COVID/Coronavirus non-political DISCUSSION thread

[TiggrToo]

The numbers have.been fixed and or fudged especially in Florida.

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But AstraZeneca is already mass producing the vaccine.

No they're not. It's still in trials.

In addition, they're going to release it faster than normal because they're getting a **** ton of cash to do so, thus insulating them from the risks of finding out that it's not the magic bullet they'd hoped for.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that production means it's been fully tested and will work. They've gotten over $1bn in extra cash to go for a moonshot.

Normally they'd wait for more testing to avoid an otherwise costly failure. That doesn't apply here so they're going to go ahead with sonething that looks promising, but we'll not know it's effectiveness until well after it has been finally been used en-masse.

 

[benthewraith]

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No they're not. It's still in trials.

In addition, they're going to release it faster than normal because they're getting a **** ton of cash to do so, thus insulating them from the risks of finding out that it's not the magic bullet they'd hoped for.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that production means it's been fully tested and will work. They've gotten over $1bn in extra cash to go for a moonshot.

Normally they'd wait for more testing to avoid an otherwise costly failure. That doesn't apply here so they're going to go ahead with sonething that looks promising, but we'll not know it's effectiveness until well after it has been finally been used en-masse.

AstraZeneca advances response to global COVID-19 challenge as it receives first commitments for Oxford’s potential new vaccine

www.astrazeneca.com

AstraZeneca is aiming to produce 2 billion doses of a coronavirus vaccine — and it could be ready by September

The pharmaceutical company aims to distribute 1 billion shots to people in low and middle income countries, with 400 million doses ready this year.

www.cnbc.com

They aim to have 1 million doses by September. From the article

Soriot said the distribution was dependent on clinical trials taking place by August. Clinical trials and manufacturing are set to occur concurrently, which is an unprecedented move for the pharmaceutical industry because of the risk of producing a drug that might not work.

 

[benthewraith]

Unlike the mainstream press wackadoodlle conspiracies?
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The numbers have.been fixed and or fudged especially in Florida.

There is an increase in pneumonia deaths in the state of Florida, however, just because there's COVID going around doesn't negate that there's still influenza circulating in the population so we can't know how much it's being fixed or whether it's unintentional or coincidental. Florida's largest issue is that there's a major delay between testing and results, and Florida doesn't adjust figures for the dates the tests were conducted, rather counts them when they are received from the lab. Outside of the hospital setting, Florida's testing is about a week behind so new tests include patients from days prior and whatever the hospital tests report. Florida also doesn't track recoveries, so the current case count is unknown not only due to lack of testing but due to lack of acknowledging recoveries. One could do a presumptive recovery count by subtracting from the total case number the number of deaths and the number of people who were diagnosed with COVID >14 days ago, but the problem is that people wind up on ventilators and linger for awhile before going. They're starting to figure out that ventilators aren't always the correct solution, or that due to microvascular clotting as a result of the virus are getting inaccurate oxygen counts, leading to over-oxygenation.

Anecdotal reports have come in that people were getting positive tests after being turned away from testing sites (they were never swabbed). What is most troubling and the biggest sign that Florida doesn't have COVID under control is the situation in South Florida's hospitals. Multiple hospitals in Broward/Palm Beach/Miami-Dade are reporting <20% ICU capacity, and a large number are reporting zero ICU capacity. Hillsborough is also getting slammed as of recent. Hospitals are expanding ICUs to keep up with the demand but there's only so much physical space and only so many nurses, many of whom are contracting covid themselves. Jackson Memorial is converting some holding areas and certain sections of the hospital to COVID floors, but they're getting absolutely slammed. Baptist on Kendall is down to just a handful of ICU beds.

We need to lockdown again.

 

[Tigger11]

Unlike the mainstream press wackadoodlle conspiracies?
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The numbers have.been fixed and or fudged especially in Florida.

