Ah thanks, makes a bit more sense now. At least their is SOME checking system in place. Still seems a bit crazy as you could waste someone’s time for no reason? But I guess your of had to of paid a lawyer as well anyway to do so?
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Craig Federighi Responds to Google's Subtle 'Luxury Good' Dig About Apple Products and Privacy
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Ah thanks, makes a bit more sense now. At least their is SOME checking system in place. Still seems a bit crazy as you could waste someone’s time for no reason? But I guess your of had to of paid a lawyer as well anyway to do so?
My sister in law, 2 of my best friends, and the lawyer I have used for personal matters all say you don’t need to have government permission to sue. They are all lawyers, with at least 30 years of experience each.
And why would you want the government to have the right to decide if your case is “worthy” of going to court? The defense can file for dismissal soon after the case is filed, and if it is a civil case the government doesn’t have a reason to favor either side. I can think of all sorts of problems our current system has but having the court system arbitrarily rule in one persons or another’s favor without a trail sounds like an even worse idea.
You don't have to pay a lawyer to file a lawsuit, but it's certainly advisable to do so. There are quite a few lawyers who'll pursue a case as long as their clients are paying for it, though, not caring whether it'll go anywhere. This is actually pretty common for class-action suits.
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“Worthy” probably isn’t the best word in retrospect, but in my earlier messages I was referring to standing to sue and the typical defense motion to dismiss for a civil case.
Apples products are not "luxury". They are premium. The difference is that the masses typically can't afford luxury items as they are mostly priced far out of reach of the average person. Premium good such as Apple are available to all, and for those that hold them for for a reasonable amount of time, they have exceptional value.
"privacy cannot be a luxury good offered only to people who can afford to buy premium products and services"
What an idiotic thing to say. Firstly there are plenty of ways to get Apple devices that won't break the bank. My wife uses an iphone 7 and loves it, refuses to upgrade. I'm sure an ip7 is as cheap as most mid level Android phones, probably even cheaper, especially if it's still available on a monthly payment plan. This quote is coming from a company who's hardware is priced right up there with Apple, so I suppose if I buy a "google luxury item" I STILL won't get privacy?!? Even if cheap Apple devices didn't exist I don't get the point of that quote, I guess he's saying that Google services and hardware are subsidized by the monetization of data which should be private, which is a poor trade off IMO. Hey Google why not try selling us that privacy data subsidized Pixel phone for cheap? It seems like they are double dipping, sell you a very highly priced phone AND make loads of money off your data.
What an idiotic thing to say. Firstly there are plenty of ways to get Apple devices that won't break the bank. My wife uses an iphone 7 and loves it, refuses to upgrade. I'm sure an ip7 is as cheap as most mid level Android phones, probably even cheaper, especially if it's still available on a monthly payment plan. This quote is coming from a company who's hardware is priced right up there with Apple, so I suppose if I buy a "google luxury item" I STILL won't get privacy?!? Even if cheap Apple devices didn't exist I don't get the point of that quote, I guess he's saying that Google services and hardware are subsidized by the monetization of data which should be private, which is a poor trade off IMO. Hey Google why not try selling us that privacy data subsidized Pixel phone for cheap? It seems like they are double dipping, sell you a very highly priced phone AND make loads of money off your data.
A 3 year old iPhone 7+ costs $669 if you want more than 32GB
And Apple also sells your data
A non plus iphone 7 is $449 straight from Apple, or $18.99/month. I don't know what non luxury is, but I have a feeling this qualifies, at least in the US. I also see these VERY frequently advertised as FREE if you sign up with a carrier, heck I see ip8's being advertised for free as well. I believe even the ipX had a free or BOGO promo a few times as well. Walmart, Best Buy, etc all also frequently have promos on these as well. But even if you buy straight from Apple, sorry I don't think $18.99/month is exactly "luxury".
As for Apple selling data, if you mean the recent iTunes lawsuit that has yet to be determined. I'm certainly not saying Apple is an angel, I highly doubt that. But they really seem to work incredibly hard on the privacy aspect and there is just no comparison versus them and Google who's sole business is to harvest and sell data.
Multi-year monthly contracts don't make phones cheaper they just spread out the upfront cost.
