Reality getting in the way of perception, or vice versa...feels like it all keeps on coming back to that again and again.
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COVID/Coronavirus non-political DISCUSSION thread
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When you talked earlier about someone assuming you were younger than you were... I think it is because your replies give off the sense of a worldview that lacks responsibility and doing the right thing. You believe it is ok to do something just because it is not illegal and just because it is not illegal, you believe there are no consequences to your actions.
People who fail to think of others, fail to see the big picture are the reason why this virus is growing bigger than it ever has before. When, and if this virus continues to grow to the point of shutting this country completely down and the death rate follows it, we will have people like yourself to thank. People who were too selfish to consider others. People who lacked the responsibility to do the right thing.
You are completely right. The ability to consider others and think of the big picture is missing in a lot of our youth today, yourself included. This virus will stick around a long time because of it.
So, what about all of your posts where you were concerned about the virus and being all worried about buying a car because of it? How does that match up to your carefree attitude you portray now?
That's really all with the benefit of the doubt that there's even something to it all beyond just "online banter".
And you don't think it's selfish, immoral, and wrong to force people to stay inside? Please.
But I'll meet you half-way:
If someone feels guilty, immoral, and scared to go out, they can do "the right thing" (according to their own view) and stay inside. People who don't feel guilty and don't see a problem with going out are able to do so, as long as it does not break the local rules. (Kudos if they've talked to their healthcare provider and taken a multi-factorial approach to their decision.)
No, I don't, not if it helps destroy this virus and allows us to reopen this economy 100% again. We already have examples of countries that did the right thing and now are able to have full on public sports events because of it.
And we have the example of our country, where people are so selfish that they're going to keep this going until it does a lot more damage than it should have.
It's not a matter of "feeling" - we either keep allowing the virus to hotspot and infect thousands, keeping it alive, or we kill it off completely.
The problem is that we already had a lockdown, and it didn't work. So if people were bending the rules last time, what would make someone think they'd follow the rules this time? In fact, I bet there would be even MORE people against it than the first one. I don't think we'll have another lockdown. There's just no support for it from what I'm seeing. If anything, people are out and about more than ever
At least Disney is at greatly reduced capacity, masks required in most of the park, you have to pre-reg, and there was no park hopping (and as I mentioned, no bars are open on theme park properties either). There was a reporter covering the opening and she bailed, lines seemed a little too jumbled, maybe they sorted some of that out.
Hahaha, it actually sounds like a craptacular time
Well, yeah, there's that too, like the "party school experience" that was an article from Playboy and a Google'd photo, hahaha...
It did work - it helped flatten the curve. Had we not had it, it would have spiked much further than it did. We're seeing what happens now without the lock down. They ended it way too early (California).
And you're right, there are people who don't give a damn and they're going to do what they want. That's why I'm advocating fining and real consequences because, for some, it takes that for them to act responsibly.
I do believe there would be real pushback to that though, as you said.
And it is because of this that the virus will grow into something it should never have, killing many tens of thousands more (in a years time, maybe millions more?) than it should have.
It did flatten the curve but it didn't get rid of the virus. I agree about the pushback. I just don't think there's the momentum for a second lockdown. I feel like the wind is blowing in the opposite direction. Meaning, there's more of a push for going out and doing normal things than people saying we need to stay at home again. Frankly, lockdowns are not pragmatic if you ask me. One shutdown was barely acceptable. Two feels out of the question
That is the question, is it not? How much death is worth the freedom of some? How many livelihoods do we destroy vs preventing deaths? There's probably a lot of variation in the answer to that question for a lot of people.
At least Disney is at greatly reduced capacity, masks required in most of the park, you have to pre-reg, and there was no park hopping (and as I mentioned, no bars are open on theme park properties either). There was a reporter covering the opening and she bailed, lines seemed a little too jumbled, maybe they sorted some of that out.
Hahaha, it actually sounds like a craptacular time
Well, yeah, there's that too, like the "party school experience" that was an article from Playboy and a Google'd photo, hahaha...
