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Following WWDC, Apple's senior vice president of software engineering Craig Federighi said that Apple will continue to protect its customers amid "innovation" in the world of privacy exploitation and that Apple believes it "can largely stay ahead" of the curve to protect users.

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In an exclusive interview with Fast Company, Federighi talked about new announcements that Apple made during WWDC on Monday, including Private Relay for iCloud+. Many are attributing the feature to a VPN, but Federighi notes that VPNs require users to trust the VPN provider with their data, whereas Private Relay doesn't include the need for a third party to encrypt and redirect the internet traffic.
Why did Apple develop this technology rather than build a more conventional VPN into its operating systems? "Core to the nature of the internet is that the IP address is traditionally exposed between the requester and the host – and that has some privacy knock on effects that aren't always understandable to users and certainly aren't always desirable to users. And so that's a problem we wanted to solve," says Federighi. He notes an unprotected IP has led to vectors for abuse by bad actors. "VPNs are a technology that has sought to provide some of those protections, but they do involve putting a lot of trust in a single centralized entity: the VPN provider. And that's a lot of responsibility for that intermediary, and involves the user making a really difficult trust decision about exposing all of that information to a single entity."
Federighi further said that Apple wanted to remove the need for users to trust it, or another company, allowing them to enjoy the end-user experience without the privacy trade-off.
"We hope users believe in Apple as a trustworthy intermediary, but we didn't even want you to have to trust us [because] we don't have this ability to simultaneously source your IP and the destination where you're going to–and that's unlike VPNs. And so we wanted to provide many of the benefits that people are seeking when in the past they've decided to use a VPN, but not force that difficult and conceivably perilous privacy trade-off in terms of trusting it a single intermediary."
Speaking generally about Apple’s privacy values, and some resistance to them from companies like Facebook, Federighi said that Apple believes it can continue to lead the industry, and especially as the incentives for finding privacy "exploitations" are high.
"I think the analogy with security is apt," Federighi says of the feline-and-rodent comparison. "The incentives for 'innovation' in the exploitation world are high, and so there is a lot of advancement in the art of tracking; a lot of advancement in the arts of security exploits. And so, in both areas, we think there's going to continue to be a cat and mouse game. We think we bring a lot of tools to that fight, and we can largely stay ahead of it and protect our customers. But it’s something we recognize as a battle we will be fighting for years to come."
The full interview which includes Federighi talking about how governments and the industry should treat privacy can be read on Fast Comapny.

Article Link: Craig Federighi: Apple Will Continue to 'Protect Our Customers' Amid 'Innovation' in Privacy Exploitation
 

Cubsfan

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Except our customers in China, where we're forced by the government to hand over everything, so we can protect our marketshare there. Then we don't believe in privacy.
What would your proposed alternative be?

Offer this in china and get banned, so everyone in china is required to use phones that support zero privacy?

Pull out of China? What problem does that solve for Chinese citizens?

Edit: Everyone wants to say that Apple sucks for not doing stuff like this in China, but is unable to propose a solution that actually improves the lives of Chinese citizens.
 
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JosephAW

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Except our customers in China, where we're forced by the government to hand over everything, so we can protect our marketshare there. Then we don't believe in privacy.
There’s an 800 pound gorilla in the room but nobody wants to acknowledge it at Apple. :rolleyes:
Bottom line, they are in the business to make money and will comply with all foreign government regulations.
 

NT1440

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After yesterday's WWDC they do seem committed to protecting customers from innovation of any kind ?
Live text seems like it’s going to be incredibly useful, along with several other introduced features. And that doesn’t even touch Assistive Touch which is *massively* innovative and opens the door to technology for millions who couldn’t use it before ?‍♂️

But innovation simply means “things I want” these days right?
 

matrix07

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Thank you Craig - The Master Guru.

But what about this article.. isn’t this a violation of protecting privacy. Is this all talk or what 😂

“The incident occurred in 2016 at a repair facility run by Apple supplier Pegatron in California.”
If anything this is a proof that Right To Repair can be dangerous.
 

mclld

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I'm tired of these companies bowing to China, they love to virtue signaling to no end but when it comes to money in the China market or somewhere similar their ethics go out the window. No excuses for Apple.or any other company that does it
 

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Live text seems like it’s going to be incredibly useful, along with several other introduced features. And that doesn’t even touch Assistive Touch which is *massively* innovative and opens the door to technology for millions who couldn’t use it before ?‍♂️

But innovation simply means “things I want” these days right?
Universal Control also seems neat, to add to the above. Also, assistive touch isn't new.

