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A CEO with a supply chain background has never been more valuable to Apple.

In hindsight, it makes perfect sense for Apple’s CEO to have been someone who has moved up the ranks via operations. You need a functional supply chain to turn the design team’s ideas into tangle products which can be mass-produced at scale.

What’s funnier is that the very factor which makes Tim Cook the ideal CEO for Apple is the very aspect he is being criticised for.

The idiot Tim Apple Crook knows little about the actual products nor does he seem to care. There's a video out there of him recently being given a briefing on the details of the new Mac Pro by that seriously overrated ding dong British so-called designer. Crook looked like a senior citizen that was being shown a computer for the first time. He was clueless. That is not the kind of person that should be leading Apple. They should offer him his old job or fire him.
 
The idiot Tim Apple Crook knows little about the actual products nor does he seem to care. There's a video out there of him recently being given a briefing on the details of the new Mac Pro by that seriously overrated ding dong British so-called designer. Crook looked like a senior citizen that was being shown a computer for the first time. He was clueless. That is not the kind of person that should be leading Apple. They should offer him his old job or fire him.

That’s Jony Ive’s job.
 
AirDrop is nice until I need do transfer 50GB in rendered videos from my PC (stored on an external NVMe drive) to my iPad without having to go through my Mac.
 
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arrogant perhaps, but it’s a typical attitude among IM&T people
‘we’ve decided that you will do things this way’
in my own workplace they’ve banned usb sticks
I have an adaptor for my ipad mini that allows me to import photos from an sd card - that’s not new, is it?
 
Yes, I do. Business is all about results. Cook has delivered, better than Jobs even. Services, silicon, wearables, tremendous iPhone growth, record everything are all a result of Cook. Tim Cook is a genius and Jobs knew that. That’s why Jobs handed the reigns to Cook.

You don’t know the numbers. Cook has a job because he’s doing well. He stops performing and the shareholders will speak loudly.

Business isn’t as simple as just “riding on reputation.” Apple is in an ultra competitive business that Tim Cook has navigated brilliantly.
Yes, I do. Business is all about results. Cook has delivered, better than Jobs even. Services, silicon, wearables, tremendous iPhone growth, record everything are all a result of Cook. Tim Cook is a genius and Jobs knew that. That’s why Jobs handed the reigns to Cook.

You don’t know the numbers. Cook has a job because he’s doing well. He stops performing and the shareholders will speak loudly.

Business isn’t as simple as just “riding on reputation.” Apple is in an ultra competitive business that Tim Cook has navigated brilliantly.
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iPhone isn’t the future of Apple either. iPhone has already done close to $1 TRILLION in sales. Of course it’s slowing, but people aren’t switching away from iPhone. They just don’t upgrade it quite as often, but they buy services, wearables, and will buy another iPhone eventually.

It’s why the active device count keeps rising, now over 1.4B.

Apple IS killing it and is the most profitable company in the world. Did you know Apple made $60B in profit in 2018? Google was second and made $23B.

Ok..... I just couldn't let this one go....
You are either trolling me or you might be blind sighted by possibly being in love with Tim Cook; which I presume after reading your replies and seeing your signature. That's what I have to believe because no sane person in the world would be saying what you are saying. If you are in love, love blinds all sometimes my friend, and believe me, that comes from first hand experience.
 
You don’t know business very well. It isn’t just about maximizing profits in the short term. It's about maximizing profits while also delivering value, great support to your customers and keeping your reputation intact for future growth and sustainability.

Tim Apple Crook has simply been riding off of Apple's great past reputation that Steve Jobs worked so hard to establish. His days are numbered if he keeps doing what he has been doing.

