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Meanwhile Foxconn employees have to have anti-suicide nets outside of the windows at their factories.

Because you know, Apple is just so much more moral. Never mind the crappy way Apple treats its customers by denying blatant and well known manufacturing defects, requiring the customer to pay out of pocket for such repairs until they are sued and brought into the national light.

Yeah, google does all of that on top of the whole data scam crap. Where do you think their devices are made?
 
One day there will be an event that will challenge Apple's (and other technology companies) view on privacy and force them to take a different stance and share more with governments and law enforcement.

Just because that event hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen............................

And a meteor could destroy the earth tomorrow. Apple is pretty open about their privacy and security practices. When that changes, so will I.
 
What exactly is it you think Google is doing? I see rhetoric and hyperbole in your comment, but nothing of substance. Evil, gutting, preying, against human decency... like how? It's totally fine not to want Google in your life, but you should probably save the overly dramatic prose for something that's worth it. Still I'd really like to know what you think Google is doing.

What rock have you been living under? DuckDuckGo Google + AP news, Google + NBC report, sexual abuse at google, Andy Rubin, culture of ignorance etc .
 
This has JUST been filed. Calling them hypocritical liars this early on is a bit of a jump to conclusions, wouldn't you think?

Ah yes, already made up your mind about guilt. Judge, jury and executioner based on a lawsuit by some ambulance chasers. No evidence seen no evidence cited but hey, they’re guilty right?
Hate much?

Hate much! Hahahaha oh no I said something bad about Apple....

And as for judging so early, we’ll if their wasn’t any factual ‘proof’ they wouldn’t bother taking it to court...

And considering the endless endless endless way Apple portrays how it protects your privacy, then yes they are hypocritical liars. As I suspected.

Of course you two could claim that someone has managed to go to court for a case with zero factual evidence? But the. That would make a total mockery of the US court system wouldn’t it.
 
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Only citizens who think that live in a country with oppressive government with state controlled censorship and that cracks down on dissidents but for the rest of the free world it's not ok.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...in-china/?mc_cid=85f517ca37&mc_eid=887c710687
Duly noted, however:
The best way to protect your personal information from being accessed by the Chinese government is to avoid storing it on servers inside China. Users with a credit card and billing address outside China can use those to register their accounts and keep storing their iCloud data outside China.”
 
Sounded to me like a rhetorical question, hence the answer as to being asked why someone from Calgary would think their data is stored in China.
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Except we don’t know what Apple really does, only what the reporter reports.

look - i was an asic designer and have also designed systems. if apple does not at a minimum do hot/cold testing at high/low voltage, they are negligent.

if you tape out and the foundry tells you the silicon is good to 100C die temperature on slow silicon then you better believe that you check that in your own lab. if the chips don't work at the corners then you go back to the foundry and twist their arm, either for discounts or to make it right.
 
Meanwhile Foxconn employees have to have anti-suicide nets outside of the windows at their factories.

Because you know, Apple is just so much more moral. Never mind the crappy way Apple treats its customers by denying blatant and well known manufacturing defects, requiring the customer to pay out of pocket for such repairs until they are sued and brought into the national light.
Nice headline, but that’s not some major issue. Corporate America is worse than working at Foxconn. Guarantee you. And more suicides.
 
Hate much! Hahahaha oh no I said something bad about Apple....

And as for judging so early, we’ll if their wasn’t any factual ‘proof’ they wouldn’t bother taking it to court...

And considering the endless endless endless way Apple portrays how it protects your privacy, then yes they are hypocritical liars. As I suspected.

Of course you two could claim that someone has managed to go to court for a case with zero factual evidence? But the. That would make a total mockery of the US court system wouldn’t it.
No, not total mockery. But I would guess this is such a blatant thing that Apple isn't doing what the headliner says. But we all understand with Apple it's guilty until proven innocent.
 
Agreed. Apples products are luxury items and I’m perfectly willing to spend extra to get my hardware from a company with Apple’s attitude toward privacy. It’s well worth it in my view. As for their devices being too expensive. They still sell the iPhone 7 for $18.99 a month and if that’s too expensive iOS 13 still supports the iPhone SE and the iPhone 6/6s lines that you can still buy refurbished from Apple Authorized resellers.
There are newly sold products for MOST budgets, including the Mac Mini and the older generation MacBook Air and the iPhone 7. You can also get a decent discount for refurb machines. You get the same level of service and privacy benefits as the more expensive machines.

The notion Apple is some exclusive "luxury brand" is not true.
 
I just wished my “great product” wasn’t crippled. If I want to buy a Kindle book, that’s my right! And if I want Google maps as my default maps app, that’s my right! Apple’s biggest annoyance is that they want to control what we’re able to purchase and customize on our phones, and that’s not ok. Sure, privacy is amazing and very welcomed. But you can’t just keep calling your devices “great” when you intentionally cripple them.

