COVID/Coronavirus non-political DISCUSSION thread

[Hieveryone]

Are you for real? You have a well earned reputation on here for ignoring everything anyone puts forward to you so you can push your "I don't care, everything is normal" narrative.

Unmm my ex girlfriend hung out with her new boyfriend, her roommates, went to the beach with her friends, then went home to see her mom, and they together went to see her GRANDPA. You think Americans like her give perspectives like yours the time of day? Nah. But I did
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Btw, I personally would NOT do what she did. I'm just glad everyone in her family is OK the way they've been acting

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Unmm my ex girlfriend hung out with her new boyfriend, her roommates, went to the beach with her friends, then went home to see her mom, and they together went to see her GRANDPA. You think Americans like her give perspectives like yours the time of day? Nah. But I did

These are the sorts of people who end up just being a statistic. Does she care about the point of view of intelligent people? Probably not, but then she is the sort of person I would rather become a victim than those who have been sensible and taken precautions. Those who take risks and are happy to pretend none of this is happening are welcome to the consequences as long as they don’t endanger others in the process.

 

[michael9891]

Unmm my ex girlfriend hung out with her new boyfriend, her roommates, went to the beach with her friends, then went home to see her mom, and they together went to see her GRANDPA. You think Americans like her give perspectives like yours the time of day? Nah. But I did
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Btw, I personally would NOT do what she did. I'm just glad everyone in her family is OK the way they've been acting

And that is relevant because.....

So now you're going to pretend you haven't been trying to convince people you believe the world is exactly the same as it's always been. And that you're not on here to wind people up and be deliberately controversial. OK.

You certainly deserve credit, but not for the reasons you think.

 

[Hieveryone]

These are the sorts of people who end up just being a statistic. Does she care about the point of view of intelligent people? Probably not, but then she is the sort of person I would rather become a victim than those who have been sensible and taken precautions. Those who take risks and are happy to pretend none of this is happening are welcome to the consequences as long as they don’t endanger others in the process.

Here’s the thing. She’s no dummy. She knows EXACTLY what she’s doing. But she’s 21, in the prime of her life, super hot, and not only feels invincible but lacks the empathy to actually care about others who MAY be “at risk”. That’s my opinion. I don’t believe for one second she doesn’t know what she’s doing or is unaware of what’s going on. She’s on her iPhone 25 hours a day. Oh and she’s a rich girl too, which only adds to her personality flaws IMO. My hope is that she’s at least getting tested regularly if she’s going to do what she does. Also, why does the family think it’s ok? It’s not like they don’t know. They just don’t care? I don’t get it

 

[Tigger11]

I think the U.S. has taken the best approach in the sense that it should be up to the individual to assess what they want to do within the confinements of the local rules put in place. The personal freedom aspect is what I love about the approach. For example, if someone wants to have a wedding, as long as it is allowed they should be able to have one. And if someone says I'd rather wait a few weeks for my wedding, they have that right too. Just one example. But nobody should dictate what you can and can't do in general. We must recognize people's personal freedoms IMO and not just throw it out the window
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That isn't the US approach, that is your approach. That is the approach of a D student. What is the minimum I can do to not get arrested for my actions. I will do that, is that the safe thing to do is that the correct approach, not at all. The wedding the other day was great, the groom is dead now and over 80 guests have the coronavirus, that was well thought out plan, or no wait it was not.

As for your comment about UGA, you do realize you are advertising that you went to the 3rd biggest party school in the country, and literally the day you posted that, if you googled 3rd biggest party school, it said University of Georgia, so basically you told a fib and we believed, sorry the rest of us don't spend a bunch of time typing lies on this site.

The entire county is worse off now then it was two months ago, as the majority of us told you it was going to be, you don't want us to be right, so you argue, but the facts are the facts. Florida a month ago had 2000 new cases a day, it now has 11,000 new cases a day. Florida set a record for number of cases a day of over 15,000. You, the macrumors poster most obsessed by money, think your governor is thinking about your safety not thinking about money, you told us that. You are bragging about going to Disney World a large gathering of people in the state of with the worst outbreak, where over 11,000 new cases are being diagnosed each day and hundreds are dying with most of the ICU beds in the entire state full. Is that you being safe or you being stupid? Which do you think? The disease is killing at least 4% of those infected, probably more than that since we have over 2.4 million people who have not yet recovered from the disease at this point, and those are the just the US numbers. The disease is just going to keep getting worse as long as you and your dumb friends, continue to go out and spread the disease. Six weeks with masks and this is over, you are working at keeping it going for years.
-Tig

 

[TiggrToo]

I think the U.S. has taken the best approach in the sense that it should be up to the individual to assess what they want to do within the confinements of the local rules put in place.