Put a case on that phone and you're at $500 for garbage 3 year old tech. 5 years old once you've paid for it.
Maybe so, but google will not be the company to offer it.
Either a product is free because it monetises your data, or you pay a company handsomely for it not to.
Pick your poison.
Spreading out the upfront cost IS the idea, so if you don't have that $449 to spend you can actually afford the phone, best of all it's interest free. The iphone 7 is far from garbage, it still runs anything I throw at it and does the job of being a smartphone just fine. It may not be my first choice, but for someone who can't afford a higher priced phone it's an excellent choice. (Psst there are very good cases out there for much less than $51.)
You cannot purchase Kindle books in the Kindle app on iOS. That is the whole point of my post. Apple blocks Amazon from doing in-app digital purchases. And it's a bad user experience! Apple needs to stop ruining the customer experience by intentionally crippling apps.
He can bleat about not collecting data all he wants, but until they have a machine with a keyboard that works that is only say 25-50% more expensive than an equivalent spec machine from other vendors, no deal.
Apple macbooks used to be reliable and not badly priced compared to PCs.
Now, they're a travesty. To buy an equivalent spec, non-expandable macbook pro 13" from Apple vs. what I'd get from system76, i'd be paying at least double.
I'm sorry, but i'm just not sure that macOS is worth that much to me any more.
I'm not saying Google is any better, but there are other viable options.
Apple macbooks used to be reliable and not badly priced compared to PCs.
Now, they're a travesty. To buy an equivalent spec, non-expandable macbook pro 13" from Apple vs. what I'd get from system76, i'd be paying at least double.
I'm sorry, but i'm just not sure that macOS is worth that much to me any more.
I'm not saying Google is any better, but there are other viable options.
If you can only afford a phone by spreading the cost over several years, then you can't really afford it.
How about AppleCare costs?
The XR is already garbage, the 7 is beyond garbage.
Great points.
Don’t know why anyone would think the 7 is garbage, it’s still selling well today.
What other options? Win 10 with its hidden data sharing optons spread all over (at least when it came out) which was the last straw for me. The iMac is still a good choice which I am happy with, and I can better control which data I share with Apple.
Nice way to eliminate the grievances of many in one fell swoop... for your fanboyism.
Must be nice living in a perfect lil bubble where everything is rose-tinted
(instert the monkeys covering their eyes and ears emoji)
That's one to watch with interest.
How did it come about, I mean how did someone go to buy the stat who is selling it? Maybe i missed that info in the article.
No the better way to do this is to aggrandize the points of one person into “we the masses”, take off the rose colored glasses and put on eye patches.Nice way to eliminate the grievances of many in one fell swoop... for your fanboyism.
Must be nice living in a perfect lil bubble where everything is rose-tinted
(instert the monkeys covering their eyes and ears emoji)
I live in reality. You clinging to 2 photos of bent iPads doesn't make a scandal, design flaw, or a referendum on Apple quality.Nice way to eliminate the grievances of many in one fell swoop... for your fanboyism.
Must be nice living in a perfect lil bubble where everything is rose-tinted
(instert the monkeys covering their eyes and ears emoji)
Yes you are correct, that's why you should also never purchase a house, a car, furniture, insurance, etc. if you cannot pay cash up front for those.
Applecare isn't required, we lived just fine before extended warranty plans and if purchased from Apple you get 1 year of warranty coverage. I'm not sure what constitutes the scientific terminology of "garbage", but for me the litmus test would be does the phone function properly and run all existing apps? Since the answer to that question for both the XR and the 7 is yes then I'm not sure how they could be considered "garbage".Yes you are correct, that's why you should also never purchase a house, a car, furniture, insurance, etc. if you cannot pay cash up front for those.
You just compared buying an iPhone to buying a house while attempting to argue iPhones aren't expensive.
Not all houses are expensive, what’s your point? What’s your definition of expensive? If the fold expensive? S10 5g? Xr? Flip phone?
Freemium apps datamine you like no tomorrow and then sell it on. It’s been going on for years and Apple full well knows all about it, it’s why I find it hypocritical when they blab on about privacy, because their isn’t any!:
http://toucharcade.com/2015/09/16/we-own-you-confessions-of-a-free-to-play-producer/