they looked like with no case.
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BS show pics!!!!
 
Tony78228 said:
why would that 6 plus bend easier than the 1st 6 plus?
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Yeah, this shows greatly that the test performed by CR has nothing to do with daily use (e.g. front pocket of tight pants) and thus cannot prove that #bandgate does not exist.

iPhone 6 is thinner than 6+ but it's smaller so it can be bent easier in a laboratory of CR but much harder to bend in pants as the surface of 6+ works as a lever.

From what I've seen in the video from Apple testing lab not even Apple was considering the leverage caused by bigger iPhone 6+ surface.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever
 
JDookie said:
All I can say is lucky for you. My mother's phone is way worse than mine, and I didn't take photos while I was at her house yesterday. Mine is only very slight and I can live with it, I'm just going to be super vigilant from now on to not put any pressure on it. Hers on the other hand, is very noticeably bent with the glass slightly pulling away from the frame, and we have an appointment at the Genius Bar on Tuesday (earliest available). I'll get some photos before we turn in the bent phone.

Trust me when I say I was a non-believer as well, until I saw it with my own eyes. And it was a shock because, like I said, we all have cases on them and while in the case they looked fine. It wasn't until I pulled them out of the cases that the, "OH, *****" moment happened.
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Again, you sat on it. Sorry for you, but with all this mess about bendgate they are probably going to give you a new one even if you are the one to blame.

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lzyprson said:
My roommates screen shattered slightly in the area of screen on/off button in his pocket yesterday!!!!

He's not using a case, so maybe that would help a little? But either way - it's pretty much in line with where the 6 plus is bending.

Again,.. This is an iPhone 6
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It shattered by itself, right? :rolleyes:

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JDookie said:
Actually, I joined less than an hour ago. I've been a fan of this site ever since I bought my first iPhone, which was a 4 (and I've owned every model thereafter) and until now I just read the articles on whatever was going on with Apple. In this instance I thought I would add to the conversation since I have first hand knowledge of it happening to two phones and just because I'm "new" you want to discount my claims and call me a troll. Believe whatever you want, or not, doesn't really matter to me, but just because someone is new doesn't mean they aren't telling the truth. The bottom line here is Apple made these phones too weak, and that's that.
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The bottom line here is you are not supposed to sit on a phone, and that's that.

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AppleScruff1 said:
Prediction: The iPhone 7 will be triangular since it is the strongest geometric shape. :D
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Maybe a sphere? With a fantastic curved display copied from the "revolutionary" Note Edge :D
 
rGiskard said:
From iFixit's teardown, here are the internal reenforcements.
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Note that Apple chose to use a series of short steel plates in lieu of a single continuous steel plate. Had they chose the latter, the phone would not have pivot points at the ends of each plate.
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I realize my question will probably get lost amid the noise of mudslinging and personal attacks on this thread, but in case it doesn't - can anyone with an engineering background explain WHY they chose to do short reinforcements along this side instead of one long steel bar (that would still be attached using the same screw holes)? Is it because of potential expansion? Radio reception? Why the gaps?

Seems to me that the material cost savings are negligible from doing the short reinforcements with gaps, vs. one long one that runs the full height of the phone - so I just don't understand why Apple engineering didn't go with a full-length steel rod and attach using the same holes. Had they done so, wouldn't the "weak spots" disappear?

Wish I knew more about engineering. Usually there's a reason for everything so I'd really like to know what the reasoning was behind those reinforcement gaps.
 
osofast240sx said:
It's sad now this is going to be a thing. Forceably bending phones macliously. To think I use to take these guys seriously.
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But I believe it will have little impact on sales. Will it be addressed at the next WWDC..mm yea probably but I don't think there will be anything further. I don't think anyone is going to "not" buy the 6 Plus now.. I could be wrong with all of this but its my intuition.
 
dotme said:
I realize my question will probably get lost amid the noise of mudslinging and personal attacks on this thread, but in case it doesn't - can anyone with an engineering background explain WHY they chose to do short reinforcements along this side instead of one long steel bar (that would still be attached using the same screw holes)? Is it because of potential expansion? Why the gaps?

Seems to me that the material cost savings are negligible from doing the short reinforcements with gaps, vs. one long one that runs the full height of the phone - so I just don't understand why Apple engineering didn't go with a full-length steel rod and attach using the same holes. Had they done so, wouldn't the "weak spots" disappear?

Wish I knew more about engineering. Usually there's a reason for everything so I'd really like to know what the reasoning was behind those reinforcement gaps.
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I'm guessing it's just space considerations. Everything's packed in incredibly tight.

