COVID/Coronavirus non-political DISCUSSION thread

[TiggrToo]

Also if you’re an old person it seems to be a problem, but the people who go to my church don’t care at all. All of them are healthy, too, thankfully. They still hug after the service, and for whatever odd reason have been CARPOOLING there. Never used to before so not sure why now. I don’t go to church ever but heard from someone I know who does go to the same church. @throAU

Here's the raw facts: you keep doing what you're doing and you are at an exponentially higher risk of catching Covid-19. If you're really unlucky you'll even die from it.

Meanwhile your actions, and the actions of everyone else around you, dramatically increases the risk that others will get it.

And to make matters worse, the utterly selfish, self centered and ignorance based mindset that "I'm all right, Jack" will only make this worse for everyone: including you.

Already we're seeing many states return to semi-lockdown mode. Won't be long before it gets worse.

And if it does, the finger if responsibility will be pointed firmly at people like you.

You want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution?

 

[BigMcGuire]

Also if you’re an old person it seems to be a problem, but the people who go to my church don’t care at all. All of them are healthy, too, thankfully. They still hug after the service, and for whatever odd reason have been CARPOOLING there. Never used to before so not sure why now. I don’t go to church ever but heard from someone I know who does go to the same church. @throAU

Study: Three-quarters of adults with COVID-19 have heart damage after recovery - UPI.com

Seventy-eight percent of people diagnosed with COVID-19 showed evidence of heart damage caused by the disease weeks after they have recovered, according to a study published Monday by JAMA Cardiology.

www.upi.com

Majority of COVID-19 cases in San Bernardino County are from private gatherings, data shows

A majority of COVID-19 cases in San Bernardino County are from private gatherings, according to county data released Friday.

abc7.com

52% of cases are those between 20 and 39 years old. I live in SB County. This doesn’t just affect old people anymore.

Nothing like playing with fire via ignorance and selfishness.

 

[D.T.]

I just got back from Disney World with my girlfriend

Pics? I mean, other folks shared their trip photos

 

[niploteksi]

Even if this is mostly spread among private gatherings and in the family the people bringing it there or home caught it somewhere else. While many people do try their best to follow guidelines and keep a physical distance there are still many people that just seems clueless.

People walking past the disinfectant at the shop entrance even if some people actually goes there to clean their hands is just one small example. The approach by many of the younger generation is sometimes hard to understand but we've all (or many of us)been young and clueless at one point in life. I find it more annoying and worrying that people who should know better don't show this more concern.

The other day I was getting ice cream with my kids. It was a rainy day so basically no one was out. We got to the ice cream kiosk and there was one woman buying ice cream and only one gentleman inline behind her. So we took our place with appropriate corona distance. The man handing out cream had gloves on and at first it looked quite well managed.

After a minute the gentleman standing in front of us slowly edges closer until there's really not much space between him and the woman in front. He touches his face with his hands. On the mouths, around his eyes and even puts fingers in his nose. Then as she tries to get out of the way he simply steps into her personal space to order. When he gets his ice cream he takes up a couple of nice sweaty bills and hand them to the ice cream guy, who receives them in left hand, now ungloved.

We dodge out of the way to let the man pass and I order our ice creams. Then without washing or disinfecting his hands the man behind the counter starts to scoop up ice cream balls. When the first bball doesn't want to let go of the scoop he takes his unwashed thumb and presses the ball into the ice cream cup. I see images flashing by of patient zero and the new zombie apocalypse. Take my kids and leave without saying a word.

These are grownup people and should just know better.

 

[C DM]

Guess what? I’m hanging out with my friends at the bars, eating at the best restaurants with my girlfriend, and even took her on vacation. It’s not funny, it’s fun

In reality it's more sad than anything else.

 

[Hieveryone]

Study: Three-quarters of adults with COVID-19 have heart damage after recovery - UPI.com

Seventy-eight percent of people diagnosed with COVID-19 showed evidence of heart damage caused by the disease weeks after they have recovered, according to a study published Monday by JAMA Cardiology.

www.upi.com

Majority of COVID-19 cases in San Bernardino County are from private gatherings, data shows

A majority of COVID-19 cases in San Bernardino County are from private gatherings, according to county data released Friday.

abc7.com

52% of cases are those between 20 and 39 years old. I live in SB County. This doesn’t just affect old people anymore.

Nothing like playing with fire via ignorance and selfishness.

Yeah but the question is are people between the age of 20-39 going to care? It seems not. I mean the chainsmokers concert is just one example. Maybe many are asymptomatic? That’s a guess. I think more older people are affected? So if they don’t hear their friends are sick they think it’s all good maybe. I mean I don’t know ANYONE who’s gotten sick. Not one
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In reality it's more sad than anything else.