I think you are looking at Cook vs Jobs as CEO incorrectly.
Apple out grew Steve Jobs and Cook was/is a better CEO for Apple at that and current point in time. This is not saying one or the other is better.
Steve Jobs was an amazing CEO and was what I would put a great idea guy and for a fast growing company. Apple was slowing down in that growth and instead was needing to shift its style to more of a stabile massive company. Cook is better at that than Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was great what he did. He handed it over because one his of his heath and 2 I believe Steve Jobs even recognized that Apple was out growing having him at the top and he could help more by moving to a different role.
I think to many people worship Steve Jobs and fail to see Apple was changing and it needed something different. It was the times were changing. I honestly believe Steve Jobs could of if he wanted started a new company and got it really rolling as well and brought another great idea for front just I think it was going to harder as a CEO of Apple because of Apple’s shear size and with as many things it’s hands are in. It limits people like Steve Jobs and hurts their talents.
 
Ok..... I just couldn't let this one go....
You are either trolling me or you might be blind sighted by possibly being in love with Tim Cook; which I presume after reading your replies and seeing your signature. That's what I have to believe because no sane person in the world would be saying what you are saying. If you are in love, love blinds all sometimes my friend, and believe me, that comes from first hand experience.
For the record, I do agree with @Baymowe335 , for whatever it's worth.

I don't think it's about being blindly in love with Apple, but rather, being realistic enough to recognise and acknowledge the merits of what Apple has done (and is doing), even though we may not like it, especially if it does not directly translate into products we want to use.

The way I see it, Apple has won mobile. It is well on track to acquiring 1 billion active iPhone users, and in the process, has aggregated the best spenders in the market. This means that Apple is well-positioned to excel in any adjacent industry whose success is predicated on having a strong smartphone presence, because iPhone users tend to also have the disposable income to spend on these accompanying accessories and services. This includes (but isn't limited to) tablets (especially tablets running iOS), wearables, health, AR, even transportation (it will tap heavily on the existing infrastructure Apple has developed for iOS). In the meantime, Apple is also rounding out a formidable ecosystem of services (iCloud, Apple Music, video streaming, Apple Arcade, news, Apple Card) to further entrench users within its walled garden.

At the same time, the more active iOS users Apple has, the higher a sum it is able to negotiate with google to keep google search as default. Also, having aggregated the best customers means more people spending on apps, services and accessories.

The flip side is that Apple has less of an incentive to focus on Macs, because it doesn't have as much synergy with iOS, though I guess one can make the argument that you still need a Mac to develop apps for iOS, plus it still represents a nice chunk of revenue for Apple. Apple has also made its fair share of missteps, but what company hasn't, and this really doesn't change much in the greater scheme of things.

So I guess my point is that this all comes down to the "same screen, different movies" adage. You can detest Apple for having neglected the Mac, while also realising that it doesn't really change anything with regards to Apple's long-term viability. iPhone sales may be plateauing, which is why Apple is pivoting from selling iPhones to selling to people with iPhones (wearables, services).

Times changed, Apple too has changed in keeping with the times, and that's just the way she goes. I continue to maintain that Tim Cook remains the best person to lead Apple in this day and age. If Steve Jobs was Churchill, then Tim Cook is Eisenhower, and that steady hand is precisely what Apple needs now, and not another firebrand like Elon Musk.
 
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For the record, I do agree with @Baymowe335 , for whatever it's worth.

I don't think it's about being blindly in love with Apple, but rather, being realistic enough to recognise and acknowledge the merits of what Apple has done (and is doing), even though we may not like it, especially if it does not directly translate into products we want to use.

The way I see it, Apple has won mobile. It is well on track to acquiring 1 billion active iPhone users, and in the process, has aggregated the best spenders in the market. This means that Apple is well-positioned to excel in any adjacent industry whose success is predicated on having a strong smartphone presence, because iPhone users tend to also have the disposable income to spend on these accompanying accessories and services. This includes (but isn't limited to) tablets (especially tablets running iOS), wearables, health, AR, even transportation (it will tap heavily on the existing infrastructure Apple has developed for iOS). In the meantime, Apple is also rounding out a formidable ecosystem of services (iCloud, Apple Music, video streaming, Apple Arcade, news, Apple Card) to further entrench users within its walled garden.

