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at least you can buy the unsubsidized iPhones... last time I checked we can't in canada.... it's only available on a 3 year plan... so that means if you are tied in and not eligible for an upgrade, you are SOL. Can't even buy it outright.
 
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I am not sure how there can be any confusion on the pricing when you can go to either the Apple or AT&T site, choose either new or existing subscriber, if exisiting give some info and your current pricing pops up along with a future subsidy date. People signed a contract for 2 years, consider yourself lucky if you recieve any subsiby before the 2 year agreement you signed expires. Don't worry about what others are paying, look at YOUR price, if you think the phone is worth it, then buy it, if not, don't.

I, on the other hand still have my original iPhone and did not think the 3G was worth an upgrade a year ago, but now I get the new 3GS with 32GB for a cool $299. I will be styling come June 19th with the greatest phone in the galaxy, while many others, unfortunately, will be filled with unjustified anger. Oh well, better you than me.

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I am eligible for upgrade to 3GS once a year has passed since i got the 3G. I bought the OG iphone on launch day, but couldn't purchas the 3G until October '08. Per AT&T's website, I'm eligible for upgrade pricing this coming october, so for me, it'll be like upgrading after one whole year, just like the transition eligibility for 3G upgrade.
 
I am surprised Apple let this happen.

Think that wont happen? Well look... Apple themselves have said there are 40 million handsets out ther currently, a lot of people who are likely to want an iPhone, already have one.

That part of the Keynote to me was Very Interesting! Notice that Phill did not say they sold 40 million iPhones over that period, "he did say they sold 40 million iPhones and iPod touches". That was done for a reason and that was to mask the real numbers for just the iPhone! Hence, the lopped both products into that count. Anyone else catch that?
 
The problem is that the iPhone now probably costs around $200 dollars to make. Charging people $699 for a phone is outrageous.

http://i.gizmodo.com/229664/iphone-only-costs-250-to-make-rest-of-price-is-fanboy-tax

Its probably made on the same assembly lines. No new factorys to build, no new employees to build it. maybe some training. So yea, it should be cheaper. But if If I have to bay $599 and not extend my contract, I will. But the way it seems people who bought the 3G unsubsidized are getting hosed as well.
 
Just spoke to 02 UK upgrade representative. I purchased an iPhone 3G in July last year around launch and it was found that I have to 'buy off' the remainder of my contract and start a new contract to purchase the new 3GS phone at the asking subsidised rate, which works out to be ridiculously expensive. As it will be December before I am eligible for an upgrade, there's no point upgrading to the 3GS as waiting another 6 months I would get (asuming the 12 month refresh cycle on iPhones) a spanking new model. Software 3.0 will keep me going until then. Disappointing but we shouldn't expect anything less on a contract phone, no other carrier would let you upgrade early for the sake of it.

When your contract runs out in January, transfer to the £19.58 per month Simplicity deal. 600 minutes, 1200 texts and an inclusive unlimited web bolt on, plus you only have to give 30 days notice before you upgrade to the v4 iPhone this time next year.
 
I am not sure how there can be any confusion on the pricing when you can go to either the Apple or AT&T site, choose either new or existing subscriber, if exisiting give some info and your current pricing pops up along with a future subsidy date. People signed a contract for 2 years, consider yourself lucky if you recieve any subsiby before the 2 year agreement you signed expires. Don't worry about what others are paying, look at YOUR price, if you think the phone is worth it, then buy it, if not, don't.

I, on the other hand still have my original iPhone and did not think the 3G was worth an upgrade a year ago, but now I get the new 3GS with 32GB for a cool $299. I will be styling come June 19th with the greatest phone in the galaxy, while many others, unfortunately, will be filled with unjustified anger. Oh well, better you than me.

:D

LOL

Just wait till next year when were video chatting in ichat and your stuck trying to find north with your nifty little compass. :rolleyes:
 
Ok here's what I'd like to know... I purchased an 2G on launch day (unsibsidized right?) and a 3G on launch day (subsidized), that adds up to almost 3 yrs of an ATT contract but only one subsidized phone. So why wouldn't I be eligible for the same subsidized pricing as someone at the end of a 2 yr or even 18 month contract. I think this is a very valid point. Sry if someone else already brought this up but I didn't see any post on this specific point.

it's called getting screwed

I will be styling come June 19th with the greatest phone in the galaxy, while many others, unfortunately, will be filled with unjustified anger. Oh well, better you than me.

