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Tiger is 64bit at the kernel level, which is a darn sight more useful than the waste of space XP 64 that nobody will touch with a 10ft pole.
Are you implying that 64-bit Windows does not have a 64-bit kernel?

Windows certainly does have a true 64-bit kernel.

I'm also curious as to how Apple will meet its claim to run 32-bit kernel drivers on 64-bit OSX. The architectural differences between 32-bit mode and 64-bit mode are huge, and swapping modes is not a simple or fast operation.

XP 64-bit is mainly useful for some high end engineering and content creation programs - cases where the software license is often much more than the price of the machine. (Win2k3 Server 64-bit is used in higher end server environments as well.)

Vista will push x64 much more on the desktop. Driver support will be better (although many older devices will not be supported), and those of you who claim "you must buy a new computer for Vista" should realize that all those new computers are 64-bit. Except for the pre Core 2 mobile chips, all the recent Intel and AMD chips have x64 support.

How anyone can look at the 64-bit kludge that OSX has, and disparage Windows 64-bit support, is beyond me.
 
the reason is *expense*

But the Universal Binary architecture already handles the possibility of three parallel binary versions -- 32-bit PPC, 64-bit PPC, and 32-bit x86. I see no reason why vendors won't add 64-bit AMD64 to that growing list as well...
The reason is that it increases engineering, quality assurance, and support costs to add the 4th layer of fat to the fat binaries. The latter two costs are significant.

I suspect that adding x64 will often be done by dropping PPC support, to keep the QA and support costs down.

For most applications, there's little need for x64 support. If a program doesn't need extreme speed, or huge memory allocations - 32-bit will be fine. Most apps that interact with the user or manage file and network I/O fall into this category - you don't need 64-bits to wait for a human or I/O device.
 
i believe that if you plan to update your computer or laptop every 2-3 years there is nothing to worry about with your 32 bit you can just sell it later on and update it as apple value always hold its ground :)
 
This is my first post and third day with the C2D MBP... I am a new switcher from a tiny Dell Latitude L400 and by comparison this machine seems big. I think I would be in the camp of people wanting the 12" MBP, but that's not available and my decision was to get a laptop before Christmas which I will use to finalize my thesis on.

I called the store in Delaware on Tuesday and asked if they have them in stock. Initially my plan was to wait the initial wave in case something goes wrong with their design, but after reading about the delay in shipping from Apple, I realized first reasonable impressions will not come till next year. The store said they are not allowed to tell me if they have much stock, but they guy was like "Today, though, is a good day to come in..." So I drove down from Philadelphia and got myself a new white mac with a free printer (well $100 dollar mail in rebate). 2 GHz, 1Gb ram with 2 Gb in the mail from Newegg.

So far, I cannot say I am impressed, but neither do I think it's a bad machine. I do like OS X, even though now I think it is somewhat of a hard drive hog by comparison to XP. The computer comes with 75Gb HD, and 14 is gone right from the start with the preloaded software. The applications folder is about 4 GB which to me means the OS is about 10, but I maybe wrong. My XP install with MS Office under Parallels took only 3.5 Gb space. So at the end of the day I am left with 50Gb space for my stuff, after also installing most, not all, the software I need.

The system is fast. I compared it to the PB 12" with G4 1Ghz, and the system is fast. However, programs do have a delay after you hit the icon on the dock. In windows they come out right away, even though still not usable for seconds. So time to operation is probably the same, perhaps slightly shorter in Mac, but that delay is just foreign to me.

OS loads really fast, did not take a time, but it goes up within 30 seconds. Windows in Parallels goes up within 30 seconds, which is much faster boots than usually reported natively on a Dell for example. Since I talk about Parallels, I am impressed how fast Windows is under parallels. Basically Windows is much faster then comparative PC with P4 that I have at work. OS X is much slowed down when I run parallels, but windows runs amazingly fast. We'll see when I upgrade to the 2Gb RAM which OS X desperately needs under such conditions...

Back to OS X - I am amazed at the easy install process of applications, even though a bit frustrated with lack of control. I installed Photoshop, and then deleted it by dropping it in trash, which may have been a wrong move. With spotlight I still found like hundreds of files across the system left from Photoshop. So question:

IS THERE A DISK SWEEPER OR CLEANER FOR OS X?

I downloaded Adium, which is great, but not as good as Trillian. I love Keynote. I did not play yet with iLife much (remember I come from a PC, and actually I represent the PC commercial - those are fun things, I need it for work... The reason I went to Mac is for it being much more stable, less viruses, less adware risk, and at the end, the way things are done at the processing level make sense to me. I hated the registry which lately was forcing me to erase the hard drive and put clean copies every 6 months. Even though XP with SP2 has done huge moves to avoid spyware and viruses, so in the last 6 months without antivirus protection full time I never had a virus or spyware. Still the systems bogs down and slows down with time.).

