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Which is able to be disabled. And iMessage still works E2E encrypted.

So they can just use signal you say. Well... https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/encrypted-messaging-app-signal-blocked-china-rcna432

Ok. How about whatsapp: https://cybernews.com/how-to-use-vpn/unblock-whatsapp-in-china/

Maybe Telegram? https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/ar...snares-encrypted-messaging-app-signal-joining


So, if you want E2E encrypted instant messaging.... what are you going to do? That is still legal in China?
I'm sure the Chinese government is working on hacking iMessage if they haven't already. Likely the only reason they allow it is because (I'm guessing) many of the elite families use iPhones there for personal comms. But trust me, the CCP are working on it if they haven't done it yet.
 
Because this is Apple controlled third party repair shop and this thing still happens. Imagine anyone can fix your iPhone..
That’s why I want to be able to repair my OWN device myself.

I used to be an Apple Certified Macintosh Technician and now I do board level work under a microscope. I’d like to have access to schematics and proprietary ICs so I can do it myself. It saves me money, and so know how to solder and diagnose certain board failures so it would be a win-win for me. Plus I don’t have to worry about people digging through my stuff (there’s nothing embarrassing on there, but I still would rather not have someone digging through it.) Heck I still have Apple’s service manuals for devices from 2005-2012 (they stopped publishing PDF versions after that time) but they don’t contain schematics, just disassembly instructions and basic troubleshooting advice.
 
That’s why I want to be able to repair my OWN device myself.

I used to be an Apple Certified Macintosh Technician and now I do board level work under a microscope. I’d like to have access to schematics and proprietary ICs so I can do it myself. It saves me money, and so know how to solder and diagnose certain board failures so it would be a win-win for me. Plus I don’t have to worry about people digging through my stuff (there’s nothing embarrassing on there, but I still would rather not have someone digging through it.) Heck I still have Apple’s service manuals for devices from 2005-2012 (they stopped publishing PDF versions after that time) but they don’t contain schematics, just disassembly instructions and basic troubleshooting advice.
I understand that, and maybe if you are the only person who’s interested in it there wouldn’t be a problem but once the door open all kind of people will come in.
 
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I understand that, and maybe if you are the only person who’s interested in it there wouldn’t be a problem but once the door open all kind of people will come in.
That’s a risk people take even when bringing it to Apple, Best Buy or any authorized place. I think BB got into trouble a while back when a GeekSquad employee went through a laptop and shared nude images.

Small repair centers can’t risk that. If they do, they’ll be out of business and sued/jailed.

I sure as hell wouldn’t do it.
 
That’s a risk people take even when bringing it to Apple, Best Buy or any authorized place. I think BB got into trouble a while back when a GeekSquad employee went through a laptop and shared nude images.

Small repair centers can’t risk that. If they do, they’ll be out of business and sued/jailed.

I sure as hell wouldn’t do it.
It’s about principle and sadly the world nowadays this quality is lost in many people. I’ll never do it, but I’ll never trust someone else to never do it either. Ironically I’ll trust Apple more because if there’s something like this happen you would get much more compensation than from a small shop as proven by the original article. That’s just the world we live in.
 
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It is very hypocrytical of Apple to say they have customers privacy at the forefront of their minds yet are prepared for the sake of profit to operate in countries where it's citizens do not have the luxury of privacy.
 
What would your proposed alternative be?

Offer this in china and get banned, so everyone in china is required to use phones that support zero privacy?

Pull out of China? What problem does that solve for Chinese citizens?

Edit: Everyone wants to say that Apple sucks for not doing stuff like this in China, but is unable to propose a solution that actually improves the lives of Chinese citizens.

Proposed alternative would be to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and acknowledge the problem instead of saying nice words while not really acting according to them.
 
Yeah, but the technicians decided to upload the photos online. They ended up exposing her photos

Theyayarealivin is right, the fact that Apple authorized technicians exposed someone's photos is deeply disturbing. Apple needs to do more to address this concern, ASAP.

Trust is so incredibly important, and the fact that users have no choice but to send their device to a complete stranger who they cannot possibly know or trust is a fundamental flaw in the process. Perhaps authorized repairs should be done in-house, at the genius bar, at your local apple store. That way, you can oversee the process.

Of course, there is no greater person you can trust than yourself. Apple should also consider making these tools, documentation, and supplies available to owners so that they can repair their own devices.