I think because of corona, those who are frustrated staying in (if that’s in fact the case) are having a hard time seeing others have fun. So IMO I’m guessing mentally it’s easier to think it’s not fun anyway, or fake, etc.? I know I’d have a hard time thinking there’s others who are living life while I was still quarantining at home missing out, if that is the case
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I don’t think there’s an answer that’s acceptable above 0. But I also don’t think lockdowns are pragmatic. There’s no real solution I guess
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What is the deal with accusing everyone of being 'scared' because they don't think walking around completely oblivious to everything & ignoring the problem is a good idea? I'd sure love someone to say to my face I'm scared because I don't think been sandwiched between thousands of strangers is a good idea. Just because some are taking it more seriously than others, it doesn't mean they're cowering in a dark room at home waiting for death to come and get them.
The guidelines from governments have terrible on the most part, a complete lack of coordination with different governors & mayors etc fighting with each other. So simply saying following the rules is enough, clearly isn't.
As an adult, I like to think for myself. That's why I have no sympathy for those who booked holidays to Spain in the middle of all this and are now facing quarantine for 14 days on return to the UK. Meaning possible job losses or at the least no pay. If they were too ignorant to see what's going on and could happen, more fool them.
It's funny how some blow hot & cold on their attitude to this. Spamming the boards saying cases wouldn't spike again and that the virus was dying out one minute, acting all compassionate & caring about others the next and back to pretending the world is back to normal. And no, just because you went on a vacation it doesn't speak for the rest of the country, let alone the world.
The guidelines from governments have terrible on the most part, a complete lack of coordination with different governors & mayors etc fighting with each other. So simply saying following the rules is enough, clearly isn't.
As an adult, I like to think for myself. That's why I have no sympathy for those who booked holidays to Spain in the middle of all this and are now facing quarantine for 14 days on return to the UK. Meaning possible job losses or at the least no pay. If they were too ignorant to see what's going on and could happen, more fool them.
It's funny how some blow hot & cold on their attitude to this. Spamming the boards saying cases wouldn't spike again and that the virus was dying out one minute, acting all compassionate & caring about others the next and back to pretending the world is back to normal. And no, just because you went on a vacation it doesn't speak for the rest of the country, let alone the world.
It wasn't really meant to get rid of it, and really didn't have much of a chance to do anything like that when it really wasn't a cohesive and organized process that applied even in most places, let alone everywhere. It was all also treated differently in an unorganized and sometimes rushed matter without a good ongoing plan coming out of it.
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If some sort of a weird sense of FOMO is driving something like dealing with a pandemic, seems like there are even bigger issues in play.
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I already covered your SOP (it's was easy to predict ...), while you were, er, doing whatever it is that you were actually doing for the last week, I was in the boat, with SUP boards, hanging out on beautiful islands, drinking, laughing, with my amazing family. We were over at the beach riding waves, stunning 80˚ water - nice big beverages, so fun - then we all jumped in my convertible and cruised up through the old city, and I picked up a to go order from one of our favorite places (who are practicing very careful food handling procedures - we know, because we know owners). We even setup a new workout room upstairs, it's awesome, wife loves it, cycle, rower, weights, a wall amounted TV/AppleTV, we get killer workouts and stay safe.
My life is fantastic - while still practicing a safe set of pandemic protocol.
If it’s not fear, then could it be those who are telling others to stay in just frustrated? I mean there’s no way I could stay inside for 4 months lol
I'm a bit in flux right now as to what state I can call home(although it's Kentucky at least for another week and a half or so) but it's interesting to see how things are handled.
The school where I'm starting this fall has decided that lectures have to be delivered entirely virtual, while we have the option to do labs either virtually or face-to-face. In our department of three people, two have decided to go 100% virtual with labs(one is in his mid-60s and his wife is high risk, while the other has a 4-week-old baby). I'm the hold out with wanting to do some in person, but most will be virtual.
That's going to be a fun exercise-I really want the students to do an acid-base titration in person for example, but I also don't want to bank too heavily on doing that since that comes later in the semester and I don't know if things will change by then. I'm also exploring some virtual options, or even the idea of doing videos of doing the experiment.