Of course you do, because that fits in with your false narrative.

If the US is doing so gosh darned well, then why are Apple stores across the country closing again? Why are numerous state's now requiring masks? Why are stores such as Kroger and CVS now requiring masks?

If the US is handling this well, why we looking at needing freezers for emergency morgues again? If this is so well handled why is the death rate increasing dramatically in states such as Florida (a state you're planning on visiting shortly).

If this is doing well then I'd really hate to see us doing badly...

 

[44267547]

Finally......

A county ordinance is now in effect where masking is mandated to be worn at all times. PRSI discussion aside (Nor interested), this way over due. Believe it or not, it was the retail industry in my area was pushing the request be made immediate collectively. As an investor in restaurant industry in my community, this is a huge milestone that will impact our daily living habitat in such a positive way, and for those who don’t want to mask, they can— A.) Stay home, B.) Pout and ‘Pound sand’ C.) Use online ordering for their needs. 😁

 

[D.T.]

The thing is, we already did the lockdown. Maybe lockdowns don't work??? How come nobody has asked that question?

Underlined = Because it's an unbelievably uniformed question. Is there any doubt, that the spread of a [person-to-person] contagious disease, is reduced by people being isolated? Of course not.

Finally......

A county ordinance is now in effect where masking is mandated to be worn at all times. PRSI discussion aside (Nor interested), this way over due. Believe it or not, it was the retail industry in my area was pushing the request be made immediate collectively. As an investor in restaurant industry in my community, this is a huge milestone that will impact our daily living habitat in such a positive way, and for those who don’t want to mask, they can— A.) Stay home, B.) Pout and ‘Pound sand’ C.) Use online ordering for their needs. 😁

Several major chains (including Publix, which is relevant to us) are going with required masks starting July 21st. Pretty much covers most of the major consumer grocery and goods stores.

These stores, businesses now require masks:

Apple
Best Buy
Costco
Dollar Tree
Family Dollar
H-E-B
Menards
Panera Bread
Starbucks
Verizon


Mask mandates coming to these stores, here's when mask requirements start:

BJ's Wholesale Club: Starts Monday, July 20.

CVS: Starts Monday, July 20.

Kohl's: Starts Monday, July 20.

Kroger: Starts Wednesday, July 22. (The grocer operates nearly 2,800 stores with several regional supermarket chains in 35 states, including Fred Meyer, Harris Teeter, Ralphs, Mariano's, Fry's, Smith's, King Soopers, QFC and others.)

Publix: Starts Tuesday, July 21.

Sam's Club: Starts Monday, July 20.

Schnuck Markets: Starts Monday, July 20.

Target: Starts Aug. 1.

Walgreens: Starts Monday, July 20.

Walmart: Starts Monday, July 20.

 

[TiggrToo]

Maybe lockdowns don't work??? How come nobody has asked that question?

You've outdone yourself here. You've posted some crazy-ass stuff in the past, but this about takes the prize for perhaps the most asinine and uninformed statement yet on Covid.

 

[bunnspecial]

Underlined = Because it's an unbelievably uniformed question. Is there any doubt, that the spread of a [person-to-person] contagious disease, is reduced by people being isolated? Of course not.




Hahaha, right? That "party ranking" and associated nonsense is laughable (notice there's never any personal photos, specific info, it's always generic info anyone can gather ...)





Several major chains (including Publix, which is relevant to us) are going with required masks starting July 21st. Pretty much covers most of the major consumer grocery and goods stores.

These stores, businesses now require masks:

Apple
Best Buy
Costco
Dollar Tree
Family Dollar
H-E-B
Menards
Panera Bread
Starbucks
Verizon


Mask mandates coming to these stores, here's when mask requirements start:

BJ's Wholesale Club: Starts Monday, July 20.

CVS: Starts Monday, July 20.

Kohl's: Starts Monday, July 20.

Kroger: Starts Wednesday, July 22. (The grocer operates nearly 2,800 stores with several regional supermarket chains in 35 states, including Fred Meyer, Harris Teeter, Ralphs, Mariano's, Fry's, Smith's, King Soopers, QFC and others.)

Publix: Starts Tuesday, July 21.

Sam's Club: Starts Monday, July 20.

Schnuck Markets: Starts Monday, July 20.

Target: Starts Aug. 1.

Walgreens: Starts Monday, July 20.

Walmart: Starts Monday, July 20.