IMPORTANT: Heat issues I believe have been solved, even though they bother me. At start computer always iddles at 48C, right now running a couple programs like Firefox and the temperature sensor the computer is at 52C. The fan is on even though very subtle, so you can barely hear it. If I start parallels, the systems goes to 62C or so, no change in fan speed. However, from 62C with time on the machine it slowly climbs to about 68-70C. That's when the airplane takes off, and I really mean it, it sounds like an airplane takes off... That forces the sensor to quickly go up to 73C and then the airplane goes on till temperature drops to low 50s. From there on the system never goes under about 55-59C, and with time, even if running minimum things on, it stays at those temperatures. The bottom of the case never goes beyond 33C, in fact that seems to be standard temperature for it. The temperatures I am talking about are CPU diode with the individual cores being slightly lower. The range of temperatures is usually 48 min and 72-73 max, even after running multiple things.

So, this computer is NOT HOT compared to even my P3 12" Dell which is scorching. THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THE AIRPLANE - at home it does not bother me, in fact I'm happy it keeps things cool... I am just concerned with it taking off while I am in a meeting. Of course I will need to do much more work on it to know exactly what the appropriate temperatures would be, as the last couple days I've been installing stuff - oh yes, when I install something, temperatures right off go to like 70 and the airplane comes on... I don't know if this is just a OS X dependent thing.

Also, in principle, even though not really, it bother me that I have the fan running on, even though very low, right now when all I have on is Firefox and the temperature reading program. Temperature now at 53C (slowly climbs on about 1C every 30 min of use if just peacefully browsing? True for the initial time, even though the climb stops at about 58C, from there requiring something more to push it over)

Another negative point - the superdrive is the loudest thing I have ever heard. I have not played DVDs yet, but when installing things, it is very loud.

Overall, I like it, there's much more that I need to do to say that this machine will work for me, but I have another 11-12 days to figure that out. I still think maybe I should have got a Dell, but that's normal considering my PC background as I started using them with MS Dos with HD of 1MB (that's right) and 10Hz processor. So, in Windows, I am able to take it all apart and make it really fast (I feel that for basic running, my 700 MHz P3 will outcompete the full of stuff P4s at over 2 Ghz out there that my friends have...)

I'll report back on everything else going on. I hope I did not deter switchers from joining along. It is a great machine, build quality is very good. I would have liked if they used smaller bezel and smaller form factor for the 13 inch as there is way too much plastic around the screen and the keyboard, but few PCs have that form factor, and they usually loose in performance due to using more stream lined processing hardware...

I love the two finger trackpad, as minimized what I have to do. Two finger click, two finger scroll, it's amazing for a trackpad. I no longer need two hands for those functions... The trackpad is great, sometimes finicky, but very good compared to what I used previously.

Keyboard - still getting used to it.. Keep missing letters in my text, even though 1 in 100 probably or even less... I'm getting used to it. This is the first long text I typed on it...

Anyway, I'll report back as my experience moves along.

PS. What is the warranty for Apple... I am still concerned with Random Shut Down etc down the road let's say couple months from now. Limited phone is only 90 days. The rest is 1 year. Will they take care of it if it comes down let's say 10 months from now? Please explain...

Also, for those in science - I use Ref Manager extensively... As far as I figure, there's not Mac version of it.. What do you suggest?
 
Omg what a long post ^^^ but that is almost the same situation as me. I drove down to Delaware, I got a MB 6 days ago and the stupid Apple employees never told me of MB C2D and so I'm going back to return this dead right speaker MB for a C2D MB. Plus I gotta return 2GB RAM from NewEgg since Apple now charges less for 2GB and I got a 120GB Seagate at home waiting for a new home. :mad:
 
Romulus (is there a Remus in your life), consider actually running Windows via Bootcamp for those apps for which there may be no Mac equivalent.
 
did you check it under windows xp? and are you sure because i havn't read anything about it that people are sure its a pre-n if it is its AWESOME :)

Yep, that's what it said in XP.

I only did a quick search to see that the model was pre-n, so you may want to double check that.
 
That's pretty much what Multimedia said too and seems like a good idea. But what about the OS? I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Windows guy and would have an idea about how to clone Windows from one drive to another (activiation issues notwithstanding) but what would one do with the Mac? Would it be an easy job simply to buy a stock model and switch out the drive to a third party drive, and having no OS issues?

Forgive me is this seems a daft question; I've never had a Mac before!

