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When it comes to objective reviews that are NOT bought or owned by any executive or PR department or competitor Consumer Reports is about the ONLY game in town. The more the Apple fanatics talk of investigating the source of CR's bias the more I laugh (and cry). Go for it, please investigate CR to your heart's content. You might finally learn something about CR and maybe even learn something about your own biases. But then again according to Apple fans only tired old grandmothers care about objectivity, transparency, and introspection. Whose grandmother is sexier than a PR-spewing megalomaniac like Steve Jobs?
 
I usually trust CR and I often check it before a major purchase. I think consumer reports have lost their mind in this case. The right wording is, 'We recommend the iPhone 4. Use it with the case provided free of charge by Apple. This recommendation stands till end of September when we will reevaluate our recommendation based on Apple's reevaluation".

I do not know why CR cares if Apple refunds those who already bought third party cases. The recommendation is about tomorrow and not yesterday.

If they had said that as part of their consumer advocacy charter to protect those who paid money to get the third party cases, I understand that. But not as part of their product evaluation.

Nuts!! Just plain nuts!!
 
So are they going to ban the other phones that exhibit the same behavior also. No because then they would be realizing they have no clue what they are doing.
 
The people that are mad at consumer reports are providing me with much laughter this evening. Keep fighting the good fight for a major corporation. Corporate advocates are much needed in this day and age.

Posted from my iPhone 4.
 
Who cares if Consumer Reports recommends the iPhone 4?

I'll buy one on July 30th and get my free bumper. I'll put it on if I have a problem while holding it naturally and I'll return it if the problem still persists.

Well, that was easy!
 
We don't care about losing signal, or attenuation. We DO care about losing calls and data transfers just from holding the damn thing.

:confused: What do you think losing signal or attenuation are about? You and others are screaming well against the hard data presented today. Now, even with millions of naked iPhone 4's, drops are less than 1 more than 3gs per 100 calls. Steve said they're not happy with even that number and will continue to investigate but that's the data. If you don't like your phone, don't want to try it with the free case, return it and MOVE ON.

The Sept 30 date makes perfect sense. By then they'll have loads more data from real world costumers and their cellular partners about drop rates and any problems. That will tell them if the free case is sufficient, if it needs extending more, whether they can do something at the manufacturing point, or, perhaps, they'll have learned something new.
 
the test

Wouldn't a better test of the iphone would be to compare it to 3 similar models
in real world use by testing the phones in various locations and log the dropped calls?
 
To have these bars drop in NYC, one has to really be gripping the phone, smothering the left side of the phone. REALLY. who really holds a phone like this. This whole time wasting supersized spin of an iPhone story has uS waaaay to concerned with a pretty redundant issue, the phone is not perfect but nothing is. I enjoy it's quality, let's Appreciate and move on. On wifi it works great, what's the problem here, consumer reports needs reports about IT's relevance. Ultimately apple has VERY descent products, hopefully they keep their integrity and also continue to respect the integrity, privacy and humanity of it's consumer base, which happens to be exponentially growing at rates never seen before. Apple has a much wider responsibility as a premium high end formerly niche international computer and tecnology company, now growing into the ubiquitous cell industry which worldwide and enmasse has gotten it's BITTEN apple glowing logo into more hands and minds than ever before...bli ayin hara
 
Argh. I'm torn.

I'm buying the iPhone 4 anyway, I said so from the beginning and I stand by it. I have reservations about condoning half-assed designs by voting for them with my wallet, but... principles be damned, for once.

I also felt a wee bit sorry for Steve today. I think he genuinely believed most of what he said, and free bumpers may be a band-aid but it's an acceptable compromise given that the antenna is what it is and it's not going anywhere until next summer. Consumer Reports is being a little unfair. Not entirely, but a little.

But if I do buy the phone and I do consider Apple's compromise acceptable given the circumstances, I side with the drooling shareholders and the creepiest community on Earth after the Scientologists. The Apple community is a hideous scarecrow in Apple's garden and I don't want to be contaminated by its zombie rabies super-AIDS.

Maybe they'll stay back if I put the iPhone in a Android case? That should work like a garlic necklace, right?

One black 32 GB please.
 
The people that are mad at consumer reports are providing me with much laughter this evening. Keep fighting the good fight for a major corporation. Corporate advocates are much needed in this day and age.

Considering Apple adopted Consumer Reports own recommendation - Steve showed a slide quoted CR that "a bumper solved the problem" - it's a douche move of them to not recommend on, in part, a technicality like why doesn't Apple refund cost of 3rd-party cases too which NO ONE would do.
 
When it comes to objective reviews that are NOT bought or owned by any executive or PR department or competitor Consumer Reports is about the ONLY game in town. The more the Apple fanatics talk of investigating the source of CR's bias the more I laugh (and cry). Go for it, please investigate CR to your heart's content. You might finally learn something about CR and maybe even learn something about your own biases. But then again according to Apple fans only tired old grandmothers care about objectivity, transparency, and introspection. Whose grandmother is sexier than a PR-spewing megalomaniac like Steve Jobs?

