This is not about delegitimizing or being disrespectful. The CDC director herself admitted that the hospitalizations data includes a substantial number of people admitted with incidental COVID. We can not be at a place where challenging the data is bad. That is not going to lead to better outcomes.
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By all means, challenge the numbers. Just don't hesitate to believe your own eyes when they report hospitals and ICUs are overwhelmingly full of COVID patients.
But, that's one of the issues. Hospitals and ICUs may have lots of people with COVID but not necessarily because of COVID. That is an important distinction. Provided by @poorcody:
Boston Doctors: COVID-19 Hospitalizations Cut in Half By New Reporting Guidelines
The point is that the reporting may be misleading, and we need to fix that so the data is more credible. This is about applying a critical eye to the data to try to get the clearest picture of what is happening.
This has been more of an issue with Omicron because it's milder. This was noted in South Africa a month ago by Dr. Campbell and then later in the UK.
Pretty sure I just had/have Omicron. My kids got sick first, then my wife and as soon as they got better, I started to get all the symptoms. Felt pretty lousy for the last 3 days. Usually when I get the flu or a cold medicine will break my fever even temporarily, nothing I took has been breaking my steady 100.4 fever. I've had a weird mild brain fog too that has been unsettling. I have 2 rapids from work showing up tomorrow, I'll be curious if I actually have it or not.
Campbell has noted how US Omicron hospital stats are higher than England and South Africa, and speculated it is because of higher comorbities in the US. But the graphs I posted show our hospital admissions are not rising more than single digits on an absolute basis, which is more in-line with England and South Africa. The difference is in our data reporting.
Same for me the week right after Christmas. Started with a sore throat, then cough, runny nose and body aches that kept me on the couch. Never got any fever but yes the brain fog was there too. I called around for tests but everybody including my doctor was out until middle of January. I got better almost instantly on the Friday morning by 10am all the symptoms were gone.
My youngest daughter currently has covid and my eldest daughter, my wife and myself are all negative so far. My eldest can still go to school under new guidelines and we’ve been told this morning that there are 35 cases currently including 4 staff. I am triple vaxxed so hopefully i’ll get mild symptoms or maybe nothing.
Children are most likely to spread it unfortunately but there are only so many restrictions that can be put in place without having an effect on them.
Children are most likely to spread it unfortunately but there are only so many restrictions that can be put in place without having an effect on them.
My kids were at a conference with 10K people and I'm not aware of any positive results in their smaller group. I sent them an email asking if anyone tested positive at the conference (they are required to notify the conference if they test positive during the conference). Given this, it does seem like it is possible to hold events with a lot of people without a lot of infections. Granted this group probably did all of the stuff that you're supposed to do.
It’s pot luck a lot of it too. Children don’t socially distance, wear masks or wash their hands as regularly as adults and once there is a case in a school, it’s difficult to contain. On Monday there was 5 cases in my daughters school, including her. Now there are 35 and one class has been suspended for remote learning. The cases have risen by the day here so it’ll likely be more in the update we receive tomorrow morning. There are 8 people off sick from my work too currently so it is rife at the moment.
It may be the region too.
Half of the people cancelled for the conference so there's a self-selection factor and everyone was triple-vaxxed.
The national news showed about 13 states that have already peaked for cases though the effects on hospitals is still severe. It appears that NH has peaked as well; and this is what we expected given what we saw in South Africa and England.
Son got back to me. There were a few dozen positive COVID tests. 0.36% is far safer than my town and state.
Society has all but given up on prevention and are just going to let it play out unfortunately, let's just hope this is the beginning of the end. Sorry to hear about your household, try to stay healthy.
Dr. Campbell is now reporting, with citation to new freedom of information disclosures, that in England and Wales there have only been about 17,000 deaths where the only attributable cause of death has been from Covid-19. So, if you are an otherwise healthy person with no comorbidities, it does not appear that Covid 19 represents a high likelihood of causing death.
This is a profound report if verified by other localities.
He suspected this in South Africa a while ago and then I saw the chart of infections vs hospitalizations and deaths in England. We're seeing the same thing in NH. Cases skyrocked while hospitalizations stayed flat. Deaths spiked but that was Delta and they had dropped sharply. It appears that the number of infections has peaked here as well.
There is great hope that this is the beginning of the end of the pandemic.
Places that have done a good to great job, in general, are probably faring better. There is no sense of panic in my area despite a high infection rate and moderate positivity. Our hospitals are still a mess, especially in the ER, but it's nice to know that bed and ICU capacity are flat.
I am Vaxxed and boosted with the Janssen. The first shot was not that bad, it was over in a day, the 2nd was about 3 months after and I felt less sick but it lingered for about 3 days. I just took a Binax Rapid and I am positive
My symptoms are subsiding now in day 4, fever gone but body aches and sinus and lung congestion still kinda moderate. I finally feel good enough to leave my house and get some fresh air and its 34F degrees in San Antonio. It was 78F yesterday. Sigh..
This is such crap. It appears that there is also a genetic component of degree of illness. But that aside, 'long Covid' is a thing, and even if you 'survive', you don't.
True, the chances of dying from Covid have been low, but that is no comfort for the people and families that have lost loved ones to the virus. To quibble over the number of deaths versus infected people is so ghoulish and ridiculous. People are dying here. There are ways to protect yourself, and mitigate the virus, and many, too many are not doing it. And proudly not doing it. Who pays for their long term Covid symptoms. Symptoms that will keep them from working and contributing to society, which ignores their basic treatment to begin with. The cost of treating the proudly ignorant is MASSIVE. That money is coming from somewhere.
Covid KILLS. Ignoring that, no matter how small the odds is insane. Especially when there are easy ways to help control the chances of becoming infected. I mean, I'm sure that people walking across a highway are not likely to die also, but would it be sane to do it?
Protect yourself! Take precautions! Get fully vaccinated! Stop wanting to be a statistic.
I think that we'll need to see what Long COVID is like for Omicron. It hasn't been around long enough to get data on it.
About 1,800 are dying per day but I think that a lot of that is leftover Delta. I haven't seen death data for Omicron yet.
Who pays for long COVID? The person and family with it but we all really pay. Some with our lives.
It just shows that healthy people are not at serious risk of death. Let's not get too worked up. It's totally the right thing for authorities to review the data in a scientific -- non emotional -- way. That is called science and facts are facts.
Also, please provide a citation for your claim about "it appears that there is also a genetic component of degree of illness." I have not heard about that claim. What genetic profile makes you more at risk of death?
It's like when you hear 4 out of 5 dentists say flossing prevents cavities. People find the one dentist who disagrees and try to make them their straw man. Then puts fingers in their ears and screams LALALALA while 99.999% of the experts agree on deaths they're seeing with their own two eyes being related to the actual science and data.
Here in Wisconsin, they just changed the way they report new COVID cases. That has caused a major spike in the number of cases for the last few days, skewing the 7-day average. I suppose they have their reasons, but it's a bit annoying.
In Milwaukee, the mayor is about to sign a new indoor mask mandate to run at least until March 1st. As usual, it's the bureaucratic "too little, too late" reactive policy, which many people will ignore anyway. There's no way to really enforce it.
In Milwaukee, the mayor is about to sign a new indoor mask mandate to run at least until March 1st. As usual, it's the bureaucratic "too little, too late" reactive policy, which many people will ignore anyway. There's no way to really enforce it.
It's the same in rural CA as well, I just assume if they're not wearing it indoors when it's required that they're also not vaccinated. Whether or not that's the case, it's how I treat it because they obviously don't care about the rules of the establishment, why should they care about who the infect? I simply keep my distance or avoid it all together if there are too many people.