Consumer Reports Still Not Recommending iPhone 4

[Treefu]

Apple scerewed up. Boo-effin-hoo.

That they did. But if your design puts a trigger right in the middle of the users hands you sort of deserve more than a few jabs...

But it is indeed overblown in terms of seriousness. And everyone complaining because iPhone 4 got best scores from CR but not a recommendation? Talk about entitlement issues... It haz to gots it all!

 

[mackhydr4]

Then his issue with the phone isn't the one that CR is talking about. That any coating that prevents the 2 antennas greatly helps has been known since the first day it was discovered. You want to remove the problem CR is talking about and THEN be REALLY down to the issue of mass attenuation of the signal you'd coat the edge in continuous plastic.

If the gap is covered the huge attenuation experienced by touching a single finger to the naked gap doesn't occur, i.e. the problem that CR says prevents them from recommending the phone doesn't occur.

This convenient meandering from topic to topic trying to 'win' rather than arguing for what's true is what makes people resort to the term 'fanboy'.

Quit being an advocate for  and become one for truth and you would be much more convincing.

I said perfect- That means no issue to complain of. Which is not going to happen.

and quit being an advocate for the opposite side. It's just as bad.

 

[mackhydr4]

That they did. But if your design puts a trigger right in the middle of the users hands you sort of deserve more than a few jabs...

But it is indeed overblown in terms of seriousness. And everyone complaining because iPhone 4 got best scores from CR but not a recommendation? Talk about entitlement issues... It haz to gots it all!

Whether Apple deserved it or not is not really the issue. It's the people who have twisted this whole thing out of proportion (and still do).

and as long as they can't get everyone to agree (that in the end, Apple sucks), they will call you drinking the apple kool-aid or advocate for Apple.

What a crock of sugar-honey-iced-tea.

 

[BobVB]

I said perfect- That means no issue to complain of. Which is not going to happen.

Yes, and who exactly is requesting a 'perfect' phone? Strawman

and quit being an advocate for the opposite side. It's just as bad.

The opposite side of the truth is 'the lie' so I guess we know what side you're on.

CR is talking about a problem Steve didn't talk about yesterday and Steve knew it. Please leave your advocacy for 'the lie' and try the opposite side, really it will do your soul good.

 

[mackhydr4]

Yes, and who exactly is requesting a 'perfect' phone? Strawman



The opposite side of the truth is 'the lie' so I guess we know what side you're on.

CR is talking about a problem Steve didn't talk about yesterday and Steve knew it. Please leave your advocacy for 'the lie' and try the opposite side, really it will do your soul good.

Yawn...

I couldn't care less about CR or Steve Jobs opinion- I'm neither side except for the delusions people have.

Do you honestly think this ranting has done any good other than increase traffic and boost people's profiles?

Again, complaining and getting what you want is one thing. Just posting to push a personal agenda (targeted toward a forum that has no decision power over how a company runs) is a waste of time.

Good and evil? Over a phone? Get a grip.

Ooops, (lol) that's not gonna happen either.

Enjoy your delusion. I hope you've posted at other sites as well. In your head, you have made great progress against the fight over evil forces.

 

[Eddyisgreat]

Apple seems to want to be a company that makes tech stuff for non-tech people

elaborate

 

[songa]

yea i think its been blown out of proportion but i also dont buy into apples explanation. i think they wer just trying to calml the fire. the product is only the flagship for a year anyway

 

[BobVB]

Yawn...

I couldn't care less about CR or Steve Jobs opinion- I'm neither side except for the delusions people have.

Do you honestly think this ranting has done any good other than increase traffic and boost people's profiles?

Again, complaining and getting what you want is one thing. Just posting to push a personal agenda (targeted toward a forum that has no decision power over how a company runs) is a waste of time.

And yet you continue doing all those things, why?

Good and evil? Over a phone? Get a grip.

Who mentioned evil? Doing you 'good' just means try and exercise your capacity for honesty. Sorry that offends you.

Enjoy your delusion. I hope you've posted at other sites as well. In your head, you have made great progress against the fight over evil forces.

Let's see:
I've presented the truth - check.
Successfully refuted the lies without substantive rebuttal - check.
Made another fanboy exit stage right after lighting his hair on fire - check.

Its been a good discussion from my side I have to admit.

