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COVID/Coronavirus non-political DISCUSSION thread
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OMG, yes, we probably have 1000 photos of our Universal trips over the last 20 years or so.
A couple of Christmases ago, we spent about 10 days in Montreal, around the Old Port, right on the river, it was __epic__.OK, back to the pandemic ...
It's a public health emergency.
Speaking of selfish...
Don't you think it is SELFISH, IMMORAL and WRONG to not do your part (for the benefit of society) to contain the pandemic purely because you are bored or want to hook up?
That means: limiting contact. Just because you are ALLOWED to go out, doesn't mean go nuts. Be sensible. Be respectful of others and do your best to help squash this so things can get back to normal.
The fear mongering and guilt shaming hasn't stopped millions of Americans from going out and having fun. In fact, I know people who are doubling down on going out and partying just because there's people trying to stop them. Telling people NOT to go out, is actually having an OPPOSITE effect on some people, who are going out MORE than they would otherwise.
If someone wants to live their life, do fun things, go to Disney World, you don't think it's selfish to ask them to stay inside? I mean come on. Nobody is asking YOU to go out or anyone else. They're just saying THEY'RE going out. People are free to stay in if they want. But then, if they make that choice, they can't have FOMO. They can't go around being angry at those who are living their lives. Bottom line is, do what you gotta do, and don't expect anyone else to follow your rules. They're going to do what they gotta do.
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Well it's not possible to stay inside and go out and party at the same time. Either someone is staying inside playing it safe or going out and having fun. There's no shame in playing it safe, if that's what someone wants to do.
UNLESS they're going to deserted island by themselves, which might be fun for some? Lol
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People doing things they shouldn't be doing isn't a new concept (not by thousands of years). Doesn't really change anything about what they are doing somehow therefore being good or right or anything like that. Seems like this keeps on coming up over and over.
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There's something in between the two extremes as well, as is pretty much usually the case when it comes to extremes.
How is it possible to be in between? Like, "I'm going to bar with my friends only on Friday night and not Saturday night instead of both Friday and Saturday night"???
Yes I get that could be less risky because on Saturday night an asymptomatic corona might be around while Friday they may not be there, but still I don't see how that's in between.
To me, either you're just sitting at home waiting around or not...
And honestly, that's where I think the jealousy, anger, frustration, etc comes about. I'm not kidding when I say I genuinely feel bad for those who aren't doing anything waiting around. Like I said, I couldn't do it. I need my bars, my friends, my girlfriend, my Disney World vacations, etc etc. I genuinely don't know how people who are just sitting at home are able to do that without being upset, etc.
Of course not, and as always, no posts of actual personal pics or anecdotes, he "Went to Disney", but no photos, shocking.
We went to Universal at the beginning of the year (before this had escalated into a serious problem, we generally go 3-4 times a year ...), look, here's an ACTUAL PHOTO from our onsite resort suite, you know, because it actually happened ...
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That's great, I know you're a bit younger than me, but getting into those sort of health habits are great, especially with your SO
I know that's nothing compared to a lot of folks, but at the same time there are a lot worse habits I could have picked. It cooled down enough this evening that we were able to get ~2 miles in, which there again isn't what I'd like to do but is something.
BTW, here's Port Orleans Riverside from my trip back in October-back on the big trip where I popped the question(and this particular one a few hours afterwards)
(for the photo nerds-that was taken with my Nikon Df at some stupid high ISO setting, and handheld with a 35mm f/2)
When planning the trip(when, BTW, she didn't know what was coming) we had picked French Quarter since it was the lowest priced moderate, but Riverside won because the annual pass got us a pretty steep discount there. I really liked it and would stay there again, but she says she likes French Quarter a bit better-I can't make a comparison. With both, the boats to take you to Disney Springs are nice, not usually crowded, and save you a lengthy bus ride if you're popping over for dinner.
She's already talking about going at Christmas with her family. As long as it's safe to do so, I'm looking forward to it. Our original honeymoon plans had actually been a cruise+a week at the parks, but my new job means 2 weeks mid-semester is a no-go, and of course COVID pretty much killed any hope of doing much more than a just some alone time in October.
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In-between might be something like saying "This place is too crowded to be safe-let's go somewhere else." Or, if you want to hang out with your friends, maybe one of you hosts with a few of you rather than going out somewhere. Neither of those is 100% safe, but they're safer than being at a crowded bar or club.
My state just put into place a 2-week bar closure. The somewhat longer term plan is that when bars are allowed to reopen, at least if I understood it right, people will be required to stay put at their table/stool unless going to the bathroom and not mingling, and also will be at reduced capacity(plus masks unless you're seated). Restaurants have also been reduced to 25% capacity, and that's the rule for the bar area of restaurants. There again, that's not 100% safe, but it's safer.