Or it could be serviceability? It looks like you have to remove the "bridging" bar to replace the volume buttons. Looks like 2 screws. So if the bar ran the entire length of the phone, it would be harder to access all the screws needed to attach it securely (prob 5 or 6) for optimal bracing.
 
i am all in favor of blaming the iPhone and saying that girls should continue to wear tight pants. all in favor, vote up
 
Arran said:
I'm guessing it's just space considerations. Everything's packed in incredibly tight.

Or it could be serviceability? It looks like you have to remove the "bridging" bar to replace the volume buttons. Looks like a couple of screws. So if the bar ran the entire length of the phone, it would be harder to access all the screws needed to attach it securely (prob 5 or 6 screws) for maximum bracing effect.
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Looks like there's space to do full-length (from the photo) on both sides, but you may have nailed it with "serviceability" - You'd definitely have to spend longer detaching the full bar to get at the switches. Good point.
 
H2SO4 said:
No. A well established poster could easily be a devout Fanboy and hence refuse to prove a point by photographing it. That works too see……...

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Nail
Head.
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Well, I'm an Apple user since when... 1989? But you can bet if my new iPhone 6 bends in my pocket without sitting on it I would post it here and all over the net.
 
Max(IT) said:
Well, I'm an Apple user since when... 1989? But you can bet if my new iPhone 6 bends in my pocket without sitting on it I would post it here and all over the net.
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I'm an Apple user since 2008 have owned every single iPhone and every single iPad, I'm on my 3rd MacBook Pro, have Apple Time capsule and airport express

But for sure if my 6 plus was bent by just normal usage and pocket storing I would kick up a fuss and would post on here...
 
McCool71 said:
How about hanzoh - the guy that started the iPhone 6 Plus slightly bent after 2 days-thread on this forum and documented it with a photo where you clearly see the bend from the side.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1785905/

He has been a member since August 2005.

That is around 6 years longer than you have been a member by the way :rolleyes:
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His phone either was defective since the beginning and he didn't realized or he inadvertently sat on it during the busy day.

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AppleScruff1 said:
Go try to bend an M8, a Moto X and a 6+ and tell me which one is the least rigid. Does that mean the phone will bend in your pocket? No.
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The Moto X is hugely thick at 10 mm. I don't expect it to bends at all.
 
Max(IT) said:
Is it so difficult to understand?

This:



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isn't something you are supposed to do with a frakking phone! There is nothing in real daily usage similar to that silly maneuver. Nothing.

Even when you sit on the phone, that is a very stupid move since it is made of glass and aluminum, you aren't pushing on a single spot.

Keep going on with your bashing if you wish...
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That diagram is actually wrong speaking in physics terms.

At both ends you don't have a point load nor a simply supported condition. With the hands your creating a twisting moment at both ends therefor you have 4 forces on the phone.

2 point loads at the back of the phone
2 twisting moments applied to the ends of the phone.

So whoever drew that diagram is wrong.
 
mailboxbetacoin said:
What is the meaning to try to bend it in machines like the one Apple uses to test their phones? Nobody's going to do that at home...
If anything, the hand bending is much more likely to happen than the machine bending (when removing a case for example)

As I previously said, I don't understand why we can't find any real life tests (sitting on phone, bumping into something...) from reputable sources.
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If you are doing anything similar to that to remove a case, you have much serious problems than a bent phone.....

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fmcarv said:
Can prove the Unbox Therapy guy wasn't putting as much force to bending the Moto than the 6Plus...

he does keep referring to the Moto X

Even in his latest video.

Why?

Why not other phones?

Bending paid by Motorola?

God knows...

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You mean the supply chain that live off Apple would bugger Apple...

What's the business sense in that??
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I think he used the Moto X because he had an agenda, but not necessarily by Motorola.
The Moto X is made of plastic, so less prone to bend and more to crack, and it's good 10mm thick! Surely one of the stronger phones in this kind of test.
 
Elijen said:
Yeah, this shows greatly that the test performed by CR has nothing to do with daily use (e.g. front pocket of tight pants) and thus cannot prove that #bandgate does not exist.

iPhone 6 is thinner than 6+ but it's smaller so it can be bent easier in a laboratory of CR but much harder to bend in pants as the surface of 6+ works as a lever.

From what I've seen in the video from Apple testing lab not even Apple was considering the leverage caused by bigger iPhone 6+ surface.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever
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Not surface - length. A surface area can be increased in width to create a largeg surface area, but if it has the same or lesser length the leverage won't increase. The relevant factor here is the plus' length, especially if dumb enough to be in a back pocket, where you're often bending and using your butt as a fulcrum against the lever.

I'm sure apple is aware of this. But they can't fix stupid.
 
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