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Current iPad owners, what can apple do to make you buy iPad 2?

1- retina screen (tall order, i know)
2- stronger speakers
3- thinner
4- faster cpu (vlc won't play 1920x1080p content... hehehe)
 
Ok, so the 3 things pretty much locked in to be improved in the next iPad are:
- Front facing camera (and possibly rear camera)
- More RAM
- Gyroscope

Is that enough to get me to upgrade? No.

If any of the below improvements were made, however, I would upgrade instantly:
- Significant reduction in weight
- Increase in screen resolution
- Significant increase in battery life
 
I think the iPad 2 will seem a let down for many.

I reckon 1 or 2 camera's, 512MB Ram, possibly a Gyro, a bit of app tweaking and that's it.

Hope I'm wrong.
 
Piggie said:
I think the iPad 2 will seem a let down for many.

I reckon 1 or 2 camera's, 512MB Ram, possibly a Gyro, a bit of app tweaking and that's it.

Hope I'm wrong.
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Which many are you talking about? The 3 or 4 million that absolutely love the iPad and see it for what it is, or the fringe that may or may not include yourself that might have unrealistic expectations for the device? Even if the inclusions are added to the current iPad, they will make it virtually a new device for those that have it, and something even more magical (sarcasm) for those purchasing for the first time. The more you complain about it, the more it seems that a Windows or Android machine is the way to go for you. No matter what Apple does will be enough for you, or it might be that you simply like to complain. The line distinguishing your concerns from valid arguments is becoming less and less tangible.
 
knucklehead said:
QUOTE=sapporobaby;11532474]The iPad as currently marketed by Apple does not fit your definition of the future.Kit? Sounds a bit newbie to me but okay and as for lenses, unless they have a gold ring, they are for the enthusiasts. Kits are generally sold to people new photography but for the sake of argument you have a kit. Anyway, lets move along shall we?
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Please do. I quit hanging aut on photo forums about a decade ago.


sapporobaby said:
I was talking about your future. From all the marketing, press releases, etc... the iPad in its current form plus a few additions here and there is how Apple plans to position it in the future. Why make it into a full on laptop device when the Air is positioned for this. It seems that this is lost on you. I have an iPad and a new 11 MBA and for me they are night and day. When I am traveling for pleasure, I bring only the iPad, but when I go to shoot and need to use Aperture or Lightroom, or something more robust, along comes the Air and the external HD. Surely (don't call me Shirley) you see the difference. The iPad is not meant to be a major production device. It is meant for content consumption. Apple positions it as such, it sells as such.
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I think pretty much everyone here realizes that the iPad is not a laptop/desktop/supercomputer replacement. No need to belabor the obvious.
The point we have been trying to address is whether or not a backside camera would be a worthwhile addition to the iPad.
You seemed quite adamantly opposed to the idea seemingly on the grounds that any camera would not meet a professional photographers standards for image quality, and that using it would make you look funny. Was that your point, or did I misunderstand you?
My point is that a backside camera could be quite useful for "documentary" type type of snapshots to supplement the note taking abilities that are well within the useful range of production abilities that are currently available on the iPad.
I actually had not have thought a backside camera at all needed on the iPad until recently discovering Evernote, which opened up my eyes to some very interesting ways that the iPad could fit into peoples lives. An integrated camera would be a very useful feature to aid that use. Can you understand that?



Again, this is above the level of what anyone would reasonably expect from the iPad, and really doesn't have much to do with this thread.

sapporobaby said:
As for competition, when has Apple been known to jump on a bandwagon because the competition did something. How many Apple devices have BluRay? The thing is, Apple does EXTENSIVE testing with focus groups to see what the average person within the bell curve wants. Yes, at the fringes people want an iPad with Retina Display, 1TB of storage, quad-core processors, etc... but for the average Joe the iPad is right in the sweet spot. If the iPad is not to your liking you always have the competition to run to.
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Well, we'll see what they do.
A low-res backside camera really has not much in common with the technologically unrealistic "fringe" examples you listed ... now does it?

Switching is of course always an option for everyone.
I quite like mine, and am looking forward to future improved versions.:)


Hummmm ... messed up quotes ..
Seems to still get the point across well enough (like a low a low-res camera)[/QUOTE]


Sorry for the delay. Had to sleep. Okay, I will try to answer now, and I may even give your quotes repair a go. :)

After using the Galaxy Tablet for a bit and the back camera as well, even at 7 inches, the handling of the camera is quite awkward and as far as I am concerned to difficult to be useful. Many times companies will throw a ton of hardware at you when they have no hardware to back it up. Nokia is a classic example. They have great hardware but their software is absolute crap, which leads to a crappy user experience. This is not the case with Apple. They have proven time and time again that they can provide a stellar user experience with outstanding hardware and middle of the road hardware. Again, several will find having a back camera useful, many more might not. As you said, time will tell. By the way, I too am an Evernote user and see it as an okay app but for me it is not life altering. But if it work for you, cool.

P.S. I don't hang out much in camera forums but I do visit from time to time to stay abreast of what's new.
 
Piggie said:
I think the iPad 2 will seem a let down for many.

I reckon 1 or 2 camera's, 512MB Ram, possibly a Gyro, a bit of app tweaking and that's it.

Hope I'm wrong.
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That depends who the "many" are. I would guess that most of us here are already iPad owners, after all the title of the thread is "Current iPad owners, what can apple do to make you buy iPad 2?". Let's not forget that iPad 1 was the first really high profile launch of a tablet into the consumer market. Apple is still early on in the process of building the market (consumer tablet devices) and is certainly no where near saturating that market.

