Why is Apple hypocritical? The app developer is nefarious and you agreed to download a 3rd party app. There is only so much Apple can stop; and it seems they stop a lot. More than android and more than windows.
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Craig Federighi Responds to Google's Subtle 'Luxury Good' Dig About Apple Products and Privacy
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I wasn't even talking about that. But by all means, do cling to that being all it is, and it all being "minor".. Have you seen the recent thread on the new Macbook Pro? Looked at the top rated comments? butterfly keyboard NoT a PRomBLem
NOPE!!! UR JJust LookINg at PicTureS of BENt IpADsLOL ... wow
here, I'll help u
"Does it come with a keyboard that works?" (98 votes)
""Substantially reduce" keyboard problems? Not "eliminate" keyboard problems?" (72 votes)
"You gotta be nuts to buy one of these machines until the butterfly keyboard is relegated to the dustbin of history." (52 votes (yikes))
"I'm no longer in the market as I think the design of the butterfly keyboard is flawed. I truely do hope for mac fans that this does fix the issue once and for all. I had hoped that was the case with the 3rd generation." (38 votes (y i k e s))
"Not upgrading until the ****** touch-bar is removed" (49 votes) OOF
Chill out. Daddy Apple will still be there for you <3 LOL XD
No but seriously, the way you guys treat Apple like it's your father or something... LIke others are besmirching him, ... it's kinda sad tbh.
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You keep repeating the statement that Apple prevents this. It is false. Amazon has decided that for its own business reasons it does not care about the user experience to be willing to pay Apple a percentage of the in-app purchase. Given that Amazon has not changed it, I presume that it is not enough of an issue for users to have had an impact on sales.
To quantify this issue, how many books do you buy a year from the kindle store? What is your primary reading device? How often have you wanted to purchase a book from the kindle store on an iOS device?
Be sure to read my recent edit, you replied before it.
100+ people complaining about a design flaw...
Yeah being a smart consumer sure is extremist............
(but if that's not what you mean... then yeah, this site is kind of extremist. Evidently. (talking about that other guy)
So... being sued is evidence of guilt? Nice.
I read the article you linked. It summarizes some allegations, but no evidence.
Got anything that isn't a PR piece for the class-action lawyers? (A more odious creature doesn't exist, by the way.)
No I compared buying different things with payments over time that you may not have the ability to pay in full, the principle is the same regardless of the amount. It's actually more beneficial in relation to the iphone because you don't have any interest on those payments.
Just because you can't afford something up front doesn't mean you actually can't afford it. A smart person leverages credit to not tie up his money and possibly make a return on that money using it in other investment vehicles.
Your a bit late to the party on this one. You can read through the last 3 pages and see the discussion I had on the topic with someone who was great at explaining your system, which still seems a bit backward to me.
Unless you have failure rates, you just posted a few threads on a forum. 18M macs were sold last year. You can trick up your posts with all kinds of Internet mockery, but you have no substance.I wasn't even talking about that. But by all means, do cling to that being all it is, and it all being "minor".. Have you seen the recent thread on the new Macbook Pro? Looked at the top rated comments? butterfly keyboard NoT a PRomBLem
LOL ... wow
here, I'll help u
"Does it come with a keyboard that works?" (98 votes)
""Substantially reduce" keyboard problems? Not "eliminate" keyboard problems?" (72 votes)
"You gotta be nuts to buy one of these machines until the butterfly keyboard is relegated to the dustbin of history." (52 votes (yikes))
"I'm no longer in the market as I think the design of the butterfly keyboard is flawed. I truely do hope for mac fans that this does fix the issue once and for all. I had hoped that was the case with the 3rd generation." (38 votes (y i k e s))
"Not upgrading until the ****** touch-bar is removed" (49 votes) OOF
Chill out. Daddy Apple will still be there for you <3 LOL XD
No but seriously, the way you guys treat Apple like it's your father or something... LIke others are besmirching him, ... it's kinda sad tbh.
[doublepost=1559148434][/doublepost]
It's always black or white HURR HURR
nOthINg iN BeTwEEn GUiZe!!
Nice way to eliminate the grievances of many in one fell swoop... for your fanboyism.
