Current iPad owners, what can apple do to make you buy iPad 2?

[panzer06]

I'd like to see a lighter, faster, version with a more open file system for actually managing files for minor editing and creation. Also some way to scroll in those data entry boxes on some websites. Seems like I'd need a mouse. Better printing options etc...

However, the biggest thing that will get me to move on an IPad 2 -- is my wife wants one and it's a nice way for me to get a new one while passing this one along.

Cheers,

 

[knucklehead]

Sounds like camera envy.

Actually, I have a full SLR kit
Lenses .... bigger than yours

The iPad as currently marketed by Apple does not fit your definition of the future.

Your use of the words "current", and "future" in that sentence is a bit odd. This is about the possibilities for the next iPad, not the current one.
I'm not "defining" the future - it will roll out however it rolls out.
We're in a pretty revolutionary period now with these powerful and connected mobile devices being able to be with us all the time - it will to some extent change how people live. And as much as the hardware, some of the apps will drive this change. Evernote might be an example of one of these game changing apps.

The iPad is to limited with its storage and OS systems. Again, it is meant for media consumption, not geared towards content creation. Surely you've recognized this by now. It's only been 9 months since it hit the market. Importing from one device might be inconvenient but judging from the way Apple does things, this is how they will proceed in the future.

Again, look some of the cloud apps for the storage issue - connectivity alters that a bit.
I don't really see where the iPad specifically marketed solely for media consumption. Isn't it currently being marketed as "magical" or something.
In it's current form, it's better at consumption than creation, but hopefully that will change with future versions. Competition from other devices will probably force that whether we imagine Apple wants to do it or not.

Interesting times, and it will be fun to see what happens. I don't really know how it will turn out any better than you do.

 

[Vaebn]

Exactly. Again, the iPad is a media consumption device. It is not built around creating loads of content.

And if that extra sensor was added, it would also be a very good content creation device -as well-. Simples.

And one, whose form factor is actually spot on, ever since ancient times.

It's actually funny, that Apple sales an entire designed add-on keyboard for that (No content creation intention with those, right? Do people really buy those? It defeats the whole point of minimalism), when it is very clear what the obvious accessory would be.

 

[Mawal]

in one word

* Flash - I strongly dislike flash, not having it seriously limits the web experience, though...

other than that:

* integrated file and print management system

* better display

* lighter

* at least same battery life

 

[foiden]

I think lighter weight would be one of the most wanted features, even though I'm unsure what they can get rid of to lighten it up.

Front-facing camera so it can be used as a video-chat is a start. Outside of that, I'll just have to see. Especially since 4.2, the iPad is doing just about everything I want an iOS device to do.

Higher resolution would be nice. iPhone has retina display, the latest Macbook Airs have extra high resolution for their size. It would be interesting to see just about everything get a similar treatment on a refresh.

 

[aluren]

The only thing I care about is a higher resolution screen. If it's better, I'll buy the iPad 2. Everything else like speed/ram/battery life increase is expected.

 

[512ke]

What would it take for me to replace my current iPad?

Somebody has to give me one for free.

Or mine has to break.

Or the new version has to do replace something I already have and do the job much better (like, what if the iPad can replace my set top box and become an iTV wirelessly beaming content to my TV so I don't have to pay UVerse each month?)

I still have my first gen iPhone. It still works.

I'll buy new gadgets to let me do new stuff. I won't spend money to be able to do mostly the same stuff only marginally better.

That's just me.

 

[georgee2face]

lighter, faster, native printing

that'd do it for me.
but it'll take all three
Is that a poem?

 

[EssentialParado]

You would leap to have a 9.7" 1024x768 IPS screen for your home computer?

Please do read my post again. I didn't mention the size or resolution at all. What I mentioned was the 132ppi pixel density, the quality of the image, and the IPS system. Those are what contribute to it being one of the best screens on the market, and what i'd love to see on other screens. Anyone who considers the iPad screen as 'bad' is insane, and anyone who wants a better screen is being unreasonably optimistic.