At the same time, the more active iOS users Apple has, the higher a sum it is able to negotiate with google to keep google search as default. Also, having aggregated the best customers means more people spending on apps, services and accessories.

The flip side is that Apple has less of an incentive to focus on Macs, because it doesn't have as much synergy with iOS, though I guess one can make the argument that you still need a Mac to develop apps for iOS, plus it still represents a nice chunk of revenue for Apple. Apple has also made its fair share of missteps, but what company hasn't, and this really doesn't change much in the greater scheme of things.

So I guess my point is that this all comes down to the "same screen, different movies" adage. You can detest Apple for having neglected the Mac, while also realising that it doesn't really change anything with regards to Apple's long-term viability. iPhone sales may be plateauing, which is why Apple is pivoting from selling iPhones to selling to people with iPhones (wearables, services).

Times changed, Apple too has changed in keeping with the times, and that's just the way she goes. I continue to maintain that Tim Cook remains the best person to lead Apple in this day and age. If Steve Jobs was Churchill, then Tim Cook is Eisenhower, and that steady hand is precisely what Apple needs now, and not another firebrand like Elon Musk.
Ok I guess I should better explain myself.

First off, I'm not so much upset about them focusing on iOS products more than Mac's. Mac PC has always been a small but loyal group and iDevices are what really gained consumer traction and put Apple in the position it is in now. What I am upset by is in my view, Apple under Cook, cares less and less about making great products, Mac or iOS, and way more about how much money they can stockpile. I have no problem with them focusing more on the product that are selling the best, but their focus is on the wrong thing, not how we can make this product better so more people might buy it, but instead, how can we cut cost production for profit on these devices or you know sell 4 year old PC's at the same exact price with out updating them...

I can't deny Tim Cook brought record profits, appeased the shareholders cut production costs etc. etc. I mean he has a master's degree in business administration, but being a COO of an electronics company and CEO of an electronics company that are perceived as making innovations are two different things. Apple would have expanded just the same, if not way more if he had been left to focus on the COO duties and Job's had put someone who is more about making the products better, and less about how this is going to impact the company financially and telling the new CEO to trust cook when it comes to money .
 
I think you are looking at Cook vs Jobs as CEO incorrectly.
Apple out grew Steve Jobs and Cook was/is a better CEO for Apple at that and current point in time. This is not saying one or the other is better.
Steve Jobs was an amazing CEO and was what I would put a great idea guy and for a fast growing company. Apple was slowing down in that growth and instead was needing to shift its style to more of a stabile massive company. Cook is better at that than Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was great what he did. He handed it over because one his of his heath and 2 I believe Steve Jobs even recognized that Apple was out growing having him at the top and he could help more by moving to a different role.
I think to many people worship Steve Jobs and fail to see Apple was changing and it needed something different. It was the times were changing. I honestly believe Steve Jobs could of if he wanted started a new company and got it really rolling as well and brought another great idea for front just I think it was going to harder as a CEO of Apple because of Apple’s shear size and with as many things it’s hands are in. It limits people like Steve Jobs and hurts their talents.

How the hell is Tim Crook a better CEO?

Under that jackass we got the below, not necessarily in order:

* There are no longer good value lower or base model MacBooks, iPhones, Mac minis, Mac Pros.
* Old products never updated for years, like the 2012 MacBook, Mac mini, Mac Pro, that were still being sold as new.
* A new MacBook keyboard that is still an unreliable piece of crap after four attempts.
* Stupid and gimmicky Touchbar
* Ridiculous number of models within product lines and naming schemes that make no sense.
* $20,000 Apple Watches.
* Customer service that used to be exceptional is now often questionable.
* Horrible pricing for repairs.
* Stores and sections in other retailers, like Best Buy, that look dated and run down.
* Secretly slowing down people's iDevices.
* A CEO who actually knows little about the finished products.
* A grossly overrated hardware designer put in charge of software user interface design with the result being many more steps to do simple things, tiny and harder to select screen elements, and many simple and useful things hidden from the user. In other words, crappy user interfaces.
* A CEO with no vision at all.
* A CEO who is more interested in SJW nonsense and censorship.
* $1000 monitor stands
* A mouse that has a charging port underneath.
* A new pencil fir the iPad that charges sticking out from the Lightning Port
* No more AirPorts
* No affordable monitor
* Far less innovation
* A company that claims to be for creatives but discontinues its professional photography app, Aperture.
* Cameras no longer the best on their iPhones.
* A company that actively targets, harasses and threatens third party repair shops and uses third party repair and self repair as an excuse for decreased sales. In the past under Jobs, new sales came because the new products were simply that much better!
* A much less valuable brand from what used to be the most valuable brand.
* No visionary leading the company’s!!
* A bean counter that cares more about maximizing short term profits at the expensive of maintaining and even increasing the value of the brand and it's long term survival.

There’s a lot more, but that should be enough to make my point.
 
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Ok I guess I should better explain myself.

First off, I'm not so much upset about them focusing on iOS products more than Mac's. Mac PC has always been a small but loyal group and iDevices are what really gained consumer traction and put Apple in the position it is in now. What I am upset by is in my view, Apple under Cook, cares less and less about making great products, Mac or iOS, and way more about how much money they can stockpile. I have no problem with them focusing more on the product that are selling the best, but their focus is on the wrong thing, not how we can make this product better so more people might buy it, but instead, how can we cut cost production for profit on these devices or you know sell 4 year old PC's at the same exact price with out updating them...

I don’t see the two (making great products and making more money) as being mutually exclusive, at least where Apple is concerned.

If cutting costs was really an issue that ultimately took away from the user experience of the product, fewer people would buy them, and the repercussions would have made themselves apparent via Apple’s quarterly numbers.

It seems your argument isn’t so much that Apple products are bad per se, but that they aren’t as affordable as they could be. I guess that’s as subjective a statement as one could make, but it’s also worth noting that Apple’s profit margins have largely remained the same, so I guess their products are more expensive partly because they do cost more to design and make.

I can't deny Tim Cook brought record profits, appeased the shareholders cut production costs etc. etc. I mean he has a master's degree in business administration, but being a COO of an electronics company and CEO of an electronics company that are perceived as making innovations are two different things. Apple would have expanded just the same, if not way more if he had been left to focus on the COO duties and Job's had put someone who is more about making the products better, and less about how this is going to impact the company financially and telling the new CEO to trust cook when it comes to money .

I think you might have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Apple is run.

Tim Cook might be CEO of Apple, but it’s Jony Ive who is in charge of product design. I don’t think Tim Cook really interferes much in this regard; his job is pretty much to keep Apple running so that everyone else can do their job. And to have the infrastructure in place to translate the design team’s ideas into reality.

I mean, products were never cheap under Steve Job’s tenure either. It’s also worth noting that the way Apple is being run now isn’t really that different from when Steve Jobs was still alive, because Steve ended up delegating the bulk of his CEO duties (especially the more administrative ones) to Tim Cook anyways as his health worsened.

So you have Tim Cook still doing most of what he did in the past (though Apple is now serving a lot more users than before), with Jony Ive having replaced Steve Jobs when it comes to product design.

And to play Devil’s advocate, I suspect that even if Steve Jobs were still alive, the hard realities of serving as many users as Apple is today would have forced Apple to make some hard decisions when it comes to product specs and pricing either way. For instance, Apple sells about 200 million iPhones a year, and I wonder if that is partly the reason it continues to come bundled with a 5w charger, because Apple simply doesn’t have the manufacturing capacity to product anywhere near that many fast chargers and usb c to lightning cables.

Or to put it another way, it’s not enough to simply have the best idea. Your product idea needs to be replicable at scale, and sometimes, your manufacturing constraints will invariably impact your final product.