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It's very easy and there's two ways to approach it... One is to use a program called Carbon Copy Cloner, which you can download off the net. It will clone your system drive (or any other) to an external or other storage volume. And then you can clone back to it later if needed. But since this is a brand new system, just pull it out of the box and swap the drive with the new one. Insert the OSX disc and power it on. I think you need to hold down the C key while the system comes up so it will boot from the CD, but there you go. It's very easy to install and get going. You'll find that OSX is very similar to Windows and most things work about the same. The two biggest things that throw windows people for a loop is the window controls (close, minimize, etc..) are on the left side instead of the right and when you click the close button on the window, it closes the window, but not necessarily the application itself. So you will be doing a lot of Cmd+Q or choosing to close/quit from the applications' menu.
 
Swapping HD's

It's very easy and there's two ways to approach it... One is to use a program called Carbon Copy Cloner, which you can download off the net. It will clone your system drive (or any other) to an external or other storage volume. And then you can clone back to it later if needed. But since this is a brand new system, just pull it out of the box and swap the drive with the new one.


My first mac is on its way, it is a white C2D 2.0GHZ with 2GB, I didnt upgrade the HD, and your post makes me curious about doing that myself. but I have some questions...

most important, does replacing the hard drive myself affect the warranty?

Also, I may be installing boot camp and windows in the future, is it realistic to do that on an 80GB hardrive, or would more space be recommended?

thanks for your replies!
 
IS THERE A DISK SWEEPER OR CLEANER FOR OS X?

Not exactly that I have seen, but there are apps like Monolingual which remove unneeded system language files and PPC binaries from Universal apps. It can save you a bit of space.

I downloaded Adium, which is great, but not as good as Trillian.

You really feel that way? I have an iBook, Windows desktop, and a Linux desktop, Adium is one of the main reasons I prefer using my iBook over the Windows and Linux desktops. I was introduced to multiple-IM in Trillian, was impressed with GAIM, but Adium X is definitely one of the best applications of any sort I've ever used. It's improved with the latest beta, so if you're using .89 you may want to try out 1.0b14 and look at the Adium Xtras site.
 
Also, for those in science - I use Ref Manager extensively... As far as I figure, there's not Mac version of it.. What do you suggest?

Endnote. Now available in version X (10) and, as I understand it, you can drag n' drop pdfs of your favourite articles stright in, and it will do all the citation stuff for you. Cheap if you're at an educational estabishment, probably.
 
I'm in a similar boat. I can afford the top MB or the entry level MBP (just). I'm not a gamer but I do want to do a alot of video editting, initially using the iLife suite. Will the MB cope? Forget about screen size etc, are there any advantages to going for the MBP?

I have the newest Macbook Pro; but if the smaller size appeals to you I'd say go for the Macbook. Also, while you say you'll be "initially using the iLife suite", I suspect you'll find it'll do what you want longer term as well - iMovie and iDVD are really quite nice apps.

If you have an Apple store nearby you can almost certainly try out iLife on the Macbook, to make sure the responsiveness suits. I doubt there'll be any real issue though.
 
Someone earlier seemed to really prefer the form factor and size of the MacBook (as do I by a long shot) but was concerned the MB might not handle all of the iLife video editing. From my experience with previous gen models, this is not even the remotest concern. I would imagine the C2D MB will scream with any iLife application.

I don't remember who posted this point, but my advice would be go with the MB given all your other preferences! I would have no problem paying the fairly minimal price difference for the MBP if there was any reason for me. To me a smaller laptop is the premium product. I never game on my Mac, and pretty much only use iLife stuff. I can't wait for my MacBook. I will miss the smaller 12"PB, but the widescreen will be awfully nice. I can't imaging going any bigger with a laptop, unless it is a desktop replacement.
 
I have ordered a my first Mac :D a Macbook for delivery must wait 3-4 Weeks !!!!!!:(

But i´m happy.

micormarcie hase posted some picks i look it al days.

One question to one who has the new MB.

You feel any diference with the heating problem like the "old " MB?
 
IS THERE A DISK SWEEPER OR CLEANER FOR OS X?
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PS. What is the warranty for Apple... I am still concerned with Random Shut Down etc down the road let's say couple months from now. Limited phone is only 90 days. The rest is 1 year. Will they take care of it if it comes down let's say 10 months from now? Please explain...
Spring Cleaning is a great file management utility.

AppleCare (unless you buy the extended 3 year package, which may be advisable for a laptop) covers all hardware issues for 1 full year. Apple just won't provide telephone support under the basic warranty if you have trouble installing Office Universal Binary 10 months from now.

Enjoy your new Mac, and welcome to the MR community!
 
XP 64-bit is mainly useful for some high end engineering and content creation programs - cases where the software license is often much more than the price of the machine. (Win2k3 Server 64-bit is used in higher end server environments as well.)

With all due respect, 64bit XP and Server are both a joke. Any business that has the slightest clue will go with Linux if it ever takes the 64-bit server route. Linux has already been 64 bit for years, OEMs have been making drivers for it since the early 2000s.
 