The school where I'm starting this fall has decided that lectures have to be delivered entirely virtual, while we have the option to do labs either virtually or face-to-face. In our department of three people, two have decided to go 100% virtual with labs(one is in his mid-60s and his wife is high risk, while the other has a 4-week-old baby). I'm the hold out with wanting to do some in person, but most will be virtual.
That's going to be a fun exercise-I really want the students to do an acid-base titration in person for example, but I also don't want to bank too heavily on doing that since that comes later in the semester and I don't know if things will change by then. I'm also exploring some virtual options, or even the idea of doing videos of doing the experiment.
There’s definitely FOMO lol. I bet half the people at the chainsmokers concert were there JUST for the selfie, and then went home lol. But that’d be good anyway bc less time for potential exposure to the virus
If/When "FOMO" and "lol" are representative of the supposed driving forces in the context of a worldwide pandemic, it doesn't really seem there is much to discuss (at least not in any sort of real and meaningful objective way).
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What's not sinking in? Who said people are staying indoors for 4 months and frustrated?
I'm not telling everyone to stay indoors. It's about being sensible and using your better judgement. And having heard you say you'd have liked to have gone to the Chainsmokers gig, that is not using better judgement. And thinking you're not at risk because you're just there for "the selfie" is laughable at best.
Plenty of ways to have fun outside without being irresponsible. Like the weekend @D.T. had.
Yeah, there's no reason to "stay inside" for 4+ months.
At the beginning of things-before I took my "fun" car into the shop, I spent almost every evening after dinner going for a drive somewhere. A lot of times, I'd stick a camera in the car, go somewhere nearby that was interesting(but where I could still stay well away from people even if there were others there) and enjoy myself. I have a pretty decent sized camera collection, and had a bunch around that were "I'd really like to use that one of these days" so it was nice to get a bunch of bonding time with things like my Pentax 67(which I bought shortly before the plague) and my Super Ikonta(which I'd had for a while but not used as much as it deserved).
Aside from that, my fiancée really got me into walking, and there for a while I was up to about 4 miles a day. It was an enjoyable time, especially when we were together, although that quit when 90º and 90% RH hit...
There's plenty of stuff to do even without going around others. Grab take-out from a restaurant and go eat it in a park. A few weeks back, some friends invited me over to their back yard, and we sat around on opposite sides of their fire pit(probably a good 10+ feet apart) and chatted all evening, roasting marshmellows and hot dogs and drinking sweet tea(we are Baptists in Kentucky after all). I've used the time to call or Facetime people I haven't talked to in a while get caught up.
As things have opened back up, I have been out and about more, but I'm still diligent about keeping away from other people and wearing a mask.
I'm not going to lie that I miss things being the way they were, and hope that things eventually can return to something like the way they were before. I have(clinically diagnosed) anxiety and depression that's usually kept very well under control, but sometimes it does hit me hard being cut off from others. Still, though, I feel like I've fared well even with things like restaurants and my favorite "loafing spots" closed.
Of course not, and as always, no posts of actual personal pics or anecdotes, he "Went to Disney", but no photos, shocking.
We went to Universal at the beginning of the year (before this had escalated into a serious problem, we generally go 3-4 times a year ...), look, here's an ACTUAL PHOTO from our onsite resort suite, you know, because it actually happened ...
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That's great, I know you're a bit younger than me, but getting into those sort of health habits are great, especially with your SO
Of course not, and as always, no posts of actual personal pics or anecdotes, he "Went to Disney", but no photos, shocking.
We went to Universal at the beginning of the year (before this had escalated into a serious problem, we generally go 3-4 times a year ...), look, here's an ACTUAL PHOTO from our onsite resort suite, you know, because it actually happened ...
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That's great, I know you're a bit younger than me, but getting into those sort of health habits are great, especially with your SO
Nice! We‘re DVC members and visit Disney a few time a year. We miss it but are staying well clear until things improve. A shot from California Grill at the Contemporary Resort:
Holy smokes, wow, that's an amazing photo! Are you over here on the east coast?