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Does anybody remember ALL the times Jobs stated he did NOT want AAPL products to be ONLY for the rich ???
I think people remember more all the expensive products Jobs actually shipped.
OK, well, if I can run an X86 app, that's a product like the current VMWare or Parallels, right? That is correct, you could (most likely) fire up (an Intel version) Parallels Desktop on an ARM mac
I don’t think so. Upon starting up, Parallels likely makes a hardware call to check what kind of Intel processor is available and then promptly crashes.
 
Apple is a public company and obligated to maximize shareholder profits, same as any other public company.

If they're sitting on CPUs that can actually blow the competition out of the water by orders of magnitude (and are desireable to anyone to use in any situation), why wouldn't they spin off the division and sell on the open market? There's much more money on that table than hoping that the world will buy into thier platform in a massive way...
 
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Lack of x86 virtualization is the kiss of death for the Mac for majority of developers. This is not those who are prisoners of the Apple iOS eco-system.
Vast majority of developers using Macs are iOS / iPadOS developers. As long as that remains true, they'll still be using Macs.
 
So we're losing Windows support AND a switch that will force us to lose or rebuy software?
How are we benefiting again?
Saving money by not buying any future Macs?
why wouldn't they spin off the division and sell on the open market? There's much more money on that table than hoping that the world will buy into thier platform in a massive way...
They’re already the only 1.5 trillion dollar company in the world by doing what they’re doing. Plus, the performance they’re obtaining is not JUST from the processor, it’s from the tight integration of the processor with the supporting hardware and software. That’s a level of integration AMD and Intel would never be able to hit because they have to be “good enough” for a wide swath of customers.
 
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I don’t think so. Upon starting up, Parallels likely makes a hardware call to check what kind of Intel processor is available and then promptly crashes.

Yeah, I took a little "creative liberty" with whether Parallels would even fire up, the point being, it's not that Parallels the app itself is/isn't capable of running, it's the "contained" VM. :)
 
"We aren't merging the Mac with iOS, we are just moving all the iOS APIs to the Mac and deprecating Mac APIs."

Yes, that's not a merger, it's a full-out replacement.
If Mac OS is not watered down from a user perspective i have no problem with that. I can understand they want to remove code duplication as much as possible if it's what we are talking about.
 
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Lack of x86 virtualization is the kiss of death for the Mac for majority of developers. This is not those who are prisoners of the Apple iOS eco-system.
Majority? Really? I use a Mac all day to develop on x86 VMs... which are running on actual server hardware in the lab.
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Apple started losing market share when the Mac came out with no native support for the Apple II. Wonder whatever happened to them?
I think that whole Mac thing is just a fad. It’ll blow over any day now.
 
Yeah, I took a little "creative liberty" with whether Parallels would even fire up, the point being, it's not that Parallels the app itself is/isn't capable of running, it's the "contained" VM. :)
What can I say? I’ve been watching the WWDC videos! LOL I’m currently on “Port your Mac app to Apple Silicon”.
 
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Vast majority of developers using Macs are iOS / iPadOS developers. As long as that remains true, they'll still be using Macs.

I'd also add to that, the huge number of developers using Macs for non-MS stack based web / ML development: Python, Ruby, Go, Java, PHP (and their various frameworks), all the non-MS DBs (SQL/non-SQL flavors), etc.
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What can I say? I’ve been watching the WWDC videos! LOL I’m currently on “Port your Mac app to Apple Silicon”.

:D I definitely want to catch up on the available videos, I was going to last night, then I wound up falling asleep while watching Attack on Titan, that led to some __disturbing__ dreams ... o_O
 
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Majority? Really? I use a Mac all day to develop on x86 VMs... which are running on actual server hardware in the lab.
Doesn't sound like your a typical user of VMs. Most people who do web stuff run VMs locally and those can only be x86. No x86 virtualization is the death knell for Macs as a developer platform. You're an outlier.
 
There is a version of Windows 10 that can run on ARM but there isn't much developer interest. Most applications of any value on Windows are x86-based.

Therefore, who would have guessed, there is x86 emulation similar to Rosetta 2 built into Windows ARM. This enables you to run Windows ARM under MacOS Virtualization and still running x86 Windows apps.
 
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That these plugins did not get updated over the several years of warnings, makes it clear that they have been abandoned. I understand that some of these tools are very important to some users, but I think that the benefit to the community of pushing things forward exceeds the loss. The best way to prevent this problems is to keep the platform popular with competitive specs and wide availability apps (something that you have pointed out will improve with native compatibility of iOS and iPadOS apps).

This is my take as well - if a company fails me on a transition by Microsoft or Apple and they refuse to keep up - its my signal to work to find an alternative - same thing happened when Microsoft pushed for x64 and higher RAM usage of pro apps - some applications never converted - so they lost my business - every single piece of software has at least 2 options - if they dont - you really cornered yourself by building your livelihood on a single tool.
 
Doesn't sound like your a typical user of VMs. Most people who do web stuff run VMs locally and those can only be x86. No x86 virtualization is the death knell for Macs as a developer platform. You're an outlier.

Why can local VMs "only be x86"? We run local LAMP ubuntu x86 VMs for web development, but I'm not seeing why those couldn't be ubuntu ARM VMs instead. And of course there are already free x86 emulation solutions for ARM. In 6 months it wouldn't surprise me if the bigger players announced something, unless they just don't like selling software.
 
are we really going to complain about a guy making a living by putting an ad in the *front* of his content, *easily* skippable, that *doesn't interrupt* a one hour and twenty minute interview with major apple execs that benefit the entire apple community?

I’m mostly complaining about the fact that it was super boring. There are ways to make live ads interesting and engaging, and at least enjoyable enough to not make me want to jab an ice pick into my ear. And if it’s going to be that boring, it needs to be shorter.
 
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Lack of x86 virtualization is the kiss of death for the Mac for majority of developers. This is not those who are prisoners of the Apple iOS eco-system.

This is just not true -

If you are building anything for the web, you dont need x86 at all - the vast majority of the tech on the web doesn't care about x86. .NET, Java, Node, Serverless all run outside of a area where x86 matters - sure older architecture web may need x86 - but even your basic Wordpress Blog can run on non-x86 hardware because there are non-x86 Linux Distros

If you are building for IoT devices, most are running on non-x86 processors - so they are ok.

If you are building for robotics, you weren't running that on x86 anyway as well.

Really - the only people stuck in this transition as a developer are those who are building x86 applications for Windows - and for most of those people - why were you using a Mac in the first place? Outside of the computers physical specs, you were getting less for your dollar.
 
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