For who? Not for me. For me it’s just business as usual
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Here's the raw facts: you keep doing what you're doing and you are at an exponentially higher risk of catching Covid-19. If you're really unlucky you'll even die from it.

Meanwhile your actions, and the actions of everyone else around you, dramatically increases the risk that others will get it.

And to make matters worse, the utterly selfish, self centered and ignorance based mindset that "I'm all right, Jack" will only make this worse for everyone: including you.

Already we're seeing many states return to semi-lockdown mode. Won't be long before it gets worse.

And if it does, the finger if responsibility will be pointed firmly at people like you.

You want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution?

The problem is that people are tired of the fear mongering. No matter how much people double down on the fear people just get more defiant and go out. I’ve seen it with friends
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Imagine comparing the success of New Zealand in handling the virus to the state America is in.

I live here so I would know first hand how normal things are...
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Pics? I mean, other folks shared their trip photos

I would rather have you keep wondering or just not believe me. The “pics or it didn’t happen” club people are always the most fun to keep in the dark

 

[TiggrToo]

I would rather have you keep wondering or just not believe me.

Feels like you're just trolling then. People here attempt to be honest. You apparently feel that honesty is not your forté.

 

[QCassidy352]

Monday comes around, and corona is still here. It didn’t magically disappear because I skipped the bar.

All that would happen, is I miss out on a good weekend with friends.

That’s it. The party would be missed by me, and corona would still be here. Nothing more nothing less.

Call it FOMO, selfish, whatever. Me skipping the bar this weekend will not eradicate corona. That’s my guess.

Wow, I'm having flashbacks to reading Catch 22 in high school English.

Yes, it's true that no one person's actions are going to make or break the pandemic. And yet, your attitude, magnified by millions of people, is why the US is still getting crushed by a virus that a large part of the world has mostly beaten by now.

Same here. We have more cases, etc but everything’s normal as well. I just got back from Disney World with my girlfriend

No, nothing is normal in the US. Check out civilian unemployment, which is currently around 11%:

Civilian unemployment rate

www.bls.gov

And deaths above expectations:

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

www.cdc.gov

The fact that you, personally, may be living your life as normal is not a meaningful indicator of the state of a country that has 50 states and 330 million people.

 

[Hieveryone]

Feels like you're just trolling then. People here attempt to be honest. You apparently feel that honesty is not your forté.

Oh I’m honest. But no one has to believe me. That’s fine with me idrc.

But aren’t we supposed to stay on topic? Not posting pics of Disney vacations?

That being said, I’m going to the movies with my girlfriend this Friday.

my guess it’ll be packed.

plenty of people NOT afraid of the virus.

I’m guessing this is the worst thing in the world! Movies bad! Lol.

But it is what it is. If people are going to concerts...I mean movies are fair game

 

[C DM]

But aren’t we supposed to stay on topic? Not posting pics of Disney vacations?

Or having discussions about party schools?

 

[Hieveryone]

Wow, I'm having flashbacks to reading Catch 22 in high school English.

Yes, it's true that no one person's actions are going to make or break the pandemic. And yet, your attitude, magnified by millions of people, is why the US is still getting crushed by a virus that a large part of the world has mostly beaten by now.


No, nothing is normal in the US. Check out civilian unemployment, which is currently around 11%:

Civilian unemployment rate

www.bls.gov

And deaths above expectations:

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

www.cdc.gov

The fact that you, personally, may be living your life as normal is not a meaningful indicator of the state of a country that has 50 states and 330 million people.

Then how come I don’t know ANYONE who’s materially affected? not one?

How come people are going to concerts?

Heck I just got back from vacation and have been going to the bars and partying for months.

and guess what? So has everyone else at those bars and everywhere I go!!!
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Or having discussions about party schools?

yes exactly. No party schools sadly

 

[C DM]

plenty of people NOT afraid of the virus.

Plenty of people also believe all kinds of nonexistent things. How many laps is that now?
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yes exactly. No party schools sadly

Except that kept on being something that was coming up in your posts. Seems like some supposedly unrelated things are fair game but other unrelated things that aren't as convenient aren't. Not really how it works.

 

[QCassidy352]

Then how come I don’t know ANYONE who’s materially affected? not one?

How come people are going to concerts?

Heck I just got back from vacation and have been going to the bars and partying for months.

and guess what? So has everyone else at those bars and everywhere I go!!!

Again, a single person's experience is not a good indicator of the severity of a global problem. Do you really think that your personal experience within your family and circle of friends is a better source of information about what's going on nationally than the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the CDC?