 

[sapporobaby]

Actually, I have a full SLR kit
Lenses .... bigger than yours

The iPad as currently marketed by Apple does not fit your definition of the future.

Your use of the words "current", and "future" in that sentence is a bit odd. This is about the possibilities for the next iPad, not the current one.
I'm not "defining" the future - it will roll out however it rolls out.
We're in a pretty revolutionary period now with these powerful and connected mobile devices being able to be with us all the time - it will to some extent change how people live. And as much as the hardware, some of the apps will drive this change. Evernote might be an example of one of these game changing apps.




Again, look some of the cloud apps for the storage issue - connectivity alters that a bit.
I don't really see where the iPad specifically marketed solely for media consumption. Isn't it currently being marketed as "magical" or something.
In it's current form, it's better at consumption than creation, but hopefully that will change with future versions. Competition from other devices will probably force that whether we imagine Apple wants to do it or not.

Interesting times, and it will be fun to see what happens. I don't really know how it will turn out any better than you do.

Kit? Sounds a bit newbie to me but okay and as for lenses, unless they have a gold ring, they are for the enthusiasts. Kits are generally sold to people new photography but for the sake of argument you have a kit. Anyway, lets move along shall we?

I was talking about your future. From all the marketing, press releases, etc... the iPad in its current form plus a few additions here and there is how Apple plans to position it in the future. Why make it into a full on laptop device when the Air is positioned for this. It seems that this is lost on you. I have an iPad and a new 11 MBA and for me they are night and day. When I am traveling for pleasure, I bring only the iPad, but when I go to shoot and need to use Aperture or Lightroom, or something more robust, along comes the Air and the external HD. Surely (don't call me Shirley) you see the difference. The iPad is not meant to be a major production device. It is meant for content consumption. Apple positions it as such, it sells as such.

Great to have all of these cloud services but for actual usage connectivity while mobile is simply to slow. Try to post a few images to a web based service then try to edit them in Aperture of Lightroom. Never gonna happen until LTE (real LTE) is standard across the globe.

As for competition, when has Apple been known to jump on a bandwagon because the competition did something. How many Apple devices have BluRay? The thing is, Apple does EXTENSIVE testing with focus groups to see what the average person within the bell curve wants. Yes, at the fringes people want an iPad with Retina Display, 1TB of storage, quad-core processors, etc... but for the average Joe the iPad is right in the sweet spot. If the iPad is not to your liking you always have the competition to run to.

 

[sapporobaby]

And if that extra sensor was added, it would also be a very good content creation device -as well-. Simples.

And one, whose form factor is actually spot on, ever since ancient times.

It's actually funny, that Apple sales an entire designed add-on keyboard for that (No content creation intention with those, right? Do people really buy those? It defeats the whole point of minimalism), when it is very clear what the obvious accessory would be.

I didn't say or mean to imply that there is no content creation. Ever hear of Keynote, Pages, and Numbers for the iPad? Of course there is the ability to create APPS for the task but you are talking about developing hardware for a very small minority. Sorry but what you want does not have the critical mass to warrant it. Like I said, there are probably Windows machines (tablets) that might do what you want.

 

[Piggie]

The thing is, Apple does EXTENSIVE testing with focus groups to see what the average person within the bell curve wants. Yes, at the fringes people want an iPad with Retina Display, 1TB of storage, quad-core processors, etc... but for the average Joe the iPad is right in the sweet spot. If the iPad is not to your liking you always have the competition to run to.

I would really really REALLY be interested in this.

Just who Apple asks about things, and who they listen to, and when they decide they know better.

Hello focus group, should we allow you to choose your own message alert tone? NO? Ok great.

Hello focus group, should we change this switch on the side which 10 million people have got used to, to something you probably won't understand, a mute switch that only mutes some things? YES? Ok great.

