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Consumer Reports Still Not Recommending iPhone 4

How can anyone actually defend apple in this case. They designed a phone and F'd it up! I love my ipad, mac mini, and ipods but cmon folks!!!!! Apple blew this one.....its not the end of the world.

BTW..How much do you think steve jobs paid for his transplant? Got that liver pretty damn quick.
 
fifthworld said:
I've never liked CR. Their reports and test are useful and I believe honest, but I found that their evaluation of a product is based on criterias that rarely matches mine. I would prefer a simple report of the result of tests, sometimes an education on the characteristic to look for, but no so much emphasis on the recommendation. Their assessment of the iPh4 is just the result of their editorial philosophy.
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Totally agree with you.

My only problem is people bashing an article and CR that haven't even read it. It annoys the hell out of me.
 
thatisme said:
What I find most interesting of all, is that even tho Apple provided ACTUAL HARD DATA backing up their claims that it is MOSTLY a non-issue....
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I didn't see any ACTUAL HARD DATA from Apple, just a few statistics without any description of the methodology behind them.

It was sad - start with the premise that all smartphones have this problem, and cherry pick a few numbers that don't disagree with your foregone conclusion.
 
CR is weak

Steve's voice sounded like a 16th century "true believer" being hauled out of the Tower of London for beheading. The press conference was an over-reaction to some admittedly weak tech politics.

Should have sent Tim Cook out with some dry storyboards and said case is included with every purchase.
 
some facts for a change

1)AT&T logs every dropped phone call and the iphone4
has an increase of <1 per 100
I happen to be lucky and my new iPhone 4 works better than my 3gs

maybe its related to my location?

What Steve was trying to say today is Apple realizes there is a problem!
Even though their analytical information shows the problem is limited to small number of users they still care and are being responsible to those users who are having problems. If you listen to his presentation carefully he states at this time the only solution apple has is to offer your money back or a new case!.
He states that Apple is working on new hardware designs to fix problems inherent in all cells phones, to improve antenna function and reception. In the future he says Apple hopes to overcome these problems. What else can Apple do for you? They have no hardware fix at this time so they offer you a free case which solves the problem or your money back. He states Apple was aware of these signal drops before the phone was released and felt it wasn't really a big deal. He was right based on the amount of returns and feedback. However it seems as if the media has blown these issues amazingly out of proportion!! I checked today at one time The iphone debacle was the lead story on both CNN and FOX news web sites!
I am pretty sure if Nokia the largest cell phone maker in the world released a phone that dropped signal when you hold it a certain way it would never even make the news!!
The reason Steve showed pictures of the 100 million dollar antenna testing facilities was not to impress people but to show that Apple does careful testing of their products and a lot of thought and engineering goes into these phones before being released he than goes on to say even with this Apple is not perfect! At the release he stressed that Apple's companies main directive is the users experience and happiness and they take this very personally!
If they didn't care he wouldn't have this press conference as you will see on Tuesday Apple sales are off the chart not just the iPhone but every product they make!
I can't remember Bill Gates ever apologizing for Vista or any other Microsoft misstep?
Does this phone have the best reception no way. None of the smart phones are known for their reception it is a trade off. IMO the iphone has the sleekest operating system, best screen and greatest selection of apps
thats what is important to me and the other 3 million users who are happy!
 
It is very simple......

If you don't like the iPhone4 then DON'T BUY IT

If you bought an iPhone4 and don't like it then RETURN IT....NOW


Let see if the return rate will hit the ceiling...Apple very confident that its a small proportion only affected with what so called "Antennagate"
 
rhanley said:
The point is, just because you're not having an issue doesn't mean others aren't. So, when people post they aren't having an issue, people that are having the issue feel like these same people are calling them liars.

Now move to Russia you liberal commie!

Ps. That was a joke 😉
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I've had no problems with call quality or dropped calls on my iPhone4. Works at least as good as my 3GS. Got mine on June 23rd. Had to return the first one due to a problem will the display getting gray lines. My second one works just as good as the first. No call problems.
 
thetoad30 said:
This is my point.

I DO have the phone, I DO like it, but it has a major flaw. The antenna. Why should I have a take it or leave it decision?

Granted, taking it back is now the only option if I don't want to deal with it.

But I shouldn't HAVE to deal with it. And really, neither should any of the fanboys, they're just too damn enamored with Apple to realize that they are getting the shaft just as much as those that are complaining.
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Look, this is something that we're not going to be able to agree on.. you have this problem, several hundreds of thousands(millions)? of people like me, don't. Now, I don't know if you are using a case on your phone or not, I am, for two reasons; 1) I have read that there is an antenna problem if you bridge the small gap, and 2) I am human, and will doubtless at some point, drop my phone, so would prefer that it didn't break. For most people this is such an easy logical solution, others obstinately refuse, and then continue to whinge and whine, ad-nauseum...
 
Crap what am I going to do now, CR does not recommend it and I bought it. It's perfect, i have no issues at all, but CR says they can't recommend it, omg omg omg what to do what to do. I guess i have to bring it back, I mean if CR says it's not going to recommend it, it has to go back!! They know everything, oh wait a sec, the toaster oven i bought that they recommended sucked and broke. The washing machine sucked, the air conditioner sucked. O right, CR sucks, i forgot, phew i guess i can keep my iPhone now.
 
I just don't understand you, guys
Apple brings out a product which THEY think is great. Now it is YOUR decision, whether is is good for you or not. If it's not good enough for YOU, then why spend your money on it? Has anybody ever made you buy it?
Why is everyone expecting Apple to be perfect? They are just NORMAL PEOPLE, like me and you. I just don't get how it isn't obvious, it is so simple! We have freedom to buy what we want and to use what we want!
Why are you guys bother spending your time and money on the phone you don't like. Just return it and let others live in peace for Gods sake.

You can flame SJ as much as you want, but there are no perfect products!! And there won't be any in the future! EVER! DEAL WITH IT!

And if you think otherwise, just try to make one and drop me a message when you have it, I'll buy it!


so much for my first port on this board... i feel sad about this whole issue and especially about people who struggle dealing with it
 
My personal and very crude iPhone 4 FIX; if unhappy, return your phone, get refund and ***** off. 😀

It literally couldn't be ANY simpler. Apple have made something you're apparently not happy with, so get a refund and go elsewhere.

If you're not satisfied with that, you may as well start whining about how Apple don't sell jet packs and how much you'd really reaaaally like one...
 
Plato imagines a group of people who have lived chained in a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to ascribe forms to these shadows. According to Plato, the shadows are as close as the prisoners get to seeing reality. He then explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall are not constitutive of reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners.

Apple Shadows 😕
 
my only question

as stated in my previous post I am very happy with my iphone 4
I did notice one strange thing about todays event.

Did anyone else notice the low number he quoted for iphone 4 returns
was for "the largest reseller AT&T" These are not return number for Apple store which I would imagine is responsible for the majority of phones sold. I wonder how many returns Apple received? I am very surprised none of the media folks have picked up on this?
 
ChrisTX said:
You sir, are cold hearted.
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Why cold hearted? His money helped him leap frog many people on a list to get the transplant. If you dont believe that you are naive. Ask the people who died waiting for a transplant while steve got one in weeks. Nice to have money. I wonder if the surgeon got a free Iphone. If he did at least it didn't have the death grip issue.
 
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