I'm sorry I don't believe the numbers I believe they are faking them, is incorrect. We KNOW that deaths in the US over the previous 5 year average is way up. So either your friends the Reptoids are killing 10s of 1000s of people each month, or a Pandemic is, you decide which of those two theories you are going with, and let us know. In addition, since the states with the largest number of cases/deaths from Covid are the states showing the largest increase vs the 5 year average this really hurts your Reptoid theory. Lastly ALL states excess loss of life versus the 5 year average exceeds the deaths counted for COVID, which is why we know the death count for COVID (IN 50 states plus DC) is higher then what is being reported. Just one data point to help you understand. In March 2020, COVID deaths were counted as about 2000, the number of extra deaths in March 2020 over the average of March 2015-2019 is just over 6000. We have 4000 extra deaths not counting COVID in March of 2020. Lots of those were Covid, noone counts them. In my state their is two ways for a death to be listed as COVID 1) Having been told you had a positive test before you die (if you test and die before you receive you results you will not be be listed as such), 2) if an Autopsy is done on the body, my wife has had family members who likely died of it, but in this financial climate noone is paying the $6000 to have an autopsy done. One of our clinics has been testing 250 cases a week since sometime in March, they test 125 of Monday and then test another 125 on Wednesday. For March and April they were having a 4% positive rate on average (so 10 cases each week, by the end of June (Memorial Day idiocy) that number had popped to 14% or about 35 cases were positive each week, last two weeks we are running at 20*%, or over 50 cases from the one clinic. We as americans need to take this more seriously, or its going to kill alot more. California now has seen the most cases, and we racked up over 1000 dead today for the first time since May.
-Tig

 

[TiggrToo]

I'm sorry I don't believe the numbers I believe they are faking them, is incorrect. We KNOW that deaths in the US over the previous 5 year average is way up. So either your friends the Reptoids are killing 10s of 1000s of people each month, or a Pandemic is, you decide which of those two theories you are going with, and let us know. In addition, since the states with the largest number of cases/deaths from Covid are the states showing the largest increase vs the 5 year average this really hurts your Reptoid theory. Lastly ALL states excess loss of life versus the 5 year average exceeds the deaths counted for COVID, which is why we know the death count for COVID (IN 50 states plus DC) is higher then what is being reported. Just one data point to help you understand. In March 2020, COVID deaths were counted as about 2000, the number of extra deaths in March 2020 over the average of March 2015-2019 is just over 6000. We have 4000 extra deaths not counting COVID in March of 2020. Lots of those were Covid, noone counts them. In my state their is two ways for a death to be listed as COVID 1) Having been told you had a positive test before you die (if you test and die before you receive you results you will not be be listed as such), 2) if an Autopsy is done on the body, my wife has had family members who likely died of it, but in this financial climate noone is paying the $6000 to have an autopsy done. One of our clinics has been testing 250 cases a week since sometime in March, they test 125 of Monday and then test another 125 on Wednesday. For March and April they were having a 4% positive rate on average (so 10 cases each week, by the end of June (Memorial Day idiocy) that number had popped to 14% or about 35 cases were positive each week, last two weeks we are running at 20*%, or over 50 cases from the one clinic. We as americans need to take this more seriously, or its going to kill alot more. California now has seen the most cases, and we racked up over 1000 dead today for the first time since May.
-Tig

I'm kinda shocked that we've not seen many claims yet that Covid is simply a smokescreen for a the Illuminati sponsored alien reptile stormtroopers from planet X harvesting the human race in preperation for their global takeover and establishment of the New World Order and the rise of the mudpeople.

Of course, now I've mentioned it...

 

[niploteksi]

There is an increase in pneumonia deaths in the state of Florida, however, just because there's COVID going around doesn't negate that there's still influenza circulating in the population so we can't know how much it's being fixed or whether it's unintentional or coincidental.

In Sweden the number of influenza infections dropped drastically after the recommendations against covid-19 were released in March. People were bering told to stay at home for basically any kind of symptoms and the government got rid of the waiting day and set the sickness pay from day one. They also temporarily made exceptions from the need to be able to show a doctor's note. Naturally the problem still existed with people going to work presymptomatic.