:D

god some of you people are ****ing insufferable
 
absolutely superb post, and spot on!;)

I see the point of they earlier post but it is wrong. Well written but wrong. Apple generates its revenue from hardware sales!!! I hate when people talk about itunes and the app store as huge revenue systems. They are there solely to sell hardware. The money they generate goes directly back into maintaining the system.

You bought a subsidized phone from AT&T or O2 that apple makes. You signed a contract with cell phone company to pay back what you owe them. There is nothing owed to you at all. You are the only one that owes something.
 
I bought my iPhone in Nov of 2007 (so 3 months before you). We should be in the same boat as far as upgrade eligibility. I went on the AT&T site just like you did. I am eligible for an upgrade, but the 3GS wasn't a given option.

If you go to the Apple Store you can purchase the 3GS. You should only pay the subsidized price. I ordered mine today, and it says I should receive it on the 19th, although I expect it to ship on the 19th.

I don't feel sorry WHATSOEVER for the complainers with the 3G. I deliberately waited for this new phone to come along and did not upgrade to the 3G because I thought it would be worth waiting for a phone that offered more of an upgrade than just 3G. AT&T doesn't owe you a darn thing until your contract is up (or the few months prior to that). Then, they will offer you some incentive to keep your business. You made your choice last summer. You didn't have to upgrade then. Many of us didn't. You can justify being disappointed or mad that you chose to upgrade last year, but you can't really blame anyone else. Someone made a good suggestion. Sell your 3G. That'll pay for the difference in subsidy.

Basically AT&T isn't valuing your business, they are treating you just as a new customer phone wise. If they let you, after two years of faithful service, get the new iPhone for $199/$299 and NO contract extension. That says they appreciate you. But no, you have to sign up for another 2 years. So what happens in 2010 when the new phone has dual cores and dual monitors and whatever the hell else. I'm sure you won't just be sitting back and saying meh.

As for me, I'll sell my 3G and get the 3GS at full wholesale, fortunatly i don't need 32gb, been fine with 8 for a while. So it'll be like i'm only paying $199, but no contract, just with no backup phone. But the warranty is nice. So in 2010 I wont have had an upgrade, be out of contract, and have another phone that is in high demand. Giving lots of options.
 
Ok here's what I'd like to know... I purchased an 2G on launch day (unsibsidized right?) and a 3G on launch day (subsidized), that adds up to almost 3 yrs of an ATT contract but only one subsidized phone. So why wouldn't I be eligible for the same subsidized pricing as someone at the end of a 2 yr or even 18 month contract. I think this is a very valid point. Sry if someone else already brought this up but I didn't see any post on this specific point.

Because the unsubsidized first-gen iPhone was an aberration and should not be considered the standard operating procedure. When you got the new subsidized price on the 3G, you in effect extended your contract by 2 years. So, while you may have been an AT&T customer for 3 years, you still have some time left on your clock before being eligible for another subsidy. If anything you got screwed the first time around by paying full price and still being locked into a 2 year contract. When you got the 3G, it's not like the contract you signed took effect retroactively the day you signed the contract for the first-gen iPhone. AT&T tried to make this up to you by allowing you to "break contract" (I know it doesn't feel that way to you) without paying the early termination fee and re-sign up under a new contract to get the 3G at a subsidized price. Hope this makes some sense...
 
Its probably made on the same assembly lines. No new factorys to build, no new employees to build it. maybe some training. So yea, it should be cheaper. But if If I have to bay $599 and not extend my contract, I will. But the way it seems people who bought the 3G unsubsidized are getting hosed as well.

yes...the iphone costs only what the sum of the parts cost. There is no development costs...no advertising...no support...no R&D....just add up the flash, LCD, etc. prices and that's what Apple should charge. LOL
 
I'm convinced Apple just isn't going to be able to give the users the experience they'd like to until they own their own cellular network or partner with someone to do it. These clowns just keep throwing their anti-consumer wrenches into the machinery. Doesn't Apple have something like $30B sitting in the bank? How about putting some of that to use? What I'd like to see is someone buy or start up a cel network that simply rents bandwidth by the month and has no ties to any particular device or service.
 