I am not saying that Tim Cook is perfect, but I do see the logic and the merits of having Apple's CEO be someone who moved up the ranks via operations.

How the hell is Tim Crook a better CEO?

Under that jackass we got the below, not necessarily in order:

* There are no longer good value lower or base model MacBooks, iPhones, Mac minis, Mac Pros.
* Old products never updated for years, like the 2012 MacBook, Mac mini, Mac Pro, that were still being sold as new.
* A new MacBook keyboard that is still an unreliable piece of crap after four attempts.
* Stupid and gimmicky Touchbar
* Ridiculous number of models within product lines and naming schemes that make no sense.
* $20,000 Apple Watches.
* Customer service that used to be exceptional is now often questionable.
* Horrible pricing for repairs.
* Stores and sections in other retailers, like Best Buy, that look dated and run down.
* Secretly slowing down people's iDevices.
* A CEO who actually knows little about the finished products.
* A grossly overrated hardware designer put in charge of software user interface design with the result being many more steps to do simple things, tiny and harder to select screen elements, and many simple and useful things hidden from the user. In other words, crappy user interfaces.
* A CEO with no vision at all.
* A CEO who is more interested in SJW nonsense and censorship.
* $1000 monitor stands
* A mouse that has a charging port underneath.
* A new pencil fir the iPad that charges sticking out from the Lightning Port
* No more AirPorts
* No affordable monitor
* Far less innovation
* A company that claims to be for creatives but discontinues its professional photography app, Aperture.
* Cameras no longer the best on their iPhones.
* A company that actively targets, harasses and threatens third party repair shops and uses third party repair and self repair as an excuse for decreased sales. In the past under Jobs, new sales came because the new products were simply that much better!
* A much less valuable brand from what used to be the most valuable brand.
* No visionary leading the company’s!!
* A bean counter that cares more about maximizing short term profits at the expensive of maintaining and even increasing the value of the brand and it's long term survival.

There’s a lot more, but that should be enough to make my point.

I think you are not seeing the big picture.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone

This article is close to 3 years old, but I think it sheds a lot of light on what Apple has done under Tim Cook’s leadership.
 
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That comment did not bother me at all. Craig's Apple distortion field is more humorous.

Now if they'd only address the touch disease/irresponsiveness in the iPads, perhaps I'd be more interested in what iPadOS has to offer.
 
How the hell is Tim Crook a better CEO?

Under that jackass we got the below, not necessarily in order:

* There are no longer good value lower or base model MacBooks, iPhones, Mac minis, Mac Pros.
* Old products never updated for years, like the 2012 MacBook, Mac mini, Mac Pro, that were still being sold as new.
* A new MacBook keyboard that is still an unreliable piece of crap after four attempts.
* Stupid and gimmicky Touchbar
* Ridiculous number of models within product lines and naming schemes that make no sense.
* $20,000 Apple Watches.
* Customer service that used to be exceptional is now often questionable.
* Horrible pricing for repairs.
* Stores and sections in other retailers, like Best Buy, that look dated and run down.
* Secretly slowing down people's iDevices.
* A CEO who actually knows little about the finished products.
* A grossly overrated hardware designer put in charge of software user interface design with the result being many more steps to do simple things, tiny and harder to select screen elements, and many simple and useful things hidden from the user. In other words, crappy user interfaces.
* A CEO with no vision at all.
* A CEO who is more interested in SJW nonsense and censorship.
* $1000 monitor stands
* A mouse that has a charging port underneath.
* A new pencil fir the iPad that charges sticking out from the Lightning Port
* No more AirPorts
* No affordable monitor
* Far less innovation
* A company that claims to be for creatives but discontinues its professional photography app, Aperture.
* Cameras no longer the best on their iPhones.
* A company that actively targets, harasses and threatens third party repair shops and uses third party repair and self repair as an excuse for decreased sales. In the past under Jobs, new sales came because the new products were simply that much better!
* A much less valuable brand from what used to be the most valuable brand.
* No visionary leading the company’s!!
* A bean counter that cares more about maximizing short term profits at the expensive of maintaining and even increasing the value of the brand and it's long term survival.