So if influenza goes down, the excess deaths should logically be attributed to covid.

Lastly ALL states excess loss of life versus the 5 year average exceeds the deaths counted for COVID, which is why we know the death count for COVID (IN 50 states plus DC) is higher then what is being reported.

They are likely higher in most countries. There is data out there for anyone who wants to find it, but I suppose more data over excess deaths will come in later. I also think it's not very popular to display excess deaths because they are almost always higher than the official number of deaths related to covid. For example, the UK has a much higher excess death number that what is connected to covid. Yet they are doing a recount because they think the numbers are too high. Maybe the deaths actually caused directly by covid is lower than the official numbers, but that only mean that the lockdowns or other effects caused even more excess deaths than what the data showed.

It seems obvious (to me) that the excess deaths are caused by the pandemic in either way, be it from direct cause of the virus, or the effects of lockdown or people just not seeking healthcare.

From my own experience from this spring it's not surprising. I stayed home multiple times because I had a slight cough or a sore throat. Yet I couldn't get a test, because you only got tested if you went into the hospital with severe symptoms of covid. And the funny part is that if you only displayed mild symptoms you weren't actually welcome to the hospital, but you still couldn't get tested. I missed several doctors appointments because I had a slight cough or a runny nose. Now they're suddenly testing everyone. Why the gap between covid deaths and actually excess death in Sweden is so small I have no idea. A positive thing is that now when the schools open after summer and people get back to work, there is an actual apparatus for testing in place for active infection and antibodies.

 

[michael9891]

I haven't read all the posts in full, so maybe it's been mentioned.

While companies are indeed mass producing vaccines already and will have x amount of doses by September or the end of the year, that doesn't mean they'll be given out to the public by that time. It just means if/when a vaccine is passed as safe, they'll be ready to go.

 

[0388631]

As far as I understand, it'll be offered to first responders and the sort months before the general public.

 

[Hieveryone]

I did see Fauci on ig though. He was not social distancing at a baseball game bc he was sitting right next to his friends, AND not wearing his mask properly. It was below his chin. Maybe he’s over it too 😂

 

[BigMcGuire]

There are people that smoke all their lives too and don’t die. Must be ok to smoke then. They look healthy! (/sarcasm).

 

[Scepticalscribe]

So, should the 146,000 deaths from Covid-19 (as of yesterday, according to the CDC the actual number is 145,942) in the US be marked with a campus frat party?

 

[Tigger11]

I mean I guess so. I had been keeping up to date but have been on vacation so just been busy with other things.

I did see Fauci on ig though. He was not social distancing at a baseball game bc he was sitting right next to his friends, AND not wearing his mask properly. It was below his chin. Maybe he’s over it too 😂

Actually he was doing exactly as he was supposed to, literally there are 3 people in the picture, Fauci, his wife and his best friend, and Fauci took his mask down to take a drink. In addition since Fauci had tested negatively literally that day him having his mask down for a few minutes couldn't have infected his wife or his best friend. On the other hand, bar flies such as yourself, can infect dozens at every bar you go to and cause the need for the second shutdown and cancellation of all fall events.
-Tig

 

[Hieveryone]

Regarding corona I'm not up to speed on what's going on but honestly I've lost interest. I do understand how frustrating it must be for those still sitting at home watching everyone else going out and having a great time living normally. I'd be mad at them too, call them "flies", double down on the fear mongering, etc lol

 

[C DM]

Regarding corona I'm not up to speed on what's going on but honestly I've lost interest. I do understand how frustrating it must be for those still sitting at home watching everyone else going out and having a great time living normally. I'd be mad at them too, call them "flies", double down on the fear mongering, etc lol

Sounds like perhaps "understand" isn't quite the right word there.