I'd also like to add that it's not just about being "afraid" of the virus. I'm low risk, based on my age and health condition. (I still don't want to get it, because people my age have died, but the odds are definitely well in my favor.) But I also realize that every person who gets it causes a potential ripple effect. Even if I were to be asymptomatic or a mild case, who else would I potentially infect? Who would they infect? I don't want to be the cause, even indirectly, of a vulnerable person being exposed.

 

[C DM]

Then how come I don’t know ANYONE who’s materially affected? not one?

How come people are going to concerts?

Heck I just got back from vacation and have been going to the bars and partying for months.

and guess what? So has everyone else at those bars and everywhere I go!!!

If there's any takeaway there it seems like plenty of people that want to delay things getting back to normal for everyone (and in the process have more people suffer). And that's not even accounting for the obvious: anecdotal is anecdotal.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

How extraordinary - if not downright peculiar - that a thread with the title "Coronavirus non-political DISCUSSION thread" - a condition that has already infected almost 4.4 million people and killed just under 150,000 people in the US alone, to date, (stats sourced from the CDC, July 29 2020) - & these stats apply only to the US - should have devolved, bizarrely, and improbably, instead, into yet another banal thread about the supposed social life of one rather irresponsible (if what he posts bears any relationship to the truth) individual.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Oh I’m honest. But no one has to believe me. That’s fine with me idrc.

But aren’t we supposed to stay on topic? Not posting pics of Disney vacations?

That being said, I’m going to the movies with my girlfriend this Friday.

my guess it’ll be packed.

plenty of people NOT afraid of the virus.

I’m guessing this is the worst thing in the world! Movies bad! Lol.

But it is what it is. If people are going to concerts...I mean movies are fair game

This thread is a non political thread that should be for discussing people’s experiences in their parts of the world yet here you are dominating the discussion for many weeks now living out a fantasy persona. We get it that you aren’t scared of catching the virus and aren’t worried about the possible consequences. I’m not worried about you getting it either and it’s entirely up to you how you behave against all professional advice. Perhaps we all need to stop engaging in this exercise of yours?

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Anyway back on topic; I’ve found a lot more people are wearing masks than there were a few weeks back. There are more mask wearers in supermarkets and motorway services in Wales where it’s not yet compulsory even if it is in England. Meetings with suppliers is strange with social distancing in my line of work too. Starting to see teenagers become complacent though hanging around in large groups. Parents not realising that the kids aren’t potentially the ones who will fall victim. The business to be in right now are protective screen manufacturers as just about every shop, takeaway and food outlet are investing in safety measures. With over 40% of British workers now spending some of the working week at home, many businesses that rely on commuting footfall will not survive. Interesting and worrying times for many.

 

[bunnspecial]

Then how come I don’t know ANYONE who’s materially affected? not one?

Chances are your social circle is pretty small, then, I'm guessing.

I've(fortunately) not known anyone who has died, but I've known several who have tested positive and fortunately also had mild symptoms.

I have known people, including me, who were furloughed or laid off from what we all thought were rock solid, steady jobs that wouldn't go anywhere. That even includes people in various medical fields.

I've known people lose their entire life's work by having to shutter a small non-essential business and never re-open.

I've known folks who were looking forward to retirement soon but are going to have to wait because their portfolios took a nose dive. On that point, if you are a big time Wallstreet player as you've claimed in the past, how can you say you weren't affected by this unless you had a crystal ball to tell you what was going to stay strong through all of this while everything got hit hard.

I've known folks who have suffered because they had to delay medical procedures that were deemed "elective"-and for purposes of the last few months, what's considered "elective" is fairly broad and what's considered "essential" is very narrow.

That's just a short list of ways that plenty of people have been "materially affected" if you open your eyes and look around.

 

[C DM]

How extraordinary that a thread with the title "Coronavirus non-political DISCUSSION thread" - a condition that has already infected almost 4.4 million people and killed just under 150,000 people in the US alone to date (sourced from the CDC, July 29) - & these stats apply only to the US - should have devolved, bizarrely, and improbably, instead, into yet another banal thread about the supposed social life of one rather irresponsible (if what he posts bears any relationship to the truth) individual.

Seems like it's essentially more of a "challenge" to see how long things can keep on going in trivial circles than anything more than that (along the lines of a variety of some other threads that that have been closed when that sort of thing would surface more and more).

 

[Hieveryone]

How extraordinary - if not downright secular - that a thread with the title "Coronavirus non-political DISCUSSION thread" - a condition that has already infected almost 4.4 million people and killed just under 150,000 people in the US alone, to date, (stats sourced from the CDC, July 29 2020) - & these stats apply only to the US - should have devolved, bizarrely, and improbably, instead, into yet another banal thread about the supposed social life of one rather irresponsible (if what he posts bears any relationship to the truth) individual.