There’s a lot more, but that should be enough to make my point.

I completely agree with this.
 
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I see it this way.

Apple is a company which makes products that people want to buy.

And for Apple to be successful as they are, there has to be tons of people willing to buy what Apple is selling. You might not necessarily like Apple’s product roadmap right now, but that doesn’t mean others don’t like it either.

I agree with you. All other things equal, I would rather have features like swipe or dark mode earlier than later. But these don’t exist in a vacuum. The reason why they are being released now and not earlier is likely that Apple has been busy working on other features and products at the time (eg: pushed back in favour is ios 12 and its focus on performance). Which their user base seem to have appreciated as much.

So I guess my point is that Apple’s decisions don’t seem so wrong when viewed in totality and in hindsight, though it might be easy to criticise each individual decision in a vacuum.

And I see it that way.

More people prefer not to buy apple products than the ones that they do. In some areas more than others, of course. Regarding the late-added features, I cannot buy this explanation for a second. They are always struggling behind competition regarding features. They even deny the usability of some features, until they finally implement them, while they are never busy adding useless gimmicks and new emojis nobody asked for.

So, there will always be two point of views, no matter how you twist it. The shareholder's view (and the apple fanatics - although these should not be seriously considered; being a fanatic of a company is dumb of its own league) and the user's view.
 
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I can't believe Craig said that... It's good to know he is acting in a 'nostalgic-way'
 
That comment did not bother me at all. Craig's Apple distortion field is more humorous.

Now if they'd only address the touch disease/irresponsiveness in the iPads, perhaps I'd be more interested in what iPadOS has to offer.
That's the only the beginning of what it would take for iPadOS to be interesting or really meaningful.
 
I don’t see the two (making great products and making more money) as being mutually exclusive, at least where Apple is concerned.

If cutting costs was really an issue that ultimately took away from the user experience of the product, fewer people would buy them, and the repercussions would have made themselves apparent via Apple’s quarterly numbers.

It seems your argument isn’t so much that Apple products are bad per se, but that they aren’t as affordable as they could be. I guess that’s as subjective a statement as one could make, but it’s also worth noting that Apple’s profit margins have largely remained the same, so I guess their products are more expensive partly because they do cost more to design and make.



I think you might have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Apple is run.

Tim Cook might be CEO of Apple, but it’s Jony Ive who is in charge of product design. I don’t think Tim Cook really interferes much in this regard; his job is pretty much to keep Apple running so that everyone else can do their job. And to have the infrastructure in place to translate the design team’s ideas into reality.

I mean, products were never cheap under Steve Job’s tenure either. It’s also worth noting that the way Apple is being run now isn’t really that different from when Steve Jobs was still alive, because Steve ended up delegating the bulk of his CEO duties (especially the more administrative ones) to Tim Cook anyways as his health worsened.

So you have Tim Cook still doing most of what he did in the past (though Apple is now serving a lot more users than before), with Jony Ive having replaced Steve Jobs when it comes to product design.

And to play Devil’s advocate, I suspect that even if Steve Jobs were still alive, the hard realities of serving as many users as Apple is today would have forced Apple to make some hard decisions when it comes to product specs and pricing either way. For instance, Apple sells about 200 million iPhones a year, and I wonder if that is partly the reason it continues to come bundled with a 5w charger, because Apple simply doesn’t have the manufacturing capacity to product anywhere near that many fast chargers and usb c to lightning cables.

Or to put it another way, it’s not enough to simply have the best idea. Your product idea needs to be replicable at scale, and sometimes, your manufacturing constraints will invariably impact your final product.

I am not saying that Tim Cook is perfect, but I do see the logic and the merits of having Apple's CEO be someone who moved up the ranks via operations.