I understand that, and maybe if you are the only person who’s interested in it there wouldn’t be a problem but once the door open all kind of people will come in.

And we should also take care to avoid the logical fallacy of a slippery slope:


Just because a decision can hypothetically lead to an unintended consequence itself is not grounds for disqualification.
 
Keep getting better, and still remain the best company at privacy. time to catch up world! (note google is attempting to add privacy to android, LOL good luck with that)
Yeah this is why I’m on iOS and not Android. Apple is dragging the rest of the industry along when it comes to privacy.
 
So, just to understand, this VPN 2.0 is only active while surfing through safari, and not any connection? So for instance, if I'm using another app that connects to the internet, that app has no vpn protection. Did I get this right?
 
I'm sure the Chinese government is working on hacking iMessage if they haven't already. Likely the only reason they allow it is because (I'm guessing) many of the elite families use iPhones there for personal comms. But trust me, the CCP are working on it if they haven't done it yet.
So, just to be clear... your argument is that you would like Apple to take away the only E2E encrypted instant messaging currently available, because, maybe, sometime in the future the Chinese government will have access? I'm still failing on understanding how anything you want ends up positive for Chinese people. Sure seems like it would just make you feel better.
 
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Except our customers in China, where we're forced by the government to hand over everything, so we can protect our marketshare there. Then we don't believe in privacy.
And why should we care about China other then from a pure business perspective. Their country their rules. Our Country our rules. We are not the masters of this entire planet or police.
 
What would your proposed alternative be?

Offer this in china and get banned, so everyone in china is required to use phones that support zero privacy?

Pull out of China? What problem does that solve for Chinese citizens?

Edit: Everyone wants to say that Apple sucks for not doing stuff like this in China, but is unable to propose a solution that actually improves the lives of Chinese citizens.
For Apple to stop pontificating on how moral and ethical they are.
 
King of lip service. If you want even better privacy stop using apps and instead use a browser with uBlock Origin and browser fingerprint anonymizer extension.
 
Apple and Privacy 🤝. Always secure with my apple devices. Private relay is a nice addition.
 
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It is very hypocrytical of Apple to say they have customers privacy at the forefront of their minds yet are prepared for the sake of profit to operate in countries where it's citizens do not have the luxury of privacy.
Okay and? Last I looked Apple doesn’t care whether people view them as hypocritical. Those who dislike the products, company, management and politics have plenty of choices. The rest understand that multinational companies must follow local laws.
 
They said the same thing about privacy last year. It’s the same thing every year.
It's not the same thing every year. And the article you linked to is not contradictory to what Craig has been talking about. You link would have had merit if the Rogue repair employees had been following Apple directives when they posted private photos of the student online.
 
To be fair, that CloudKit-Enabled Apps are already e2e encrypted in the iCloud AFAIU
Yeah, right, but as long the iCloud backups aren't E2EE user and os data is not 100% safe against third eyes. :)
The iCloud backup might even include memory state dumps holding unencrypted data, or tmp files, var logs, etc. with a lot of sensitive user data.
 
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Yeah, right, but as long the iCloud backups aren't E2EE user and os data is not 100% safe against third eyes. :)
The iCloud backup might even include memory state dumps holding unencrypted data, or tmp files, var logs, etc. with a lot of sensitive user data.
I completely agree that is why I still use my mac to backup my iPhone...
Also I don't like how Apple can see all my photos... I turned off photo sync.
 
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I just don't understand why people feel.the need to cheerlead and white knight companies that make products they like. I like many products from all kinds of companies but I have no loyalty or desire to white knight and excuse make for them, so pathetic
 
Except our customers in China, where we're forced by the government to hand over everything, so we can protect our marketshare there. Then we don't believe in privacy.
Its like you expect Apple to overthrow the Chinese government. The smaller amount of privacy they're able to provide Chinese citizens is better than nothing at all had they not even been in the market. They're doing all they can within their limits.
 
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I don't think i've seen anyone be more vocal on privacy, but Apple.... If they really insist going down this privacy-path than make encryption-in-transit part of iCloud for all and don't make this extra users must do.

They just wanna be in front.. Have an option users can turn on and off at will.

Beside. Apple is happy to give up to enforcement agencies once it leaves your phone and stored on their servers anyway. But users users to blame for that.
 
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