Would you like to be able to organise your photo's on the device, you know, drag them into folders, without having to connect to your computer back home to do it? NO? Ok great.

This brand new $600 device we are going to launch, would you prefer a mono speaker or stereo speakers? MONO? Ok, great.

When you take photo's with your Camera, would you like to be able to plug the card into our new device and read the files, or would you like to have to buy a plastic box you have to plug into and have hanging out the bottom in order to read the files? PLASTIC BOX? Great, ok.

Thanks for your input, After lunch we'll have some more questions to help us in our design

 

[r2fa3l]

Retina Display, Lighter.
Safari to be better, the app store needs a lot of maintenance.

 

[Night Spring]

I would really really REALLY be interested in this.

Just who Apple asks about things, and who they listen to, and when they decide they know better.

I thought Apple didn't do focus groups? I just googled "Apple focus group" and got a whole bunch of articles claiming Apple doesn't use focus groups.

 

[sapporobaby]

I would really really REALLY be interested in this.

Just who Apple asks about things, and who they listen to, and when they decide they know better.

Hello focus group, should we allow you to choose your own message alert tone? NO? Ok great.

Hello focus group, should we change this switch on the side which 10 million people have got used to, to something you probably won't understand, a mute switch that only mutes some things? YES? Ok great.

Would you like to be able to organise your photo's on the device, you know, drag them into folders, without having to connect to your computer back home to do it? NO? Ok great.

This brand new $600 device we are going to launch, would you prefer a mono speaker or stereo speakers? MONO? Ok, great.

When you take photo's with your Camera, would you like to be able to plug the card into our new device and read the files, or would you like to have to buy a plastic box you have to plug into and have hanging out the bottom in order to read the files? PLASTIC BOX? Great, ok.

Thanks for your input, After lunch we'll have some more questions to help us in our design

Good point.

Some of the things you mention have been addressed in software by 3rd
party guys, at least the photo apps which I use.

As for the hardware issues, again you have points but I am quite sure Apple
did not pull these ideas out of thin air or just let design engineers come up
with this.

 

[sapporobaby]

I thought Apple didn't do focus groups? I just googled "Apple focus group" and got a whole bunch of articles claiming Apple doesn't use focus groups.

I spoke to some of the local Apple reps here in Finland a few months back and they said that they send questionnaires and NDA's (of course) to developers, people who purchase Apple products (I was in the Snow Leopard Beta Program). I am about a blazillion light years away from any kind of development. Just an average person. So this might be the non-focus, focus group type that they use.

 

[poloponies]

I would really really REALLY be interested in this.

Just who Apple asks about things, and who they listen to, and when they decide they know better.

Hello focus group, should we allow you to choose your own message alert tone? NO? Ok great.

Hello focus group, should we change this switch on the side which 10 million people have got used to, to something you probably won't understand, a mute switch that only mutes some things? YES? Ok great.

Would you like to be able to organise your photo's on the device, you know, drag them into folders, without having to connect to your computer back home to do it? NO? Ok great.

This brand new $600 device we are going to launch, would you prefer a mono speaker or stereo speakers? MONO? Ok, great.

When you take photo's with your Camera, would you like to be able to plug the card into our new device and read the files, or would you like to have to buy a plastic box you have to plug into and have hanging out the bottom in order to read the files? PLASTIC BOX? Great, ok.

Thanks for your input, After lunch we'll have some more questions to help us in our design

You keep looking at it like it's the only product Apple sells. They always have to balance features on new items with their existing product lines. They aren't in the business of sacrificing a $1,200 sale in favor a $600 one; they want it to work in the other direction. "iPad doesn't do it for you, then try the MacBook."

Like it or not they have to think long-term. If that means you can't get every imaginable bell and whistle - well, nobody's making you buy it.