Of that list, I think it's interesting that Schnuck's is on there.

The reason I say that is because, AFAIK, they are essentially concentrated in Illinois, which has had a mask mandate for a while now(one of the first in the country IIRC with me being too lazy to look it up), and Missouri. Many Missouri counties, including St. Louis, where Schnuck's is headquartered, have mask ordinances.

The one I'm in at least somewhat often(which is in Illinois-St. Louis Metro) always has a person stationed at the door who won't let people in without a mask.

My own state of Kentucky now has a mask mandate, and more states are popping up with them pretty much every day. It's not unlike how the Stay-At-Home orders happened back in April, with the exception of the fact that polls I've seen show overwhelming support for mask mandates(I'm not pulling numbers now since it's 11:00 at night, and I have carburetors to tear down before I go to bed so I can order parts tomorrow )

Stay-At-Home fundamentally altered the way we live, and I don't think anyone wants to see them again. Masks are an inconvenience-for me, they fog up my glasses and are miserable in sweltering heat. I have mild ashtma, and they don't generally bother me unless my heart rate/breathing really get up. If that happens in a situation where I need to where one, I find a place well distanced from everyone else(outside and I shoot for 20+ feet away from anyone else if possible), pull my mask away, sometimes use a puff or two of albuterol, and then mask up again after a couple of minutes once I've settled down.

My point in all of that, though, is that masks don't fundamentally change the way I go about my day aside from maybe needing an occasional rest I wouldn't otherwise need and being a bit uncomfortable/inconvenient. Stay-at-home really does affect everyone in varied and fairly dramatic ways that are too numerous to list here. Between the two, I'll take the inconvenience of wearing a mask(and doing the occasional thing to take care of myself when wearing one provided I can do so without risking others) rather than a return to stay at home. I see SAH coming back if cases continue to rise. Meanwhile, some of the experts are now predicting that this will all but be over in 4-8 weeks with universal masking. To me, it's an absolute no brainer.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Here’s the thing. She’s no dummy. She knows EXACTLY what she’s doing. But she’s 21, in the prime of her life, super hot, and not only feels invincible but lacks the empathy to actually care about others who MAY be “at risk”. That’s my opinion. I don’t believe for one second she doesn’t know what she’s doing or is unaware of what’s going on. She’s on her iPhone 25 hours a day. Oh and she’s a rich girl too, which only adds to her personality flaws IMO. My hope is that she’s at least getting tested regularly if she’s going to do what she does. Also, why does the family think it’s ok? It’s not like they don’t know. They just don’t care? I don’t get it

She sounds like the sort of self absorbed idiot I never had any interest in having a relationship with to be brutality honest. You paint a very dim view of your ex.

 

[Hieveryone]

She sounds like the sort of self absorbed idiot I never had any interest in having a relationship with to be brutality honest. You paint a very dim view of your ex.

Honestly she’d probably reject you if you tried. I only dated her because she’s hot 🤷‍♂️

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Honestly she’d probably reject you if you tried. I only dated her because she’s hot

I wouldn’t try mate, the rejection would already be subliminal from my side.

 

[Hieveryone]

Underlined = Because it's an unbelievably uniformed question. Is there any doubt, that the spread of a [person-to-person] contagious disease, is reduced by people being isolated? Of course not.




Hahaha, right? That "party ranking" and associated nonsense is laughable (notice there's never any personal photos, specific info, it's always generic info anyone can gather ...)





Several major chains (including Publix, which is relevant to us) are going with required masks starting July 21st. Pretty much covers most of the major consumer grocery and goods stores.

These stores, businesses now require masks:

Apple
Best Buy
Costco
Dollar Tree
Family Dollar
H-E-B
Menards
Panera Bread
Starbucks
Verizon


Mask mandates coming to these stores, here's when mask requirements start:

BJ's Wholesale Club: Starts Monday, July 20.

CVS: Starts Monday, July 20.

Kohl's: Starts Monday, July 20.

Kroger: Starts Wednesday, July 22. (The grocer operates nearly 2,800 stores with several regional supermarket chains in 35 states, including Fred Meyer, Harris Teeter, Ralphs, Mariano's, Fry's, Smith's, King Soopers, QFC and others.)

Publix: Starts Tuesday, July 21.

Sam's Club: Starts Monday, July 20.

Schnuck Markets: Starts Monday, July 20.

Target: Starts Aug. 1.

Walgreens: Starts Monday, July 20.