I buy Kindle books all the time on my apple products, what’s your problem?
 
We will see, Apple is being sued for selling users information, that’s not been reported on this site though.

http://9to5mac.com/2019/05/25/apple-itunes-lawsuit/

So much for privacy Apple, sold to the highest bidder it seems... bunch of hypocritical liars.
Since you posted the article do you mind sharing the means of how I can purchase the data. It seems like anyone can do it and the lawsuit doesn’t mention the means.
 
Uggh yes Craig.. your "quality products" :rolleyes:... with false statements on battery life, faulty keyboards, "touch disease", etc. etc..
 
Uggh yes Craig.. your "quality products" :rolleyes:... with false statements on battery life, faulty keyboards, "touch disease", etc. etc..
Let’s ignore the hundreds of millions of perfect devices and instead focus on unknown, anecdotal failures that any product would experience at this scale.
 
I buy Kindle books all the time on my apple products, what’s your problem?
You can't buy Kindle books within any Amazon apps on any iOS device. Apple blocks them. So if you're buying Kindle books on iOS, then you're doing it in Safari, which is a BAD user experience. They gotta be be available in the app!

So don't tell me you're buying them in the app. That's bullcrap. It's not true.
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I agree. If I want a Ford Fiesta engine in my Ferrari, it’s my right!
Are you seriously suggesting that Apple Maps and iBooks are better than Google Maps and Kindle? Because that's objectively untrue. They're not even remotely as good.
 
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I have some questions about Apple and encryption that I hope someone can answer.

iMessage conversations are protected by end to end encryption. My understanding is the only people who can see the contents of the discussions are 1) sender and 2) recipient.

I don't know what Google/Android calls their thing---Messages?

If I'm using Google's version of messaging, I can see the contents of the message and the recipient can see the contents of the message. There is no end to end encryption.

In both cases the sender and recipient are the only two parties that can see the content of the message---how does encryption protect iMessage more than Messages? Is it that the government can't somehow intercept the contents of the messages? That Apple can't read the contents of the messages? As a normal, run of the mill consumer, I like the idea of saying my messages with my mother or wife or whomever are "end to end encrypted," but I'm not really sure what that does for me, practically speaking, that Google Messages doesn't.

This is as opposed to "tracking" on the web, which is easy for me to understand and see as it's happening.

Apple's messages are only encrypted if sending from one Apple user to another, and not when using SMS.

If you really care about end to end encryption then use a messaging program that applies it to every message you send rather than sometimes deciding to just send it unencrypted.
 
Well Apple devices are expensive so you do pay for privacy but I don’t think google are in any position to get on their soap box about privacy of all things. It’s only been in the last few months that they’ve been pretending to be interested in it.
 
Right-Kindle books on all my Apple devices for years. And I use Google Maps on my iPhone-for Apple Car Play. Odd complaint of someone that appears unfamiliar with Apple products.
It is not an odd complaint. It's a very reasonable complaint. And you appear to be the one unfamiliar with Apple products.

No, Kindle books cannot be purchased on iOS in any of the Amazon apps. They can only be purchased in Safari, because Apple blocks the in-app purchases. Apple wants you to buy from iBooks (or they want to take a slice of Amazon's profits, which Amazon's never gonna allow). Therefore, customers cannot buy Kindle books on iOS apps. This isn't up for debate, people! Stop lying and saying that you can buy Kindle books on the iOS apps. You can't!

And no, Google Maps cannot be the default Maps app on iOS. Whether you use it or not is irrelevant to the fact that it cannot be set as the default app. Yes, I use it too. But I'd love for it to be the default. This is not currently possible.

Guys, if you're real Apple fans, you can't just defend the dumb stuff that they do! I love Apple products! But I'm not going to pretend like they don't make it difficult for us consumers to use their competitors' services. They do. It's a very consumer-hostile behavior, and we have to call them out for it!
 
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Apple handed over user data to China state controlled servers which Google has refused to do.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/02/28/technology/apple-icloud-data-china/index.html

There’s subtlety here.

iCloud has always been architected to secure customer data, even if the data centre the bulk data is housed in is hostile and actively trying to get access to it. The plaintext is never in the data centre, nor is the key material to decrypt it.

It does not matter for most ICloud data who runs the DC. (Mail/contacts/calendars/backup it does, but all the services sitting on top of documents & data sync it does not)
 
There’s subtlety here.

iCloud has always been architected to secure customer data, even if the data centre the bulk data is housed in is hostile and actively trying to get access to it. The plaintext is never in the data centre, nor is the key material to decrypt it.

It does not matter for most ICloud data who runs the DC. (Mail/contacts/calendars/backup it does, but all the services sitting on top of documents & data sync it does not)

"The U.S. company is moving iCloud accounts registered in mainland China to state-run Chinese servers on Wednesday along with the digital keys needed to unlock them."

What's subtle about this?
 
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