 

[sapporobaby]

You keep looking at it like it's the only product Apple sells. They always have to balance features on new items with their existing product lines. They aren't in the business of sacrificing a $1,200 sale in favor a $600 one; they want it to work in the other direction. "iPad doesn't do it for you, then try the MacBook."

Like it or not they have to think long-term. If that means you can't get every imaginable bell and whistle - well, nobody's making you buy it.

Great points. Apple is not in the biz to be anyone's friend. They are in the biz to sell things. Lots of things for as much as possible that the people will bear. Has anyone looked at the price points for the new MBA's and the top of the line iPad? They are insanely close. So close that you have to decide, iPad 3G/wifi 64 gig or MBA 11, or in my case, I have them both. The idea is to get consumers to buy at least one if not two. They are not a charity and in biz to give things away. The iPad is my ultra-mobile vacation, stay in touch, off-load photos, travel device while my MBA is my "don't schlepp the MBP 17 inch tonnage along" device. Two devices, two totally different missions but to similar price models.

 

[Piggie]

You keep looking at it like it's the only product Apple sells. They always have to balance features on new items with their existing product lines. They aren't in the business of sacrificing a $1,200 sale in favor a $600 one; they want it to work in the other direction. "iPad doesn't do it for you, then try the MacBook."

Like it or not they have to think long-term. If that means you can't get every imaginable bell and whistle - well, nobody's making you buy it.

Just to clarify.

I love the iPad. And I'm sure many many other people love it also.

I don't think I'm the only one that is frustrated by such tiny things that could, in our minds, make such a difference.

If the iPad was terrible I'd not have one and I'd not be bothered. But it's not, it's fantastic, it's just the few tiny niggles that I'd like to be changed.

We all have different niggles.

If I could create sub folders, in the photo app, I could put my photo collection on it, but I can't make them, so I can't put my photo's on them, without them turning into a total mess.

I know it would take such a tiny tiny change to make the whole thing usable for me and my photo's, but I don't think Apple will ever allow this, hence it's frustrating.

It does not make me dislike the whole device, or want a MacBook, I just want this one change to make things usable for me.

In the same way, I wish if you email me a hotlink to a website, then MY web browser starts up and not Safari.

Again, it's not a major thing, and it could be fixed so very very easy, and yet I think Apple won't change this Just to be difficult.

It's not enough to make me dislike the whole product, but also it's yet another tiny niggle.

Just things like this. Little niggles, some larger than others, that are not major changes to the product, and I'm not even asking for Flash to run.

I don't know if Apple will every change the things I mention, as they are know to not allow users to change or choose things, just almost for the sake of it.

Again, I love the iPad, I just wish the little frustrations could be removed.

 

[sapporobaby]

Just to clarify.

I love the iPad. And I'm sure many many other people love it also.

I don't think I'm the only one that is frustrated by such tiny things that could, in our minds, make such a difference.

If the iPad was terrible I'd not have one and I'd not be bothered. But it's not, it's fantastic, it's just the few tiny niggles that I'd like to be changed.

We all have different niggles.

If I could create sub folders, in the photo app, I could put my photo collection on it, but I can't make them, so I can't put my photo's on them, without them turning into a total mess.

I know it would take such a tiny tiny change to make the whole thing usable for me and my photo's, but I don't think Apple will ever allow this, hence it's frustrating.

It does not make me dislike the whole device, or want a MacBook, I just want this one change to make things usable for me.

In the same way, I wish if you email me a hotlink to a website, then MY web browser starts up and not Safari.

Again, it's not a major thing, and it could be fixed so very very easy, and yet I think Apple won't change this Just to be difficult.

It's not enough to make me dislike the whole product, but also it's yet another tiny niggle.

Just things like this. Little niggles, some larger than others, that are not major changes to the product, and I'm not even asking for Flash to run.

I don't know if Apple will every change the things I mention, as they are know to not allow users to change or choose things, just almost for the sake of it.

Again, I love the iPad, I just wish the little frustrations could be removed.