I don't have a problem only upgrading every 2 years. Yes there is a hardware upgrade every year, but but with the last 2 there haven't been anything so huge that I feel like I'm carrying around an ancient piece of technology. I still get the OS update, so I don't have much to complain about. I don't blame AT&T or Apple for not wanting to subsidize a device as expensive as the iPhone every year for whoever thinks they deserve it. They would never recoup thier losses on it. We simply have to play by the rules, what's so hard to understand about that.


It's not the end of the world if I don't get a 3GS, in 12 months something better will come along.

+1
 
Agreed. Seriously people. Apple and AT&T went out on a limb last year and did something nice for you, that doesn't mean you get special treatment forever. If you buy a blackberry and there is a new model next year no one expects to be able to be the subsidized price on it again.

Honestly, I don't think they should have even let original iPhone users upgrade the last time if they got a subsidized handset (as backup or sold for cash)! If they hadn't got a subsidized one then they wouldn't have needed special treatment in the first place.

Oh yeah. We'll we went out on a limb and signed a 2 year contract which means 2000 over the course of two years.

A business is a business and at the end of the day. YOU MAKE MORE MONEY BY ALLOWING CURRENT 3G CUSTOMERS TO UPGRADE AT $199!!!! And ******** if the iphone is $599. The original iphone used to be $599 but it was actually $399 which equals our mid contract subsidized price.

Most of you guys don't get it. It's a contract but it's always ATT / APPLE thats ripping us off. If you think ATT is being "nice" you got are naive as it gets. ATT has been doing this for all their phones because its more effective in the long run to keep in a contract.

It just means ATT won't have my business NEXT YEAR which measn they lose 1000 bucks and verizon or where ever iphone lands will get it. It's smart business to keep your customers happy. ALL OF THEM. That means I want my effin MMS!!!!!
 
I'm convinced Apple just isn't going to be able to give the users the experience they'd like to until they own their own cellular network or partner with someone to do it. These clowns just keep throwing their anti-consumer wrenches into the machinery. Doesn't Apple have something like $30B sitting in the bank? How about putting some of that to use? What I'd like to see is someone buy or start up a cel network that simply rents bandwidth by the month and has no ties to any particular device or service.

I would love to see apple do this but way to costly. I have to add I am unsure what people are so upset about in all of these posts. I have posted many myself. The cost of the phone is ~$599-699 someone has to pay for it if they are using it. Why do people feel entitled to the new latest phone for no money. AT&T makes it possible to pay and upgrade for the phone. Instead of the cheap price that subsidized you get the real price.
 
That's how it works everywhere and AT&T should not be an exception.





the only reason people keep saying this is because they are the people getting the full subsidy. if they weren't getting the 199/299 they would be as angry as the 3g owners.
 
anyone know if i can sell an EDGE iPhone (8gb) that still works great but is pretty beat up for any amount of $ at all? ****ing $499 is ridiculous.
 
I'm not eligible for the subsidized price until December. At that point it's hardly worth buying the newer IPhone, only to be six months away (potentially) from yet the next generation phone. This was a big disapointment for me as I'll most likely just skip this generation of IPhone all together. Very bummed.
 
Oh yeah. We'll we went out on a limb and signed a 2 year contract which means 2000 over the course of two years.

A business is a business and at the end of the day. YOU MAKE MORE MONEY BY ALLOWING CURRENT 3G CUSTOMERS TO UPGRADE AT $199!!!! And ******** if the iphone is $599. The original iphone used to be $599 but it was actually $399 which equals our mid contract subsidized price.

Most of you guys don't get it. It's a contract but it's always ATT / APPLE thats ripping us off. If you think ATT is being "nice" you got are naive as it gets. ATT has been doing this for all their phones because its more effective in the long run to keep in a contract.

It just means ATT won't have my business NEXT YEAR which measn they lose 1000 bucks and verizon or where ever iphone lands will get it. It's smart business to keep your customers happy. ALL OF THEM. That means I want my effin MMS!!!!!

If anyone is wondering why the economy is in the crapper look no further than this post and many of the ones in this thread.

I want everything new even though I haven't paid for it.

Good luck with whatever company you choose. They will all do exactly what AT&T is doing.
 
when I checked the website (apple) they said i would get standard iphone upgrade after 7/12/09. Does that mean I can qualify for an upgraded for the 199/299 pricing?
 
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