Where did you read that FALSE INFORMATION?
Nothing could be further from the truth.

Please remember to always read the MacBook specs on the Apple site before you believe such blantant mis-information.

"Extended desktop and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 by 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colors"

"Supported resolutions: 1280 by 800 (native), 1152 by 720, 1024 by 768, 1024 by 640, 800 by 600, 800 by 500, 720 by 480, and 640 by 480 at 16:10 aspect ratio; 1024 by 768, 800 by 600, and 640 by 480 pixels at 4:3 aspect ratio; 720 by 480 at 3:2 aspect ratio"

It supports up to 1920 x 1200 Apple 23" and DELL 24" Monitors. BTW you do understand the DELL 24" is only $719.10 right? Plus some of us here think it is much better than the Apple monitor for numerous reasons. You might want to look into it and cancel your Apple 23" order.

And Multimedia continues with his blatant Dell advertisements...:rolleyes:
 
Back to OS X - I am amazed at the easy install process of applications, even though a bit frustrated with lack of control.

You only have had your Mac for only a couple of days. Give it some time till you adapt to the new workflow in OS X and you will be much more amazed at how arcane you used to compute in the past.

This "lack of control" feeling is very typical when switching to OS X. I switched to OS X from Linux. So you can imagine how much I was frustrated about losing my ubergeek abilities to play around with config files.

I downloaded Adium, which is great, but not as good as Trillian.

That is a pretty bold statement but you are excused :). Just give it more time and report back.

I did not play yet with iLife much (remember I come from a PC, and actually I represent the PC commercial - those are fun things, I need it for work... The reason I went to Mac is for it being much more stable, less viruses, less adware risk, and at the end, the way things are done at the processing level make sense to me. I hated the registry which lately was forcing me to erase the hard drive and put clean copies every 6 months. Even though XP with SP2 has done huge moves to avoid spyware and viruses, so in the last 6 months without antivirus protection full time I never had a virus or spyware. Still the systems bogs down and slows down with time.).

Welcome to OS X. I am still running on the factory OS X install. That would be about 1.5 years :cool:
 
You only have had your Mac for only a couple of days. Give it some time till you adapt to the new workflow in OS X and you will be much more amazed at how arcane you used to compute in the past.

This "lack of control" feeling is very typical when switching to OS X. I switched to OS X from Linux. So I you can imagine how much I was frustrated about losing my ubergeek abilities to play around with config files.



That is a pretty bold statement but you are excused :). Just give it more time and report back.



Welcome to OS X. I am still running on the factory OS X install. That would be about 1.5 years :cool:

Yep, it's really amazing...I think PCs are only good for those that haven't known OS X yet...I've never had to reinstall OS X in my 2 machines, since 2002...

The whole "management" thing is funny, too...PC users are not used to deleting apps because they can't or are just told not to...we OS X users have full control on our system setup...some time ago I tried to delete IE from my Windows machine at work...I couldn't.

Really, give it some days and you will feel the difference...and never go back to that crap. :rolleyes:
 
I went for it anyway

Against my own previous better judgement, I went for the Macbook. Here's why and then my impressions.

My Tibook had gotten too slow for dealing with large digital photo files on the road. I needed something. Much as I prefer the matte screen of the MBP, I went back a few times and found the glossy to be okay with me. I really wanted something smaller. The MBP is pretty big. The Macbook is actually not that much smaller than my Tibook and I did not want to go bigger than that.

The keyboard is fine. I'm used to it already. I got the black and maxed out the ram with ram from another vendor. I have a 160 HD coming and an enclosure for the 120 here. The transfer went pretty well, although a few apps somehow lost their activations and serial numbers, but it went well enough, all in all. I now have to set up modem prefs - yes, if you travel in remote parts of the country, you still need dialup capability - but that should be fine.

All apps run smoothly, including Final Cut Studio, Motion, After Effects, Aperture and CS2 under rosetta.

I would not want to do a feature length film on this, or even rely on it for my daily work - which is feature length films, actually...- but those apps work more than well enough for what I need. This is my travel machine - email, web surfing, some photo projects and the occasional video edit. All my real work gets done on whatever desktop hog I'm on at the moment, in this case my dual 3.0 xeon. It's a nice little machine, and I'm hoping that there's a more appealing MBP for my needs in a year or so, at which point I'll sell this to a friend for a good price.

Interestingly enough, I got into a conversation with another guy at the Apple Store Soho - he was comparing the MB to his ALbook and it turns out we had been both wondering the same things and both been reading the threads here obsessively the last few days. We compared notes on one or two people that we both had similar opinons on from this forum and agreed that some people can benefit from therapy or drugs. :)

I really like this. I doubt you all need photos at this point, but let me know if you want any of it and I'll try to get to it.
 
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