Craig Federighi Says Touch Bar on New MacBook Pro Has 'So Much Potential' For Developers

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    YouTube tech reviewer Marques Brownlee has shared an exclusive interview with Apple senior vice president of software engineering Craig Federighi. The pair chatted about the new MacBook Pro and its customizable Touch Bar, which Federighi said is "going to be great" and has "so much potential" for developers.


    Touch Bar is a Multi-Touch strip of glass that replaces the standard row of function keys on the new MacBook Pros, providing users with system-level and app-specific controls that contextually change. For example, when a user types text in a document, the Touch Bar might include controls for adjusting the font face and size.

    MacBook Pro users can interact with the Touch Bar using gestures. Tapping activates a control, such as a button, or selects an item, such as an emoji. Touching and holding initiates a secondary action on a control, such as a button. Panning moves an element, such as a slider of photos or emojis, from side-to-side.

    The questions and answers below were edited slightly for clarity and brevity.

    "Why now? Why 2016 for us to arrive at the Touch Bar?"
    "Similar to Touch ID in the iPhone, Touch Bar will get better with time, right? What are you most looking forward to seeing, maybe in a year from now, when we have these and developers get their hands on it? What kind of stuff should we expect to see?"

    Apple's newly published design guidelines refer to the Touch Bar as an extension of the keyboard and trackpad, not the display. Apple does not want developers to include display alerts, messages, scrolling content, or static content in their Touch Bar extensions, but rather controls that resemble the appearance of the physical keyboard keys in terms of size and color.
    The guidelines also tell developers not to include functions solely in the Touch Bar to ensure backwards compatibility with older Macs. There must always be a way to perform tasks using the keyboard or trackpad. Apple also tells developers not to use Touch Bar for well-known keyboard shortcuts such as find, select all, deselect, copy, cut, paste, undo, redo, new, save, close, print, and quit.

    Article Link: Craig Federighi Says Touch Bar on New MacBook Pro Has 'So Much Potential' For Developers
  2. farewelwilliams macrumors 68020

    Jun 18, 2014
  3. Arthur75 macrumors 6502


    Mar 9, 2015
    paris, france
    Anybody knows whether the headphone jack on the 13 and 15 new MBPs is still also an optical audio line out (like on previous models), or is it just a simple headphone jack ? I use my MBP a lot closed, hooked up to a desktop display and to my audio video amp via optical audio out, and would be quite pissed to go back to analog hook up to the amp, which created plenty of scratching and strange things ...
  4. recoil80 macrumors 68020

    Jul 16, 2014
    Sure it has great potential and it enhance the user experience with fullscreen app.
    When I work on my MBA I really need space and putting some toolbar buttons on the touch bar would be great. But I never look at my keyboard while typing so I'd have to change the way I work with my computer.
    It is cool technology but not a game changer, at least not for everyone
  5. garirry macrumors 68000


    Apr 27, 2013
    Canada is my city
  6. Acidsplat macrumors regular

    Aug 12, 2011
    Wonder if it's too little too late.
    I haven't seen this much negative feedback on a Mac portable since the original MacBook Air.
  7. Steve.P.JobsFan macrumors 6502a


    Jan 27, 2010
    I don't see why it wouldn't be.
  8. GrumpyMom macrumors 604


    Sep 11, 2014
    Okay I guess maybe I'm not understanding this too well but why on earth would they let developers use this thing to input emojis of all things, but not let them use it for shortcuts to something useful but often tediously accomplished via keyboard shortcuts like select, cut, paste, etc.? For some people with limited range of movement due to injury or arthritis, this would be useful. You wouldn't need to eliminate keyboard shortcuts, just enable a new alternative.
  9. Zorrotoro macrumors newbie

    Oct 27, 2016
    Gimmick AT BEST. A little too late. Um...Fujitsu laptops had fingerprint unlock technology before 2010 and many Windows laptops already have 4K screens with multi-touch gestures. As always, enjoy your overpriced MacBook Pros. I wish I could put MacOS on a Dell XPS laptop. Much better design.

  10. Capt T macrumors 6502a

    Mar 20, 2010
    From what I saw of the Adobe demo, they do let them use it for shortcuts. I think the emoji thing was a stab at humor with the messaging app....

    I think people are getting hung up on a minor option that was shown, which they don't care for, and not paying attention to the real potential. And once the shortcuts are there, and as a user you are used to where you or a dev put them I doubt you will need to look to use them.
  11. HJM.NL macrumors 68020


    Jul 25, 2016
    I haven't tried it myself and although it looks nice, I think its an ergonomic disaster. You go from the trackpad (blindly) to the touch bar (you have to look), use it... look at the screen if it's okay and over and over again... Can't believe Apple comes up with such an ergonomic disaster like this. They really don't get it and are out of ideas. Did this really took 4 years to develop :eek:.

    Same for photo's. I don't get the double functions with the trackpad. Multitouch on the trackpad is ergonomic logical in my opinion (you can keep your eyes on the screen and naturally perform certain tasks on the trackpad).