Walmart: Starts Monday, July 20.

first of all, did the lockdown work? And if not, why would it work if we did it again?

second, it feels better to not believe it than to think someone else has it and you never did so I don’t really blame you for that

third, some governors are making it a rule you can’t force masks I believe. Not sure about in-store though. Overall there’s a lot of mask resistance
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You've outdone yourself here. You've posted some crazy-ass stuff in the past, but this about takes the prize for perhaps the most asinine and uninformed statement yet on Covid.

Lol I can tell you’re really trying hard to drive home the point of how dissatisfied you are, but why don’t you tell me whether or not the last lockdown worked and why I should believe the next one will? At least I’m willing to hear the pro-lockdown argument. Millions of Americans wouldn’t even give perspectives like yours the time of the day. Girls like my ex-girlfriend are too busy running around living for the gram backing up her Mercedes into mail posts (happened last week 😂) and gleefully snapping it 🙄. She was literally putting on lipstick instead of looking at her rear view camera thinking it’d be a good idea to just check the mirror so she could do both SMH. I’m pretty sure corona hasn’t crossed her mind (in a serious way) in months lol. Just a guess

 

[michael9891]

Lock downs would work properly if you didn't get so many idiots ignoring them and acting like it's some kind of hoax. The longer people don't take this seriously, the longer it will take for normality to return.

Just because people aren't directly affected, they think it's overblown and restrictions aren't needed.

 

[TiggrToo]

but why don’t you tell me whether or not the last lockdown worked and why I should believe the next one will?

Yes. It did. Infection rates and deaths started to drop once the lockdown took affect.

Once the lockdowns were eased, infections and deaths began to rise.

Accounting for Global COVID-19 Diffusion Patterns, January-April 2020

Founded in 1920, the NBER is a private, non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to conducting economic research and to disseminating research findings among academics, public policy makers, and business professionals.

www.nber.org

COVID-19: One-month impact of the French lockdown on the epidemic burden

On March 16 2020, French authorities ordered a large scale lockdown to counter the COVID-19 epidemic wave rising in the country, stopping non-essential economic, educational, and entertainment activities, maintaining mainly food retailers and healthcare institutions. One month later, the number...

www.medrxiv.org

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00608

That's just three studies - I have oh so many more. Now, why don't you show us the "science" that backs up your apparent stance of "let it all loose"...

 

[BigMcGuire]

Coronavirus could be ‘under control’ in weeks if everyone wore masks, CDC director says

The United States could get the spread of coronavirus “under control” within a matter of weeks if everyone wore face coverings, CDC Director Robert Redfield said Tuesday.

www.washingtonpost.com

"Coronavirus could be ‘under control’ in weeks if everyone wore masks, CDC director says"

 

[maflynn]

first of all, did the lockdown work?

It did in Massachusetts., and the other northeast states are the few bright spots in this Pandemic here in the US.

When you have people going to Disneyworld, and others being so closed-minded about not wearing masks, its no wonder this pandemic is out of control in the US.

We have the ability to get rid of this disease nationwide in 3 to 4 weeks, yet people fight left and right about wearing masks. The thing with life is that we reap what we sow, there are repercussions to one's actions. You want to go out to the bar, to the beach and not practice social distancing then don't act surprised that pandemic numbers are not decreasing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The sad, and mean incredible sad thing is that I saw one of my local news reports interview a Floridan who's vacationing here in Mass (who by all accounts refused to self-quarantine) and she totally disagrees with wearing a mask. I'm sorry, if you don't like it, then go back to your own state and keep infecting those, but keep the disease out of my state.

This fits so well with regard to the pandemic

 

[JayMysterio]

Something to consider...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1284286795602067457

 

[44267547]

but why don’t you tell me whether or not the last lockdown worked and why I should believe the next one will?

I can’t answer that question regarding to that member you posed, however I would think for someone that is at your age of 50 or older (Which you and I both know that, amirite?) , especially living in the south, [Being that you don’t live in New York and never did], I would think you would value your health to consider a ‘lockdown‘ to be beneficial at your age (Especially With southern states loosing complete control over any glimpse of recovery). The reality is, it’s not really a true lockdown, it’s more of a insinuation to stay home with various establishments being closed (Unless a mandated curfew is on place like Broward County has in the great state of Floriduh), but you’re still free to do what you want in some respects to go out in public, gather essentials, ect.

But more than anything, in another thread you mentioned that you would avoid going to a dealership where a vehicle could possibly be contaminated with C/19, yet you have no concerns with you’re alleged outings in public like bars, mass gatherings. If I had to make an educated guess, you’re not out in public at all, you’re actually very much at home a lot. (I’d say I’m probably right again? Man, I’m good, agreed? 😁)

[FYI...Oh, and I’m not trolling you, I’m interjecting what’s necessary, as I think you’re fairly familiarized with our past discussions, given what we know . So I don’t want you to play that card. ]

 

[TiggrToo]

Regarding the virus, a lot of what was said pure hypothetical.

