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Consumer Reports Still Not Recommending iPhone 4

firewood said:
I'll give you 3 guesses who organises all those drug trials and submits all the statistics and data from those tests to the FDA.
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True, but the drug testing is done by independent doctors. And the FDA is presented with very thorough data. All we were presented with were displays of bars, when a overly hugh hand was smothering different phones. No db data, no upload/download data rates, etc. Very simplistic.
 
News Flash

I just discovered that if I hold my finger over the camera lens then the photos come out really dark. I tried this on two different phones and got the same result. Sounds like an engineering defect to me.

Suggestions:
1. Duct tape my fingers together so they don't cover the lens.
2. Apple should design a free bumper that prevents dummies like me from touching the lens.



PS: Not my original idea. Saw this on another site.
 
neutrino23 said:
I just discovered that if I hold my finger over the camera lens then the photos come out really dark. I tried this on two different phones and got the same result. Sounds like an engineering defect to me.

Suggestions:
1. Duct tape my fingers together so they don't cover the lens.
2. Apple should design a free bumper that prevents dummies like me from touching the lens.



PS: Not my original idea. Saw this on another site.
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Oh yeah, the classic strawman argument. Good job !!! lol
 
Full of Win said:
At least CR shows you the phone display in its test methodology. Also, Apple has a stake in if you believing them, CR does not. Clicking them does not help them gain revenue, since they don't do ads to stay impartial.

Also, just because a lab looks big and impressive means nothing if those doing the testing have an agenda to save Apple BILLIONS.
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Aside from the hundreds of thousands of dollars CR has allegedly received from special interest groups, in violation of its own stated poplicies, its only source of income is subscriptions. Which, one would expect, would be significantly increased as a result of the huge increase in traffic to this site as a result of the AntennaGate controversy. So, who did you say had the most to gain from this?

If you need additional evidence to call into question the validity of CR's claims, you could check out the blog from this electromagnetic engineer. Finally, you might want to read the article published by Anandtech, which showed that although the iP4 was more susceptible to attenuation than the iP3, it also had better reception for weak signals than the previous model.
 
Not happy with the case/bumper.
I can't use the craddle or my bose speakers unless I remove the case or bumper crap each time. If you ever saw those bumbers, they are cheap piece of thick rubber. :p
 
cmaier said:
You miss my point.

If the number was way more than .55%, we'd never know the number.
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Fair enough, but theres no way that everyone else was waiting for this announcement. Guaranteed, most people like myself just aren't having any problems.
 
How can you take Consumer Reports seriously when they rate the iPhone 4 the highest smartphone ever, yet they don't recommend it? Idiots.
 
BlondeBuddhist said:
Good Luck with that "playful poking"

I was suspended a week for saying beamers was acting like an imbecile and looking like one. Didn't actually even say he was one. Just saying.

Blonde Buddhist
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I guess it just takes the 'wrong' person to read a post and report... I'll ride it out to the end ;) ... even if the end is near :mad:
 
AZREOSpecialist said:
Based on 1.7 million sales on launch day, you'd think Apple would have sold more than 3 million in 3 weeks unless sales have slowed down.
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Sales have slowed down because stock levels went down. Not demand. At least not in LA where 5 out of the 5 stores I went to, just this week, said it's unlikely anyone would be able to walk in and buy an iphone 4 for at least a month since the wait lists are so long (although they wouldn't give me actual numbers)
 
kuaiyouming said:
The 1.7% number is tainted. Jobs said that the data came 3 days ago. That's only about 2.5 weeks into the return window iPhone 4 for the earliest of recipients. Many people were also waiting until the press conference to make a decision and people will usually return something at the end of a window (i.e. close to 30 days), not at the beginning. Also, iPhone 4 was compared to the 3GS, which as been around for over a year. The mere difference in ranges alone invalidates the comparison, while the small time sample on the iPhone 4 invalidates the 1.7 figure. So basically, the number reported is meaningless. I guarantee that tonight the number is already higher than 1.7 and that it will rise above that mark over the lifespan of the iPhone 4.
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The keynote slide had the following: "ATT return rates for early shipments." They're not stupid enough to compare apples and oranges.
 
afireintonto said:
Who cares?
I listen to the reality distortion field.
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Of course you're trolling. Collectively you trolls are doing far worse than distorting reality - you obliterated it completely in a flame of apple hate mixed with an inordinate amount of juvenile deliquecy - we got to come up for a new phrase for how all these bamboons see reality.
 
Exactly!

aiterum said:
free cases? apple is so scraping the bottom of the barrel. Of course CR shouldn't change their recommendation. If you have to get an accessory for the product to work like it is "supposed to" in the first place, then I don't see why that would change their recommendation. Say what you will about the whole issue of this being something for smartphones and whatever unavoidable problems, that still does not make it relevant for the people reviewing it. If it is something unavoidable in the way it's designed, then of course they shouldn't recommend it!
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+1 This.

Luckily I am one of those iPhone 4 owners who can replicate the problem but have not experienced any negative effects, yet. But if I did experience more dropped calls or data loss while naturally holding my phone and trying to use it like it is suppose to be used, I would not be completely satisfied with this resolution. Yes a case does solve the problem, but I should not have to use a case to use a product as it is advertised.
 
* Samsung I9000 Galaxy S:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k

* HTC Evo Signal Attenuation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pj2YBYTbag

* Droid Incredible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDE941PzQk

* Droid Incredible (With Network Extender in Room):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpEQH9_A5jw

* Nexus One:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIA_lMwqJA

* Nexus One vs. iPhone (start at 1:29):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvMoV4_C4aA

* Nexus One (after Google's update to correct):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54

* Nexus One:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g

* Android G1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDaxhjUs9M


* "Major signal degradation when Nexus One is picked up" (N1 Thread on On this Problem):
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=34ae2c179184c33e&hl=en


There are plenty of counter examples for not only those phones but also the iPhone 4 by people with strong coverage who cannot make their phone fail. As SJ in Apple press conference noted, the formula they used before made it seem like there was a dramatic drop when it was already a weak signal to begin with.

Will Consumer Reports also recommend not getting these phones too or are they biased?
 
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