Must be nice living in a perfect lil bubble where everything is rose-tinted
(instert the monkeys covering their eyes and ears emoji)
Is it so hard to believe that with 1.4 billion active devices in circulation, there are plenty of satisfied costumers out there whose Apple products are working perfectly fine for them?
The substance is pretty clear, Apple themselves have repair programs for all laptops with the butterfly keyboard, believe me they didn't do it out of the kindness of thier hearts, they did it to control damage till the next complete redesign. It would cost them to much to redesign it so early in the 4 year cycle.
So what Federighi is saying is that Apple's services being subpar has nothing to with their stricter stance on privacy? That was their one excuse that may have held water.
Oh yea, I read that when it first came out, via 3rd parties. Makes sense.
Repair programs just mean they are taking care of the issues where they exist. If it were a design flaw, they couldn’t repair 18M Macs. It’s just not as big as you believe.
No, repair programs are there when there is an inherent design issue. There will be some people who are unaffected within the 4 years repair program period so Apple will not repair 18m units. It's easy to try and deny there is an issue till you are personally affected, ive had issues with every iteration on the butterfly keyboard, either im the unluckiest person alive or there is an inherent design issue.
I don’t agree. Design issues and repair programs are 2 different things. Design issues are the Samsung Galaxy Fold problem.
Doesn’t matter what you’ve experienced. A design issue would require a far more aggressive response AND a design change in the 2019 form factor if it were anything close to significant.
I’d argue if Apple is trying to damage control by saying it will fix keyboards, then it’s a pretty aggressive response
If the issue required something drastic, they’d have no choice. Design flaws can’t be swept under the rug easily.
You don't need a repair program if there is no issue with the product, how it this so hard for you to understand. Anyway outside of 3 people on this forum it's common knowledge that the keyboards have issues so i'm not going to waste anymore time talking about it.
Windows 10 is an option, but i was more referring to Linux.
Yes, it is a compromise, but it is less of a compromise than it used to be and if you need actual processing power, far, far cheaper than macOS.
My R7 2700X for example is Linux only - plays media just fine, works with my network, runs a heap of virtual machines, and whilst the media editing applications are lacking, they're getting better. If i HAVE to i can run windows for those specific tasks.
And you can get a keyboard that works on the laptops it works on. For half the price with way better hardware spec. And expandable.
Let me ask you to quantify your expectation as to the order of magnitude that these keyboards have. Do you think their failure rate is close to 100%? 75%? 50%? 25%? 10%? 5%? 1%? Less? With tens of millions of machines sold, even 1% would be over 100,000. It does seem that there is a problem with the design for certain users (maybe affected by their particular use patterns), however, I am pretty confident that if the number was over 10%, Apple would have replaced the design almost immediately, as the cost of the maintenance would be extreme.
I completely accept there are a meaningful number of users who are having problems. What I do not accept is that the vocal users from whom we hear on here, are anything that shows an existential threat to Apple.
One can acknowledge that the product has a higher percentage of failures than Apple would like and is willing to tolerate, and still not think that it is all over.
To answer your question it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN they will fail. Its an inherent design issue, not a manufacturing tolerance issue, all of these machines have the same problem. Apple has tried to fix this inherent issue with each iteration with small changes to materials used etc however i suspect only a full redesign will fix it in 2020. Apple introduced the repair program due to multiple class action lawsuits.
Of course it's not all over for Apple, i suspect once they redesign the keyboard in 2020 this will all blow over but for now i would not advise anyone who wants to keep their machine for longer than 4 years to buy a current MBP.
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If Apple deliberately addressed keyboard concerns with a keyboard policy and subtly changed their current 2019 keyboard, does that say “repair program” or does that say they know their keyboards have some deficiencies?
I think Apple is facing a dilemma themselves.
If they go after developers known for mining data, they get accused of being a bully. Just look at the controversy surrounding screen-time apps when Apple yanked enterprise access for them (which basically tanked their entire business model).
Yet if Apple does nothing (or is seen as not having done anything), they get accused of being negligent.
I think what Apple can realistically do is to keep promoting their own default apps, which shouldn't data-mine their users. This is why I support Apple favouring their own native apps, to the point of giving them special system-level access or integrations that third party apps don't have.
The safest hands are still your own.