You could call a disembodied feature here and there on an otherwise iterative package "innovation" too. But innovation, as we have associated it with the Apple of the late 90s, would mean "let's reimagine the future of personal computing now that our tablets and computers are using literally the same components". That's the thing we wanted these days since the M1 iPad announcement and we didn't get in the slightest, nor does Apple seem to care.

I see the apologists are awakening again after the shock of yesterday's poopshow has subsided.
 
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Cubsfan

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I'm tired of these companies bowing to China, they love to virtue signaling to no end but when it comes to money in the China market or somewhere similar their ethics go out the window. No excuses for Apple.or any other company that does it
Can you please propose your solution that makes the lives of Chinese citizens better? Please keep in mind that Apple breaking the law likely means that iOS devices are banned in China.

Edit: Or is this just to make you feel better, without actually solving any problems?
 

transpo1

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What would your proposed alternative be?

Offer this in china and get banned, so everyone in china is required to use phones that support zero privacy?

Pull out of China? What problem does that solve for Chinese citizens?

Edit: Everyone wants to say that Apple sucks for not doing stuff like this in China, but is unable to propose a solution that actually improves the lives of Chinese citizens.
There isn't any good solution. But it's important to point out the hypocrisy of supposedly woke corporations who fight for social justice causes in some countries but not others. It's called awareness.
 

MauiPa

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Thank you Craig - The Master Guru.

But what about this article.. isn’t this a violation of protecting privacy. Is this all talk or what 😂

so, seriously? A customer willingly gave her phone with explicit photos, did not purchase one of the many password protected files apps available, willingly gave her password so the phone could be repaired. Two shmucks, who ought to be in jail, perused her phone and stole pictures. Yah, totally apple's fault and denotes weak security on the customers part, not on Apple's. I have no idea why they paid, glad they did, but don't understand the reason. I would venture to say that anyone who gives any device and the password to that device can get their data stolen. Just sayin
 

Cubsfan

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There isn't any good solution. But it's important to point out the hypocrisy of supposedly woke corporations who fight for social justice causes in some countries but not others. It's called awareness.
It's also possible that, in absence of a perfect solution, it's better to have a slightly imperfect solution that is implemented.

i.e. Apple being in China doesn't make things totally private, but does give iOS users _more_ privacy than the alternative.

Are you saying that's not a worthy goal? You would rather Chinese citizens have less privacy than more?
 

MauiPa

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Craig Federighi: Apple Will Continue to 'Protect Our Customers' Amid 'Innovation' in Privacy Exploitation

Nice, We are looking forward to a fully End2End Encrypted iCloud incl. iCloud Backups. ?

surprise, surprise, been there, did that, got a t-shirt!​

iCloud​

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Kabeyun

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He’s completely correct. You can decide for yourself if Apple is more trustworthy (not flawless, kids) but he’s entirely correct about the VPN trust hole. Its also true that Apple’s implementation here looks complimentary to a VPN service rather than a replacement.

Except our customers in China, where we're forced by the government to hand over everything, so we can protect our marketshare there. Then we don't believe in privacy.
The “yes, but China, so nothing you just said matters,” argument is getting a little tired.
 

nexusrule

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There’s an 800 pound gorilla in the room but nobody wants to acknowledge it at Apple. :rolleyes:
Bottom line, they are in the business to make money and will comply with all foreign government regulations.

So if a government is foreign companies should be allowed not to follow their regulations? And what's foreigners for a company that operates all over the world? And who decided which foreign government regulations should be followed and which should not be followed?
 
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transpo1

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It's also possible that, in absence of a perfect solution, it's better to have a slightly imperfect solution that is implemented.

i.e. Apple being in China doesn't make things totally private, but does give iOS users _more_ privacy than the alternative.

Are you saying that's not a worthy goal? You would rather Chinese citizens have less privacy than more?
Does it give them more privacy than others? Slicker software and hardware perhaps, but there is no such thing as privacy in China when connected to the internet. Apple has to hand the encryption keys to iCloud data over to the Chinese authorities, so they have access to...everything.
 
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