Mac has never been a great platform for gaming. But getting productivity apps like Quicken to work is much easier and more useful to many people. Something to remember is that WINE is a relatively niche product and Codeweavers is a small shop. If a bigger entity with more resources made the effort, it would work very smoothly.
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CrossOver Allows x86 Windows Apps to Run on Apple M1 Macs
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This is great news! I'd bet CrossOver gets more love now that direct virtualization isn't possible—although who knows what Parallels et al. have cooking.
This is amazing! Hoping Parallels and VMWare get on board with Windows emulation on Apple Silicon as well. Game changer.
And this is just the first M1 in 3 and 4 core versions!
I wonder how long before Microsoft dumps Intel for it's own chip
They didn't fully dump Intel, but the Surface Pro X has a customized "Microsoft SQ1 Chip"
Just to clarify, this is translation, not emulation as implied in the article, right?
If I can do Intel VM (Fusion/Parallels) on M1, I'm considering to sell my 2020 MBP
The SQ1 is also known as the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx. The SQ2 is the Snapdragon 8cx Gen 2.
Depends how strict you are about the definition.
CrossOver is Wine, which originally stood for Wine is Not an Emulator.
WineHQ - Run Windows applications on Linux, BSD, Solaris and macOS
Open Source Software for running Windows applications on other operating systems.
www.winehq.org
Rosetta 2 is for all intents and purposes, an emulator, though some will argue just because its transpiled ahead of time rather than on-the-fly. But Rosetta ultimately allows x86 code to run on Apple Silicon. WINE allows you to run x86 Windows code on another x86 non-windows Platform.
So Rosetta is running CrossOver, and CrossOver is running the Windows APIs.
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Don't need one, unless you mean version of MacOS X in addition to Classic.
There is a Sheepshaver package that is 64-bit clean (Mac OS 9). It is prebuilt and has the 9.0.4 OS already installed with a host of extensions. It should run on a M1 Mac as is and even if it does it shouldn't be (or I hope it isn't) that hard to make it native. It does not (and as far as I can tell will never) run anything higher than Classic 9.0.4.
If I understand how this particular fork works correctly it only runs on Macs (vanilla Sheepshaver can run on Windows) and so should be compliant with Apple's restriction that the MacOS can only run on Apple hardware. The version I am using is 2019.12.06 and has "Edward Mendelson for non-GPL code" in the Copyright field.
IIRC the link is buried in the E-Maculation forums.
On a side note there is a "macitosh.js app" that runs Classic 8.1 but it is written in Electron so it is not as responsive as the Sheepshaver package.
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Haha, well I think the point here is that it's possible. But that level of emulation will kill your fps, you're 100% right.
Actually Rosetta 2 is a translator which is far faster than an emulator.Depends how strict you are about the definition.
CrossOver is Wine, which originally stood for Wine is Not an Emulator.
WineHQ - Run Windows applications on Linux, BSD, Solaris and macOS
Open Source Software for running Windows applications on other operating systems.
Rosetta 2 is for all intents and purposes, an emulator, though some will argue just because its transpiled ahead of time rather than on-the-fly. But Rosetta ultimately allows x86 code to run on Apple Silicon. WINE allows you to run x86 Windows code on another x86 non-windows Platform.
So Rosetta is running CrossOver, and CrossOver is running the Windows APIs.
Yes. I've used it for engineering stuff that's Windows-only. Simple enough, works ok. But games are complex of course.
Look at Age of Empires II. They had a PPC Mac version that worked great. Then Lion dropped Rosetta, and they released Age of Empires II "HD"... for Windows only. It had more bugs than the original game and only tiny graphical improvements, yet people migrated to that. So I tried it in Wine, and 20 DLL patches later, it but had terrible performance. It's a 2D game from the 90s for crying out loud. Forget it, childhood is over anyway.
Only game I'm happy playing in Wine is AssaultCube, at 200fps. (It has a Mac version, but it has weird framedrops.)
I've been using Crossover for half a year now. As long as Sequator and Diablo II LOD work on the new Macs, I'm a happy guy.
Actually Rosetta 2 is no more an emulator then WINE is. It, like WINE, is a translator and translators are far faster then emulators. This is why x86 in Microsoft's ARM Windows blows goats - it emulators rather than translators the x86 code.Depends how strict you are about the definition.
CrossOver is Wine, which originally stood for Wine is Not an Emulator.
WineHQ - Run Windows applications on Linux, BSD, Solaris and macOS
Open Source Software for running Windows applications on other operating systems.
Rosetta 2 is for all intents and purposes, an emulator, though some will argue just because its transpiled ahead of time rather than on-the-fly. But Rosetta ultimately allows x86 code to run on Apple Silicon. WINE allows you to run x86 Windows code on another x86 non-windows Platform.
So Rosetta is running CrossOver, and CrossOver is running the Windows APIs.
I just tried Trackmania.
While everything about the installation and game was very fast and smooth, the framerate and smoothness while playing the game was extremely low.
So choppy and laggy.
Even on lowest quality settings.
I wonder how I could fix this, if possible..
Something to change about OpenGL/DirectX?
Maybe Parallels will be the best solution, if they get something going (looks like it)
While everything about the installation and game was very fast and smooth, the framerate and smoothness while playing the game was extremely low.
So choppy and laggy.
Even on lowest quality settings.
I wonder how I could fix this, if possible..
Something to change about OpenGL/DirectX?
Maybe Parallels will be the best solution, if they get something going (looks like it)