I think you are not seeing the big picture.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone

This article is close to 3 years old, but I think it sheds a lot of light on what Apple has done under Tim Cook’s leadership.

Is that article going to cancel out everything I wrote? Of course not. That jackass has been riding off of the brand and reputation that Steve Jobs gave value to. It will not last if he sticks around. The signs are already there.
 
Is that article going to cancel out everything I wrote? Of course not. That jackass has been riding off of the brand and reputation that Steve Jobs gave value to. It will not last if he sticks around. The signs are already there.

It will be around as long as there are people such as the one that you are responding to. Case in point though, the Above Avalon author got into the ecosystem when Apple was already successful after flopping for several years. If Steve didn’t have iTunes for Windows, it could’ve been a very different story today.
 
Ok..... I just couldn't let this one go....
You are either trolling me or you might be blind sighted by possibly being in love with Tim Cook; which I presume after reading your replies and seeing your signature. That's what I have to believe because no sane person in the world would be saying what you are saying. If you are in love, love blinds all sometimes my friend, and believe me, that comes from first hand experience.
He's OBJECTIVELY done a tremendous job at Apple. His job is to run the business and increase shareholder value, which he's done. Apple has outperformed the market and set record after record under Cook.

Hate on.

Federighi has also been excellent and supporting external drives doesn't change anything. It just makes a great product even better.
 
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He's OBJECTIVELY done a tremendous job at Apple. His job is to run the business and increase shareholder value, which he's done. Apple has outperformed the market and set record after record under Cook.

Hate on.

Federighi has also been excellent and supporting external drives doesn't change anything. It just makes a great product even better.
He's doing a great COO job for sure!
 
He's OBJECTIVELY done a tremendous job at Apple. His job is to run the business and increase shareholder value, which he's done. Apple has outperformed the market and set record after record under Cook.

Okay, but a lot of us here are users of Apple products, not investors.
 
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Okay, but a lot of us here are users of Apple products, not investors.
Then you guys need to understand the goal of his role. Also, sales of Apple products validate Apple's strategy.

You guys are the vocal minority while everyone else is very happy and spends their money on Apple products, more than ever.

It's fine to be a fan, but you have to realize reality at some point. You're not the voice of every customer.
 
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You can detest Apple for having neglected the Mac, while also realising that it doesn't really change anything with regards to Apple's long-term viability. iPhone sales may be plateauing, which is why Apple is pivoting from selling iPhones to selling to people with iPhones (wearables, services).

Maybe, maybe not. The problem is that the Mac is crucial to the eco-system. I'm happy to see that it seems to be coming back around, but had the trend most of us were complaining about continued (or if it does, and the last 6mo have just been a blip), I think it would damage them long-term.

First off, I'm not so much upset about them focusing on iOS products more than Mac's. Mac PC has always been a small but loyal group and iDevices are what really gained consumer traction and put Apple in the position it is in now. What I am upset by is in my view, Apple under Cook, cares less and less about making great products, Mac or iOS, and way more about how much money they can stockpile.

For me, it is the focus on these thing (or even less relevant things), to the exclusion of the Mac and software quality. If they have their core things nailed down, then by all means, expand and explore to their heart's content.

My other concern was over the transition to more consumer oriented products, as that can have +/- longer-term, especially since they seemed to be going more trendy/fashion oriented in ways (which is a super-fickle thing). Giving up actual good design, chasing fashion trends, chasing fickle-consumer interests etc. don't build a strong foundation (even if they punch up the numbers, short term).

But your last sentence is key! This is how most business, big or small, start to fail. Jobs liked making lots of money too, but he understood which side of the horse to put the cart.

I don’t see the two (making great products and making more money) as being mutually exclusive, at least where Apple is concerned.

If cutting costs was really an issue that ultimately took away from the user experience of the product, fewer people would buy them, and the repercussions would have made themselves apparent via Apple’s quarterly numbers.