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Pretty sure it was already demonstrated in a few posts just a little earlier.
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Well, some of those who are mostly staying in are at least partially doing it because they need to given the current situation that is in good part like that because of those others who are doing all those things without a care. The very thing you seem to be so focused on is part of the causality that's in play.
The rush by some to get back to normal without a good plan that is actually followed is in large part what's getting in the way of that actually happening in a reasonable fashion for everyone (and that's pretty much completely ignoring the even higher and harder price of it all that comes in actual casualties).
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But if lockdown didn’t work, in which many (all?) bars were literally closed, how would me skipping the bars this weekend going to work?
This would be my guess:
I skip the bars this weekend with My friends.
Bars still open and packed, bc everyone else isn’t listening to some people saying online and on TV saying bars are bad
Monday comes around, and corona is still here. It didn’t magically disappear because I skipped the bar.
All that would happen, is I miss out on a good weekend with friends.
That’s it. The party would be missed by me, and corona would still be here. Nothing more nothing less.
Call it FOMO, selfish, whatever. Me skipping the bar this weekend will not eradicate corona. That’s my guess.
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Same could be applied to Disney world. If I didn’t go with my girlfriend, all that would have happened is me and my girlfriend missing out on a grand vacation we’ll never forget. That’s it. Corona would still be around. That’s my guess
Simply looking at the surface of the ocean can make it seem that there isn't much to it except some water that is probably shallow.
Everything just keeps on coming back to reality vs. perception, again, and again, and again.
so you think if I skip the bar this weekend corona will be gone Sunday? Come on. You don’t really believe that.
At this point, there’s really no turning back IMO. Even a lockdown part 2 which I don’t think will happen, but even if it did there’s going to be HUGE pushback. The first one didn’t work I don’t see a 2nd one working either
It's more of a case of missing the forest for the trees.
Which essentially demonstrates the "missing" aspect of that saying.Not if the trees aren’t in the forest to begin with. Food for thought
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Exactly
I think you get what I’m saying. Truth be told there’s nothing fun or cool you can do unless there’s basically a crowd unless you’re with your girlfriend.People will say “you can go on a boat with your kids” ummm yeah if you’re like 40.
Young people are not going to be doing that stuff.
The chainsmokers concer is a good example. Frankly, Disney world isn’t even my thing but if I’m going with a girlfriend it’s cool. With the boys? Nah. Heck nah lol.
So again corona is subjective socially in the sense it affects people’s social lives differently.
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That being said, the church I’m a part of (but never ever go), they’re all going almost all of them. And they carpooling there LOL. They never did before so it’s like they’re doubling down idk
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Not quite sure you really followed what was being said there. That said, it seems like pretty much all of this here (in this thread and some others that even ended up getting closed) isn't really about any of that either.Exactly
I did and I think you got my point as well. Not ALL people are totally oblivious to the situation right now. For example, I read online obesity is a risk factor. if I had an obese friend you think I’d go with him to the bar? Nope. Bc I understand that his life matters and that he’s my boy, so I’m not going to be immoral and go party knowing that something could happen. I don’t have an obese friend but the same would apply if I had a friend who was “at risk”. So it may seem like nobody cares but there are some who still do.
Lockdown worked here in Western Australia and elsewhere in the world. Because we actually committed to it (early) and did the right thing. We didn't complain, we didn't continually break the rules or argue things like masks or working from home violate our human rights.
We crushed it. Life is mostly back to normal and we had only 9 people die.
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Same here. We have more cases, etc but everything’s normal as well. I just got back from Disney World with my girlfriend
It's a risk factor of complications IF YOU GET COVID19.
It doesn't make you more likely to get it, more contagious, etc.
In other words, going to the bar with someone who is obese is no more or less risky than seeing anyone else at the bar.
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Except that reality differs from that perception (as has also been pointed out many times in this thread, other threads, and outside the forums and the internet). Not that any of that really matters in this context since the "discussion" here has been made circular pretty much just for the sake of it.
Everything is back to normal in America? That's funny.
Guess what? I’m hanging out with my friends at the bars, eating at the best restaurants with my girlfriend, and even took her on vacation. It’s not funny, it’s fun
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Exactly. That’s why if I had an obese friend I wouldn’t be hanging out with him at the bar. None of my friends are obese so we’ve been going for months now BUT if one were obese I wouldn’t take him. There’s is still compassion even though most everybody seems to have forgotten about the pandemic all together
Also if you’re an old person it seems to be a problem, but the people who go to my church don’t care at all. All of them are healthy, too, thankfully. They still hug after the service, and for whatever odd reason have been CARPOOLING there. Never used to before so not sure why now. I don’t go to church ever but heard from someone I know who does go to the same church. @throAU
Imagine comparing the success of New Zealand in handling the virus to the state America is in.