 

[Hieveryone]

The Chainsmokers concert in Southampton looks like it was a lot of fun. I don't think these people are afraid of corona. I do hope they come to where I’m at. I love the chainsmokers and would love to take my girlfriend

NY Gov Cuomo launches probe into 'illegal and reckless' Chainsmokers concert where thousands ignored social distancing

NEW York governor Andrew Cuomo has launched an investigation into an “illegal and reckless” concert held by The Chainsmokers in Southampton, the Hamptons, over the weekend. The gig was …

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[michael9891]

On what planet is a gathering like that sensible right now? There's a big difference between going about your day and not being bothered about coming into contact with people and deliberately contributing to spreading it like all those idiots.

And given that the music they make is complete *****, fun is not a word I would use.

 

[C DM]

The Chainsmokers concert in Southampton looks like it was a lot of fun. I don't think these people are afraid of corona. I do hope they come to where I’m at. I love the chainsmokers and would love to take my girlfriend

There are plenty of people that believe or do all kinds of things, it doesn't really say much about those things (in particular whether those things are good or not, etc.).

Cuomo calls packed Chainsmokers Hamptons concert ‘illegal & reckless’

Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Monday blasted a weekend Hamptons concert by The Chainsmokers where revelers openly flouted coronavirus social distancing rules as he said that the state Health Department will…

nypost.com

 

[Hieveryone]

On what planet is a gathering like that sensible right now? There's a big difference between going about your day and not being bothered about coming into contact with people and deliberately contributing to spreading it like all those idiots.

And given that the music they make is complete *****, fun is not a word I would use.

I mean I went to Disney World with my girlfriend and it was a great vacation. I personally don't think these people are idiots, but I do think people should follow their local rules and regulations. So if they are not, then that's unfortunate. That being said, it must be very frustrating for those still sitting at home watching others having fun. I couldn't do it. And whether or not you like the Chainsmokers probably depends on what generation you are in. Young people like them a lot

 

[BigMcGuire]

Until they start fining and putting out real consequences for keeping this virus going ... it’s going to keep growing. How many people have to die before some start giving a damn? The selfishness is beyond damning in this part of humanity.

 

[Hieveryone]

Until they start fining and putting out real consequences for keeping this virus going ... it’s going to keep growing. How many people have to die before some start giving a damn? The selfishness is beyond damning in this part of humanity.

Well right now it’s like what would they fine people for? Everything’s open, at least in a large part of our country. You are allowed to go to the bars with friends, etc

 

[michael9891]

I'm not stuck at home, nor am I frustrated. Only ignorant people would want to cram together with thousands of others right now. The longer people try to pretend everything is normal and act like this, the longer an actual normality will take to return.

A generation thing? More like a taste thing. Maybe they're desperate for money, that's why they held the show in the first place. No major artist would be considering a show right now.

 

[Hieveryone]

Heck even Disney world is open lol

 

[C DM]

Well right now it’s like what would they fine people for? Everything’s open, at least in a large part of our country. You are allowed to go to the bars with friends, etc

Part of the fundamental issue is that there isn't a cohesive and organized response to something that's so widespread and far-reaching that needs at last that, if not more.

 

[Hieveryone]

Part of the fundamental issue is that there isn't a cohesive and organized response to something that's so widespread and far-reaching that needs at last that, if not more.

I actually like it the way it is. I feel like there’s a lot of personal freedom which I think is better than some far reaching restrictive response. For many of us, it’s like the virus doesn’t exist in terms of going out, vacations, restaurants, etc

If there was some large widespread response it may be restrictive

 

[D.T.]

You are allowed to go to the bars with friends, etc

Bars are closed in Florida, the whole state. So if you visited here like you claim, the virus clearly affected you "in terms of going out ..."

Oh, and to address your new response SOP in advance: I'm not frustrated, mad, I'm exercising appropriate concern and behavior. To the latter point, this weekend, we took out the SUP, met friends on the boat but stayed isolated on our own little parts of the island, swam, drank, danced, had a great time - in a responsible manner.