And here’s the problem and why people are fed up and don’t pay attention to corona anymore

How come you don’t mention there’s 328,200,000 Americans?

Then divide 150K by 328 MM to give a percent?

Very convenient to mention half of the story

 

[C DM]

And here’s the problem and why people are fed up and don’t pay attention to corona anymore

How come you don’t mention there’s 328,200,000 Americans?

Then divide 150K by 328 MM to give a percent?

Very convenient to mention half of the story

With that being half of the story (if even that) as well in that case.

 

[QCassidy352]

Chances are your social circle is pretty small, then, I'm guessing.

I've(fortunately) not known anyone who has died, but I've known several who have tested positive and fortunately also had mild symptoms.

I have known people, including me, who were furloughed or laid off from what we all thought were rock solid, steady jobs that wouldn't go anywhere. That even includes people in various medical fields.

I've known people lose their entire life's work by having to shutter a small non-essential business and never re-open.

I've known folks who were looking forward to retirement soon but are going to have to wait because their portfolios took a nose dive. On that point, if you are a big time Wallstreet player as you've claimed in the past, how can you say you weren't affected by this unless you had a crystal ball to tell you what was going to stay strong through all of this while everything got hit hard.

I've known folks who have suffered because they had to delay medical procedures that were deemed "elective"-and for purposes of the last few months, what's considered "elective" is fairly broad and what's considered "essential" is very narrow.

That's just a short list of ways that plenty of people have been "materially affected" if you open your eyes and look around.

Good post, thank you for getting the thread back on track. I'll add a few additional ways I or those around me have been affected.

A number of relatives (including me) have still not met two new babies in the family because it would require air travel. My young son has not been to daycare or a playground in over four months. My wife lost a big bonus at work because revenue was so far down in March and April. My uncle in NYC had the virus and was extremely sick for weeks, but recovered. My 90 year old grandmother, also in NYC, was trapped in her one-room apartment for over three months. She recently went outside for the first time since March.

But on the whole, my family has been fine, and I'm not complaining because others have had it so, so much worse:

A colleague lost both her aunt and uncle to the virus within a few weeks.

A former colleague lost his wife to cancer and had to hold the funeral by zoom.

A friend had to postpone her wedding by a year.

Just a sample from my own little social circle.

 

[BigMcGuire]

And here’s the problem and why people are fed up and don’t pay attention to corona anymore

How come you don’t mention there’s 328,200,000 Americans?

Then divide 150K by 328 MM to give a percent?

Very convenient to mention half of the story

You do realize that this is only the beginning and of the 150k dead, there are many others infected that will suffer ailments for the rest of their lives? (Some may not have any ailments, but the articles I posted show that a significant percentage of survivors of this have heart damage (3/4ths of them)).

Contageous viruses in the past have shown to have second and third waves that dwarf the first wave.

It should astound me that there are many people that just don't care. It should, but it doesn't.

Hope your temporary freedom is worth the economic suffering of millions, the deaths of hundreds of thousands.
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Good post, thank you for getting the thread back on track. I'll add a few additional ways I or those around me have been affected.

A number of relatives (including me) have still not met two new babies in the family because it would require air travel. My young son has not been to daycare or a playground in over four months. My wife lost a big bonus at work because revenue was so far down in March and April. My uncle in NYC had the virus and was extremely sick for weeks, but recovered. My 90 year old grandmother, also in NYC, was trapped in her one-room apartment for over three months. She recently went outside for the first time since March.

But on the whole, my family has been fine, and I'm not complaining because others have had it so, so much worse:

A colleague lost both her aunt and uncle to the virus within a few weeks.

A former colleague lost his wife to cancer and had to hold the funeral by zoom.

A friend had to postpone her wedding by a year.

Just a sample from my own little social circle.

Up until last week, I knew no one that had this virus. My wife's good college friend's mom got it from her job and now the whole family is under quarantine.

 

[michael9891]

People can be done with corona all they like, while thousands are flocking together to go to concerts at a time when cases are at a record high, restrictions will never be fully lifted. I'd rather look back and think we did a little too much, than nowhere near enough.

 

[compwiz1202]

Is there a way for posts not to show at all if someone you are ignoring is quoted??

 

[D.T.]

Is there a way for posts not to show at all if someone you are ignoring is quoted??

If someone quotes a user you have on ignore, you should not see that quote - with the caveat, they're quoted with the username/ID properly intact (i.e., if you manually C&P something they said into a from-the-editing-menu quote block, you'll see that).