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If it shows 32bit then you are in good shape. High chance it will run on a Windows 10 ARM and it is possible to run a Windows ARM VM on Mac with ARM chips.

Thank you for the hint.
But probably we will switch completely to pc and Windows 10 in buying Windows-equivalents of the other Software.

May be I will use a Mac at home.
But we can not drive a medical practice without easy to use voice recognition - this is just not possible.
 
If you came to me and said this then I would tell you to clear out your desk and turn in your Intel Mac laptop.
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You build and test on the OS you're deploying on. If you don't then you're lousy at your job.

This tells me all I need to know that you know nothing about modern development sir - well written code and software should be written in a way to be built and run in as many places as possible. This approach you propose is really only relevant when you want to code below your API layer - which isn't where 90% of the worlds developers reside.
 
I believe that the OP was indicating that a lot of engineering software is Windows based.

This software was never compiled for MacOS and it's doubtful that it would ever be recompiled for ARM.

Not only that commercial development aps that I use in chip design, work in intel/Linux.
Tot means that those apps that I use, I will need to buy a windows laptop to run VMWare.
Intel virtualization, on ARM is not going to work; at least not for my needs.

So if I can't run my design software on a VM on my Mac, I'll buy whatever I can that is Intel.
 
How dare he finance the expensive video he makes for his independent web site?
Ever see the super bowl? Know how the ads are actually fun to watch? Interesting in some way? Don’t make you so bored that you want to smash your computer into bits?

My beef is with the quality of the ad, not the presence of the ad.
 
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This tells me all I need to know that you know nothing about modern development sir - well written code and software should be written in a way to be built and run in as many places as possible. This approach you propose is really only relevant when you want to code below your API layer - which isn't where 90% of the worlds developers reside.

There are some issues not deploying to all, it is why Linus Torvalds has been somewhat negative about ARM taking up servers.


Of course being the guy who created Linux doesn’t mean he’s 100% correct, I guess it’s a space with lots of different opinions and I’ve seen people disagree with him. Apparently Steve Jobs also favoured native.
 
They’re already the only 1.5 trillion dollar company in the world by doing what they’re doing.

But they are going to do different things - may be without Windows Compatibility they are not a 1.5 trillion company anymore.
It is not the 'magic' processor.
It is the software and they are losing a lot of it.

I bought Macs because of the ability to run all kinds of OS and software.
Now they are losing that.
 
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There are some issues not deploying to all, it is why Linus Torvalds has been somewhat negative about ARM taking up servers.


Of course being the guy who created Linux doesn’t mean he’s 100% correct, I guess it’s a space with lots of different opinions.

If you follow his behavior and some whacky things he‘s said or done, he may only have been right once :)
 
But they are going to do different things - may be without Windows Compatibility they are not a 1.5 trillion company anymore.

Macs (all models) are less than 10% of their revenue. Bootcamp users are a small fraction of that. Even if all the people who use Bootcamp were to abandon the Mac tomorrow, Apple would be just fine.

I get that it really sucks for people who rely on Bootcamp/Windows support, but this isn't the end-of-days scenarios that some of you are making out to be.
 
Macs (all models) are less than 10% of their revenue. Bootcamp users are a small fraction of that. Even if all the people who use Bootcamp were to abandon the Mac tomorrow, Apple would be just fine.

I get that it really sucks for people who rely on Bootcamp/Windows support, but this isn't the end-of-days scenarios that some of you are making out to be.

Since a lot of things that makes Apple money relies on Xcode to develop and only MacOS can be used for it, I always feel Macs only accounting for 10% of the revenue although factually correct on a product sales basis, can be misleading. The importance of Macs cannot be understated imo.

I guess you want as many people to have macOS so that the developer pool is higher. If someone ends up not buying a MacBook due to not being able to dual boot, well it sucks I guess. And Apple know that so they will try find a solution.
 
Since a lot of things that makes Apple money relies on Xcode to develop and only MacOS can be used for it, I always feel Macs only accounting for 10% of the revenue although factually on a product sales basis, can be misleading.

I guess you want as many people to have macOS so that the developer pool is higher. If someone ends up not buying a MacBook due to not being able to dual boot, well it sucks I guess. And Apple know that so they will try find a solution.
That person wasn’t going to develop for ios or mac anyway, then, right? I mean, if you are going to develop for those systems, practically speaking you need a mac. And it’s not like i can buy a dell and run Xcode on it - so while the penalty of using an Arm mac is no windows, the penalty of using a PC is no macOS. You can pick which penalty you prefer.
 