They aren't mutually exclusive, but one drives the other in a company that is solid. As I said above, the fear is they've put the cart on the wrong end of the horse. When your passion is the products (so long as marketing, etc. don't fall apart) the profits will follow. If you put your focus on profits, it often leads to doing really stupid thing, which eventually damage a product/brand.

Tim Cook might be CEO of Apple, but it’s Jony Ive who is in charge of product design. I don’t think Tim Cook really interferes much in this regard; his job is pretty much to keep Apple running so that everyone else can do their job. And to have the infrastructure in place to translate the design team’s ideas into reality.

Maybe, but my impression is that Steve actually interfered quite a bit, which could have a substantial impact.

For example, what if Steve had tried out the new MacBook Pro designs and sent them back to the drawing board because the Touch Bar was a stupid gimmick, and people should be able to have usable keyboards on their pro laptops. Whereas Tim might have looked at it more from a profits/marketing standpoint, and just went, 'cool, go for it.'

So you have Tim Cook still doing most of what he did in the past (though Apple is now serving a lot more users than before), with Jony Ive having replaced Steve Jobs when it comes to product design.

Maybe, but might that not be the problem? Maybe Ive, nor Cook, have the ability to judge good design and say no to the right things.

No debate Cook is one of the best supply chain and operations persons in existence. But, that isn't what made Apple great, but just what made something great more able to scale. Scale, though, won't keep it great.

As one of my friends (who was one step below VP at a near Fortune 50) would often say, 'big company = stupid'. It takes a LOT of something special to keep that from happening. They are like massive ships, lots of momentum, but if you start going the wrong direction, it's really hard to stop or turn.

Also, sales of Apple products validate Apple's strategy.

You guys are the vocal minority while everyone else is very happy and spends their money on Apple products, more than ever.

Well, not so much. There is a massive lag. Apple has incredible brand momentum, so we won't immediately see results. Apple is on a trend where people are moving to them and away from other things, as well as having an eco-system that is really painful/costly to leave.

So, lets say (like so many) that one needs a new laptop, but really hates the new designs. What do they do? Maybe they have iPhone(s), iPad, a desktop Mac, etc. They likely just buy an Apple laptop anyway and complain about it (like so many are). They probably don't jump ship over that.

But, eventually, if the problems keep building, they might. And, instead of brand ambassadors, they get brand pessimists.

Even worse, the people they are ticking off are the higher end users... the kind that won't be wow-ed as easily by dancing emoji.

It would be kind of like Ford or GM messing up the Corvette/Mustang/GT40, etc. and their racing programs. Pretty soon the big names in car magazines, race drivers, etc. start hating on them. Eventually, that impacts the people buying the lower end models too. But, worse, it starts to heavily damage their brand credibility (as those things are often heavily influenced by the high-end products and brand perception).

The type of stuff we're talking about you wouldn't see much for years, and by the time it shows up in the financials, the damage will have already been done.

All this said, I'm actually quite encouraged with what Apple has done with Mac hardware recently. They have a few things to fix (hello laptops), and maybe a hole or two to fill (ie: between mini and Mac Pro), but otherwise, they seem to be back on that front.

Also, the Mac Pro shows they are in touch (once again) with the needs of professionals, which hopefully will impact the software side of things and some of their software products. I'm hoping the problems were a result of such rapid growth and their trying to re-gain stability.
 
Then you guys need to understand the goal of his role. Also, sales of Apple products validate Apple's strategy.

You guys are the vocal minority while everyone else is very happy and spends their money on Apple products, more than ever.

It's fine to be a fan, but you have to realize reality at some point. You're not the voice of every customer.

People like us were instrumental in making Apple successful! It was evangelists like us that sent huge amounts of business to Apple! I can’t even begin to count how many people I got to switch over to Macs and Apple's other products. I don’t do that anywhere near as much as I used to.

You're the one that has a problem with "reality," in this case. Just like your hero Tim Apple Crook all you care about is maximizing profits.
 
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