And how many believe snoops.com is objective in their reporting as well?
 
Funny that the only people complaining are the people who don't yet own iPhone4s. Apparently they have no business forming opinions since they are baseless and swayed by media opinion.

This is just plain wrong. If you read the thread you'll notice that there are several people who own or owned an iPh4 with the excessive signal attenuation problem. If you don't read the thread it's you that have no business in commenting about who is posting or who is not.
 
Consumer Reports is a rip off

It's just a matter of who pays these kinds of magazines the most that will level who's getting top picks. I do not pay attention to CR for good reason, and you shouldn't either. It's not a matter of what quality products you should be buying, it's a matter of who paid them off the most to get a yay or nay. :mad:
 
This is just plain wrong. If you read the thread you'll notice that there are several people who own or owned an iPh4 with the excessive signal attenuation problem. If you don't read the thread it's you that have no business in commenting about who is posting or who is not.

Let's be transparent, they said they had an iP4. I could say I have a jet in my front yard and who would know the difference?
 
If Steve's little dog and pony show of cherry-picked statistics and a bumper case can stave off a recall costing hundreds of millions of dollars, then of course it's in Apple's interest to try.

I'm an Apple fanboy, Steve Jobs is my guru, and I love my iPhone 4. I'm not giving it up and I'm not hiding its elegant design inside an ugly piece of rubber.

I also just bought a new Toyota, a company which didn't have a masterfully communicative CEO to talk everyone out of recalls, even in the absence of any data whatsoever that there was a problem. To this day, Toyota never found a problem.

People freak out easily and the press fans the flames to get attention. This crap has been going on for a while now.

Recalls are typically done for safety issues, or when a product simply fails rather completely in a key area. A small loss of signal strength is not recall-worthy.

I subscribe to Consumer Reports. I trust them. They are nonprofit and they go out of their way to be unbiased. They don't recommend the iPhone 4 at this time. I have no problem with that. I need them to be conservative in their recommendations to balance against the hype coming out of company promotions of products. They rated the Jeep Wrangler at the bottom of their list and I bought one anyway and loved it. They were right, it was a horrible car in almost every way. But I still loved it.

I respect Apple. I trust Consumer Reports. And I love my iPhone 4, bar none. Well, maybe not bar none. I'll settle for at least one bar.

So as my Toyota blindly accelerates me to my doom as I death-grip my iPhone 4 and I lose the call with AppleCare in my last seconds of life, I just want everyone to know that I died happy.

I wish I could buy you a beer. I really wish I could.
 
I don't care for Consumer Reports.

I still recommend the iPhone 4 to people and they still buy them. I even show them the signal issue, but if I explain to everyone that it happens on every phone, all of a sudden it's not much of an issue anymore.
 
Obama = Socialism?!

Keep up the pressure CR! Take the fight to these thieves! All the cell phones I've ever used works fine when holding them in my left hand except the iPhone 4.

You've been brainwashed by the tea party and by the way, that's the most insensitive thing you can do is deface the President's face. It's sick and you need help, just like your racist tea party friends.. btw, I need some tea bagging.
 
Let's be transparent, they said they had an iP4. I could say I have a jet in my front yard and who would know the difference?

True... even for people that said they have an iPh4 with no problem at all. But assuming everybody is lying defeat the purpose of communication.
 
This is really getting annoying with consumer reports. Actually a bit contradictory. You say it is #1 smart phone and you do not recommend.
 
again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKIc...m/watch?v=VKIcaejkpD4&feature=player_embedded

The iPhone Antenna Song

Lyrics of the song
there’s an awful lot of hoopla
around the iphone 4 anttenna
when you grip it with the death grip
and you’re call slips away
the media loves a failure
in a string of success
the facts won’t ever matter
if they can make bigger messes
sure i can make it happen
but in terms of daily usage
i’ve yet to drop a call
so this whole damn thing is stupid
and you can call me a fanboy
i’ve been called worse things
but gizmodo just ridiculous
pulling their anti-apple strings
you bought a stolen prototype
get over it and move on
or hey even better
let’s all sing this song
 
in Q&A session they said it was less than AT&T's rate, but they didn't give exact number though

I guess the real question is, what number would satisfy you?


OMG, I can believe I've been so wrong.:eek: Guess what? I was trying to add return rates from AT&T, Apple Stores, online sales, Best Buy, etc.:eek: Only now I do realize the global return rate is less than 1,7%! :D
 
CR are milking this for everything it's worth. The 'can't recommend' headline is pure link bait.

Are people so blind as to realise what CR are doing? all publicity is good publicity and they're milking it dry.. if they recommend it.. no more hits.. no more name in the headlines.. so of course they're not gonna recommend it?!

Apples proved that all phones have the same issue.. and the facts are there in relation to dropped calls compared to previous iphones..

If you don't like the new iphone.. stop the moaning and just swap it in already..
 
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