 

[mackhydr4]

yea i think its been blown out of proportion but i also dont buy into apples explanation. i think they wer just trying to calml the fire. the product is only the flagship for a year anyway

What do you propose Apple should have done?

 

[srxtr]

For the people who are complaining "why should we need a bumper/case for an iPhone 4 when we don't for other phones?"... do you actually own an iPhone 4?

I think 90% of the people putting down the iPhone don't own one.

You guys are blowing this issue (or non-issue) way out of line. When I went to pick up my iPhone 4 at the store a few days back I was afraid I'd get the antenna problem.

Was relieved to find out I am one of 99.45% users without the antenna problem.

 

[skidbubble]

They would have needed to take this phone out in the wild and use it as a phone for a day and document their results before I would believe anything they have published.

As opposed to the "wild" of Apple's spiky foam room? Nobody sits in a chair on a pole in a hundred million dollar room on a daily routine basis, sorry.

 

[mackhydr4]

And yet you continue doing all those things, why?


Who mentioned evil? Doing you 'good' just means try and exercise your capacity for honesty. Sorry that offends you.


Let's see:
I've presented the truth - check.
Successfully refuted the lies without substantive rebuttal - check.
Made another fanboy exit stage right after lighting his hair on fire - check.

Its been a good discussion from my side I have to admit.

It's been fun talking to you, but I have used up what little time I have.

My only true regret about buying Apple products is having to read this insanity from Apple forums. I do miss the days (if they ever existed) of simply reading reviews and enjoying(or not) the products I purchase.

The purpose of these postings is not really to resolve anything, but to simply annoy, attract attention, and boost site traffic (hence, little or no moderation).

Enjoy!

 

[mackhydr4]

For the people who are complaining "why should we need a bumper/case for an iPhone 4 when we don't for other phones?"... do you actually own an iPhone 4?

I think 90% of the people putting down the iPhone don't own one.

You guys are blowing this issue (or non-issue) way out of line. When I went to pick up my iPhone 4 at the store a few days back I was afraid I'd get the antenna problem.

Was relieved to find out I am one of 99.45% users without the antenna problem.

Unfortunately, very little of the 99.45% will be posting their experience. It doesn't make good news.

As a happy iPhone 4 user, I will also be bowing out of this monologue.

 

[Treefu]

Whether Apple deserved it or not is not really the issue. It's the people who have twisted this whole thing out of proportion (and still do).

and as long as they can't get everyone to agree (that in the end, Apple sucks), they will call you drinking the apple kool-aid or advocate for Apple.

What a crock of sugar-honey-iced-tea.

I'd say Apple twisted it when they were going to teach their users how to hold the iPhone for an oversight of design that is really a non-issue in engineering that didn't exist or whatever. Throw a little speech (and an update) about their relation to bars in there as well and most people will have a hard time following just what the hell they are really talking about.

Yeah, Apple sure did it.

 

[Max(IT)]

Bra-vo! Post like yours make it worth trudging through all of the whining about the whining. Not that I know why anyone with a working product is so eager to tell the world about it - is it that unexpected?

do you know why ? Because the web is full of people like you, storming every tech forum (and "incidentally" signed up after iphone 4 release date) just to bash Apple on a non-existent issue.
They gave us an explanation, and a reasonable one indeed, but people like you are not going to listen to it, because your only target is Apple iphone.

Fortunately (for Apple) out there people are using their iphone with satisfaction, and they have the choice to return it if they don't like it.

 

[Treefu]

do you know why ? Because the web is full of people like you, storming every tech forum (and "incidentally" signed up after iphone 4 release date) just to bash Apple on a non-existent issue.
They gave us an explanation, and a reasonable one indeed, but people like you are not going to listen to it, because your only target is Apple iphone.

Fortunately (for Apple) out there people are using their iphone with satisfaction, and they have the choice to return it if they don't like it.

As opposed to one like you, that bash those you call bashers?

Any way, Apple hasn't said anything about why they chose to put the worst spot to touch the iPhone where most people would get in contact with it. They just blabber on about their good decision of using flawed antenna technology.

Bub, your wires are crossed. Why would satisfied people want to return a phone if it's working for them?

If I want an iPhone 4 - do I have any other choice of hardware than the model they're currently selling?

 

[iJon]

I have noticed that since I updated to 4.0.1 I can't get the bars to drop either using the death grip or normal grip.