As a photographer I can feel your pain on this subject. I think the photo app is a disaster, however I see what Apple is doing with it. Basically if you want to have some sort of organization you have to go through iTunes and iPhoto or Aperture. I use Aperture. I also downloaded an app called Portfolio that lets me org my photos better. Maybe Apple will wake up and see that the photo app is a complete disaster.

 

[poloponies]

My point is that people are very quick to attribute some malevolence on Apple's part in not including or restricting certain features. They overlook Apple's need to consider its entire product line in making those decisions.

 

[kevink2]

Android 3.0 support?

More seriously, something happening to my current iPad that I can't blame on poor quality by Apple. Drop from height? Loss? Otherwise, it costs enough that I have to skip generations.

 

[Mr Kram]

it would have to be significantly faster
128 GB option
bring back the orientation lock

 

[knucklehead]

QUOTE=sapporobaby;11532474]The iPad as currently marketed by Apple does not fit your definition of the future.Kit? Sounds a bit newbie to me but okay and as for lenses, unless they have a gold ring, they are for the enthusiasts. Kits are generally sold to people new photography but for the sake of argument you have a kit. Anyway, lets move along shall we?[/QUOTE]

Please do. I quit hanging aut on photo forums about a decade ago.


QUOTE=sapporobaby;11532474]I was talking about your future. From all the marketing, press releases, etc... the iPad in its current form plus a few additions here and there is how Apple plans to position it in the future. Why make it into a full on laptop device when the Air is positioned for this. It seems that this is lost on you. I have an iPad and a new 11 MBA and for me they are night and day. When I am traveling for pleasure, I bring only the iPad, but when I go to shoot and need to use Aperture or Lightroom, or something more robust, along comes the Air and the external HD. Surely (don't call me Shirley) you see the difference. The iPad is not meant to be a major production device. It is meant for content consumption. Apple positions it as such, it sells as such.[/QUOTE]

I think pretty much everyone here realizes that the iPad is not a laptop/desktop/supercomputer replacement. No need to belabor the obvious.
The point we have been trying to address is whether or not a backside camera would be a worthwhile addition to the iPad.
You seemed quite adamantly opposed to the idea seemingly on the grounds that any camera would not meet a professional photographers standards for image quality, and that using it would make you look funny. Was that your point, or did I misunderstand you?
My point is that a backside camera could be quite useful for "documentary" type type of snapshots to supplement the note taking abilities that are well within the useful range of production abilities that are currently available on the iPad.
I actually had not have thought a backside camera at all needed on the iPad until recently discovering Evernote, which opened up my eyes to some very interesting ways that the iPad could fit into peoples lives. An integrated camera would be a very useful feature to aid that use. Can you understand that?

Great to have all of these cloud services but for actual usage connectivity while mobile is simply to slow. Try to post a few images to a web based service then try to edit them in Aperture of Lightroom. Never gonna happen until LTE (real LTE) is standard across the globe.

Again, this is above the level of what anyone would reasonably expect from the iPad, and really doesn't have much to do with this thread.

QUOTE=sapporobaby;11534625]As for competition, when has Apple been known to jump on a bandwagon because the competition did something. How many Apple devices have BluRay? The thing is, Apple does EXTENSIVE testing with focus groups to see what the average person within the bell curve wants. Yes, at the fringes people want an iPad with Retina Display, 1TB of storage, quad-core processors, etc... but for the average Joe the iPad is right in the sweet spot. If the iPad is not to your liking you always have the competition to run to.[/QUOTE]

Well, we'll see what they do.
A low-res backside camera really has not much in common with the technologically unrealistic "fringe" examples you listed ... now does it?

Switching is of course always an option for everyone.
I quite like mine, and am looking forward to future improved versions.


Hummmm ... messed up quotes ..
Seems to still get the point across well enough (like a low a low-res camera)

 

[ssdeg7]

I wont buy the iPad 2 probably wait until they release a fourth generation.