That person wasn’t going to develop for ios or mac anyway, then, right? I mean, if you are going to develop for those systems, practically speaking you need a mac. And it’s not like i can buy a dell and run Xcode on it - so while the penalty of using an Arm mac is no windows, the penalty of using a PC is no macOS. You can pick which penalty you prefer.
I was going to say exactly that but you beat me to it.

The unfortunate reality is that cross-platform developers may eventually have to own multiple machines (if they don't already) unless Apple and Microsoft can come to an agreement.
 
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That person wasn’t going to develop for ios or mac anyway, then, right? I mean, if you are going to develop for those systems, practically speaking you need a mac. And it’s not like i can buy a dell and run Xcode on it - so while the penalty of using an Arm mac is no windows, the penalty of using a PC is no macOS. You can pick which penalty you prefer.
It isn’t that simple believe me, I am talking from experience especially at a key stage such as university level - where students made the decision to pay more for an Apple due to being able to have the best of both worlds - and are now potentially an iOS dev of the future.

In a commercial environments it’s a different story but adoption is key - and it’s why companies from Microsoft to JetBrains provide a lot of free software to students to get them in the ecosystem.
 
Honestly this transition all seems like a big deal over nothing. My 2020 Intel-based MacBook Air isn't going to find itself suddenly obsolete and the software I use to run Windows on it will be usable for years to come and in that time I'm sure they'll find solutions for people who buy ARM-Macs and need Windows
 
Was he eating during that ad? Like a three course meal? Because he had time, and who knows what’s going on behind that facial hair.
Hmm, I recently discovered that YouTube has controls that actually allow one to skip to random points in a video in substantially less time that it would take to simply watch until the normal progression of the video arrives at that spot. What’ll they think of next? ;) Actual video content starts about 10:15 in, set off by titles and stuff. I watched the first 30 seconds, and then started skipping forward until I hit the main content, then backed up a bit. He still got his ad revenue.
 
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There’s probably not a large market for a non-x86 processor that’s designed to run iOS/macOS.
You're right. Who would ever buy a device running iOS on a non-x86 chip? what would they even call it? An i-computer... or an iPhone? That would never take off, they probably shouldn't even attempt it.

Seriously though, most people don't care what their computer runs on. The average person doesn't know what x86 is or how that is different from ARM. If it lasts a long time while letting them do what they need to do (browse the web, type documents, watch videos, edit photos, play music), that's most of the market covered. From there, it's just a matter of putting it at a price that people can stomach, and making it look better than the competition. Average people don't care how their computer does what it does, just that it does it well.
 
But they are going to do different things - may be without Windows Compatibility they are not a 1.5 trillion company
Apple didn't become a $1.5 Trillion company because of the Mac. It actually became that big in spite of it (iPod, iPhone, iPad, Services). But the Mac is still a $20 billion a year business so it isn't exactly irrelevant.
 
Not only that commercial development aps that I use in chip design, work in intel/Linux.
Tot means that those apps that I use, I will need to buy a windows laptop to run VMWare.
Intel virtualization, on ARM is not going to work; at least not for my needs.

So if I can't run my design software on a VM on my Mac, I'll buy whatever I can that is Intel.

I use both MacOS and Windows although I prefer MacOS.

When I eventually need a new computer, I'll see if an ARM based Mac satisfies my requirements at the time. If not, I have no problems getting a Windows computer as my replacement.

A computer is just a tool.
 
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The unfortunate reality is that cross-platform developers may eventually have to own multiple machines (if they don't already) unless Apple and Microsoft can come to an agreement.
To be fair, that was the standard and necessary practice for a much longer time than we’ve had cross-platform development on a single machine.

I‘d love to see Apple put a bit of an API on Rosetta2, so that software like Parallels could use it for some measure of translation and high efficiency emulation, to make x86 software run at least decently, but if they can’t, or don’t, I’ll work around it (the main thing I might want x86 for is a few PC games - not cutting edge stuff - and I can build a small gaming rig for that if I feel motivated enough to do so).
 
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All I can say is that I will be so glad to sacrifice Bootcamp compatibility and windows gaming so I can have a thin and light desktop computer that I can carry with me daily that has great battery life if I ever decide to NOT plug it in.
 
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