    I understand the pricing. Numbers of Apple's iPads are down for years, by upping the price for the notebooks, they hope to sell more iPads. With this pace of innovation they'll sell less from both.
  12. colbertnation macrumors regular

    Nov 20, 2009
    Poor Craig. It feels like him and Phil are the last of the SJ bred senior execs who actually want to innovate and push the boundaries. But they're held back by Timmy's penny pinching ******** and Jony's idiotic quest for an invisibly thin Apple device.

    The way Craig says in his first answer, that they've been working on this for years.. to me it sounds like "FFS, Timmy finally let us get this out."
  13. BPresh macrumors member

    Jul 11, 2015
    You're really going to compare 2nd Gen Touch ID to pre-2010 Fujitsu laptop biometrics?

  14. naujoks macrumors 6502


    Jul 6, 2008
    London, UK
    "It's the best. It's awesome. It's going to be great, I promise it! I guarantee it, OK?"
  15. Acidsplat macrumors regular

    Aug 12, 2011
    Never thought I wanted Scott Forstall back.
    He can keep the skeuomorphism but bring back the Steve level of detail.
  16. argentum47 macrumors regular


    Jun 18, 2014
    We wouldn't be as angry if they hadn't gimped the $1,499 rMBP by using a Macbook Air class 6360U 15W CPU...
    Why give us something worse for the same money after 2 years of wait?
  17. Michael Goff Suspended

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    How about we compare it to the fingerprint reader on the type cover you could buy from Microsoft for over a year now?
  18. Gr81MB macrumors 6502


    Dec 4, 2007
    i don't know how a touch screen bar on a notebook is innovation and cause for a massive price hike, Can't believe people are falling for this! It's insulting on apples part but I know people will say "oh no" it's a reasonable price
  19. Leo90 macrumors 6502

    Sep 15, 2014
    Apple starts reminding me Microsoft and Sony of 00's sitting in its throne neglecting all the innovation that's been happening in the industry and simply adding minimal functional innovation to their product lineup. I love my 2016 MacBook as it is a great computer overall but I wish Apple would be brave enough to start thinking outside of the box. What about higher integration between iOS and MacOS? What about augmented reality potentials? I am sorry Federighi, this touchbar looks interesting but you can see straight away it is a gimmick, it is not ergonomic to work with, there will be a point the user will just grab a mouse and do all those tasks quicker. Dont try to fool us with "developers" talk now, this is not iOS, this is macOS, the same OS whose App Store is pretty much dead. I really enjoy Apple products, but somehow I start feeling they are becoming overhyped this day and I cant simply justify spending 2k pounds like this for an additional touchbar and a few improvements. I want Apple to start focusing on their products again and not only sales pitch and marketing.
  20. mschira macrumors newbie

    Oct 20, 2015
    Yea. Well of course he's saying it's great. That's his job.
    Me? Render me unimpressed. They are nice machines, for sure. But they are ridiculously pricey. And they are not what customers wanted. How many Macbook Pro owners where waiting for a smaller pro? I think not many. How many Macbook air owners wanted a more powerful Macbook Air and where willing to pay the premium? Not many - they could have gotten the older Macbook Pro Retina.

    Oh of course how many wanted to get rid of the standard USB ports, because they take up soooo much space?

    But what we got is a price hike. Awesome. That's what we've all been waiting for.
    Truth is, we've been warned. When Apple decided to marry beats audio, well known shiny, overpriced but poor sound hardware...

    And look who's came up with an innovative piece of hardware with a useful pen for an desktop just yesterday?
    P.S. and they killed the Macbook air 11. Why? I love this machine. And if they had to where is the replacement? I mean the 12" Macbook is nice for people wanting a typewriter and surfmachine, but the anemic hardware can't replace the 11" Macbook air. Why not come up with a slightly thicker 12" machine with a 17W CPU?
  21. actinide macrumors regular


    Apr 7, 2016
    The touch bar is silly. As a designer I want to interact with my models on screen. Making my Wacom tablet obsolete. As much as I love Mac, maybe it's time to let go. The Surface studio and book have so much more potential.
  22. subsonix macrumors 68040

    Feb 2, 2008
    But how often do you use the function key row blindly to begin with, those keys are pretty much useless IMO because you never know what functionality they provide in different applications.
  23. sshambles macrumors 6502a


    Oct 19, 2005
    Cool feature, but hardly worth the 'Hello again' tagline IMO.

    What has happened to Apple's continuity?

    iPhone 7 with no headphone jack - plug in via Lightning, okay sure. But to then KEEP a headphone jack on their updated MacBooks instead of replacing it with a Lightning port? This doesn't keep in line with their 'courage' statement. It simply DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

    And in all seriousness, this NEVER would have happened.....
  24. dixido macrumors member


    Aug 29, 2010
  25. Wolfram66 Suspended

    Jul 19, 2016

    & "being just right to really pull this off" What was that movie the great heist lol Just really dumb about the ram, being the same for like 5 years ? Built in obsolescence. Have to get proficient with windows again. The Dell XPS are pretty tricked out with 32gB and 1TB SSD and 2Gb graphics for less and true 4K display ?

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