Baby Was Infected With Coronavirus in Womb, Study Reports (Published 2020)

Researchers said the case strongly suggests that Covid-19 can be transmitted in utero. Both the mother and baby have recovered.

www.nytimes.com

So now we have categorical proof that the virus can now be transmitted through the placenta and infect a fetus.

Not hypothetical. Real.

How many children and adults need to die before you grok that this isn’t just another version of the flue, this is an in-your-face pandemic that’s capable of killing millions of people and a major threat to the human race?

This isn’t a computer game, it isn’t a movie. We’re living in the worst health crisis in 100 years.

Business’s can be restarted, lives cannot.

And the worst thing is, we’re now starting to discover that recovery may not be the end of it. We’re getting the first signs that the effects of COVID-19 may potentially last a lifetime. So even if you do “recover” you may be at greater risk for a relapse, or worse.

All you want to do is go out and play. Can’t you see how selfish that is? Don’t you see that your actions, and those of people like you, are only serving to make this far worse for the rest of us? The virus stops being at risk when it stops being spread. You and your kind are allowing it to spread almost uncontrollably.

Or do you just not care?

There’s now multiple cases of folk who downplayed the risks who now find how real they are. Some of them died.

 

[C DM]

Or do you just not care?

Pretty much all indications lean toward that, and not just in regards to this particular topic.

 

[TiggrToo]

I disagree. IMO, there is NO WAY Delaware is #2. I know a girl who goes there and she comes to MY alma mater to party with her friends here. I also know a guy who goes to Tulane and he is the anti-thesis to greek life. Yes I get it's in nola but come on. I went to a private high school and I know the type that go to private colleges bc they all did. There's no way they're partying big there imo. UT at 8 is an insult. They are literally like the party Mecca of the world. They should be number 1 as much as I hate to admit it. FSU at 9? Nah. Where's UF? In fact, the fact that UF didn't even crack top 10 should be a MAJOR red flag. I know we're post tebow but you think they stopped partying ? Please. Look, if you're going to look these things up make sure it's from a really good source and make sure it follows common sense. Like...LeHigh? Are they serious? Do they even have greek life? Here's an image of kat's 7.3 MILLION dollar house at SMU. I know many people at SMU and trust me they PARTY. Where's there ranking? UGA is probably top 5 IMO though. If you want to think I went there that's fine with me tbh. Playboy ranked my alma mater the 3rd biggest party school when I was a freshman, and we've only improved since then. Are we as big as UT? Sadly no but I can't see how we'd fall below #2

Regarding the virus, a lot of what was said pure hypothetical. The thing is, we already did the lockdown. Maybe lockdowns don't work??? How come nobody has asked that question?

Seasonal flu usually claims up to 30,000 US lives each year, but in most serious cases can hit as high as 80,000.

It’s seasonal and there’s a vaccine.

Covid-19 in its premier year has claimed nigh on 140,000 US lives to date.

It’s not seasonal and there is no vaccine.

Let that sink in for a while.

There is no vaccine.
There is no natural stopping point.

Then, consider this: at worst case 80,000 people die a year from flu when we have the country wide open.

140,000 have died so far and the country is pretty gosh-darned locked down.

Next, don’t kid yourself that some sort of herd mentality is going to save you: it’s looking now that antibodies last only a few months at best - and this thing is mutating meaning that it may well be possible to get it twice in quick succession.

 

[TonyC28]

Seasonal flu usually claims up to 30,000 US lives each year, but in most serious cases can hit as high as 80,000.

It’s seasonal and there’s a vaccine.

Covid-19 in its premier year has claimed nigh on 140,000 US lives to date.

It’s not seasonal and there is no vaccine.

Let that sink in for a while.

There is no vaccine.
There is no natural stopping point.

Then, consider this: at worst case 80,000 people die a year from flu when we have the country wide open.

140,000 have died so far and the country is pretty gosh-darned locked down.

Next, don’t kid yourself that some sort of herd mentality is going to save you: it’s looking now that antibodies last only a few months at best - and this thing is mutating meaning that it may well be possible to get it twice in quick succession.

No vaccine, no natural stopping point, and antibodies only last a short time. So what do we do?

 

[Gregg2]

Wear a mask! Avoid people without a mask like the plague.