All is well on my iPhone.

 

[mixxiah]

Enough Already

It's always disheartening when people show their ugly side. At least it reaffirms us of the flaws in Human Nature. Some just love to Hate and will look for any excuse to do so. A world where true innovation & greatness is mocked and envied instead of praised & revered is a sad one.

Last I checked, MacRumors is a site for those who are passionate about Apple. Many of these Haters probably don't even own a Mac or use an iPhone - what meaningless lives they must lead...

FACT: All Smart-phones suffer the same anomaly; the antenna issue is (for now) inherent in every smart-phone - thus there is No problem; technology is a work-in-progress...

An analogy would be complaining that your car is not giving you 100 mpg - even while you thrash and drive it like you're in the Indy 500 - it's just not going to happen...

FACT: The iPhone is still superior in every way to the previous models and definitely superior overall to other smart-phones.

If you are really that unhappy with your iPhone, please just return it and save the rest of us some time and grief....

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

For the people who are complaining "why should we need a bumper/case for an iPhone 4 when we don't for other phones?"... do you actually own an iPhone 4?

I think 90% of the people putting down the iPhone don't own one.

You guys are blowing this issue (or non-issue) way out of line. When I went to pick up my iPhone 4 at the store a few days back I was afraid I'd get the antenna problem.

Was relieved to find out I am one of 99.45% users without the antenna problem.

And my personal observation has been that of the people who actually own one, 90% of them seem to have theirs in some kind of a case.

 

[Treefu]

An analogy would be complaining that your car is not giving you 100 mpg - even while you thrash and drive it like you're in the Indy 500 - it's just not going to happen...

If the design in placement of the brake pedal is the one thing stopping me from doing 100 mph... I don't know but I think I would like to have the car fixed.

Truth be told, I'm still waiting to see pricing in my country before I decide if it's worth it or not but I'm already slightly concerned since I only will have one choice of model, technically to choose from. That makes it completely their way or no way and I don't like to support bad design decisions with my money.

At the end of the day, it is just a phone and that works both ways (no pun intended).

 

[Digitalclips]

Can consumer report show us their facility where they did their tests on the iPhone 4 and line up all the specialists they have in that field.

 

[Digitalclips]

Unfortunately, very little of the 99.45% will be posting their experience. It doesn't make good news.

As a happy iPhone 4 user, I will also be bowing out of this monologue.

Nooo keep posting. If all happy users blog they will blow away the tiny few who are full time Apple bashers.

 

[mixxiah]

If the design in placement of the brake pedal is the one thing stopping me from doing 100 mph... I don't know but I think I would like to have the car fixed.

I said mpg (miles-per-gallon) not mph...

 

[djpuma]

My iphone 4 still has the problem.

I don't want a free bumper case especially if apple will fix the real problem when they release the next gen iphone. I and many others would really be pissed.

I'm going to take my phone to an apple store, ask for a new one, if it doesn't have the antenna issue (like mine does, very bad I might add) I will keep it, if the antenna issue is still there. I will return both iphones (one for fiance, still unopened) and move to another phone, probably a droid, or hold out for the iphone 5 or whatever is next, but I doubt I will come back to apple for phones.

I own a macbook pro and a mac pro and would never buy a pc, so I'm not some apple overnighter nor am I a fan boy. I go and get the best hardware for the money and if the iphone isn't that than I must move on.

Their conference yesterday did nothing for me, give me a phone that works and doesn't drop 20dbm when I hold it in my palm or hold it in a certain way.
If they can't do that then they lost my business as far as phones go.

 

[law guy]

Yikes - a lot of negativity towards Consumer Reports. That's unfortunate and reactionary. People seem to be taking an independent evaluation of antenna performance very personally.

The CR organizations position makes sense and it was hard to believe that it could have been otherwise after the Apple press event. Even within that event, Apple compared and equivocated signal loss issues between other handset when fully enclosed in a hand - the so-called "death grip" with the issue with the iPhone 4 which results from the light skin contact between two parts of the outer antenna band, a phenomenon that affects left-handed users when using the phone normally. That's what the bumper solves. The bummer puts the iPhone into the same performance issues that occur with the "death grip" but solves the light touch connection issue.

I thought that the Apple comparison was a bit misleading.