Apple clearly goes after many market segments but I suspect that if you looked at their priority list then number one would not be getting existing iPad 1 owners to upgrade, it would be getting brand new users, who had been sitting on the sidelines, to join in the fun with iPad 2.

Some stuff that this group of users might want has been happening since April, namely more iPad versions of apps, quite a few commentators and user's who initially said "this is a pointless device" beginning to revise their views, a slew of competitors coming onto the market and (by my perception) not being able to steal the iPad's crown, and the initial sales of iPad being so strong that those users sitting on the sidelines might well be now thinking "maybe there is something in this, and Apple is clearly doing well with it so this is something that isn't a flash in the pan and has a future".

With all the above market conditioning then I suspect that many of those potential users who sat out the iPad 1 won't need a huge spec revision to get them onboard for iPad 2. My predictions are very similar to Piggie's and are:

At least a front-facing camera because they'll want to get Facetime on it.

At least 512MB of memory because they've already demonstrated with the iPhone 4 that they can integrate 512MB of RAM into the A4 packaging so, at the very least, they could use the iPhone 4 A4 part in the iPad 2 (assuming the thermals are OK for a 1GHz clock and I'd be pretty sure that they are).

I do think that there will be a gyro. There are a lot of games on the iPad and Apple are already bulk-buying gyros for the iPhone so it would add very little to the bill of materials (so it isn't detrimental to Apple's attempts to promote the iPad in business) and it would improve the gaming experience.

Where I go beyond Piggie's predictions are:

I do think that the CPU will be revised to be based on the Cortex-A9 core. Even with the original A4 launch there was some disappointment that Apple had based the CPU on the Cortex-A8 rather than the Cortex-A9 so, over a year later (don't forget that iPad 1 was announced in January and I predict iPad 2 announcement in March next year), I don't think that Apple could get away with another Cortex-A8 based design, it would make them look too far behind the technology curve.

I do believe that they will do something to make it thinner and lighter, probably by some case redesign and a slight reduction in battery size enabled by a more power efficient CPU/GPU and a next generation screen with the same screen size and resolution but a lot of work done on increasing power efficiency.

- Julian
 
sapporobaby said:
Sorry for the delay. Had to sleep. Okay, I will try to answer now, and I may even give your quotes repair a go. :)

After using the Galaxy Tablet for a bit and the back camera as well, even at 7 inches, the handling of the camera is quite awkward and as far as I am concerned to difficult to be useful. Many times companies will throw a ton of hardware at you when they have no hardware to back it up. Nokia is a classic example. They have great hardware but their software is absolute crap, which leads to a crappy user experience. This is not the case with Apple. They have proven time and time again that they can provide a stellar user experience with outstanding hardware and middle of the road hardware. Again, several will find having a back camera useful, many more might not. As you said, time will tell. By the way, I too am an Evernote user and see it as an okay app but for me it is not life altering. But if it work for you, cool.

P.S. I don't hang out much in camera forums but I do visit from time to time to stay abreast of what's new.
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Thanks for the fix! It was sleep time for me too.

To the subject of this thread -

I have been planning all along on skipping iPad 2, and holding out for 3.
We'll probably see the fairly minor memory/processor performance improvements in 2 that others have talked about. While that would be welcome, I'm really not that frustrated with the current iPad's performance to make an incremental upgrade worthwhile on that basis.

The current display seems pretty impressive to me, and don't expect to see the significant increase in resolution that might be tempting coming up in the next version.

Thinner, lighter .... ehhh

Battery seems great to me. More is better of course, but I don't see where it would change enough to really matter.

I guess that facetime is a given on iPad 2. I haven't bothered to use facetime yet despite having installed on my laptop when it came out. In most cases, I just don't see where looking at someone's video image adds that much over simply talking on the phone. After coming across this thread and starting to think about the backside camera issue, I realized that the backside camera is what would actually make facetime tremendously useful to me - Being able to remotely show a client what I'm working on would be a huge aid in problem solving.
The iPad is a handheld mobile device - albeit a large and somewhat awkward one - and can work differently with facetime than a laptop or desktop can.

Sooo - Hadn't really thought it till now, but the backside camera looks like it might be the one key improvement that might significantly sway me to getting the iPad 2 - Both as a convenient aid visual note taking, and making facetime genuinely useful.


Tempt me Apple
 
I believe I will be getting an ipad for christmas. That being said, it would be easier for me to get iPad 2, since I didn't have to buy the 1st one. I have used the current one a couple times, and the only things that would make me buy the next one is a decrease in price, and more storage? I didn't have any complaints with the screen. I can hardly wait to see if I get iPad.
 
knucklehead said:
Thanks for the fix! It was sleep time for me too.

To the subject of this thread -

I have been planning all along on skipping iPad 2, and holding out for 3.
We'll probably see the fairly minor memory/processor performance improvements in 2 that others have talked about. While that would be welcome, I'm really not that frustrated with the current iPad's performance to make an incremental upgrade worthwhile on that basis.

The current display seems pretty impressive to me, and don't expect to see the significant increase in resolution that might be tempting coming up in the next version.

Thinner, lighter .... ehhh

Battery seems great to me. More is better of course, but I don't see where it would change enough to really matter.

I guess that facetime is a given on iPad 2. I haven't bothered to use facetime yet despite having installed on my laptop when it came out. In most cases, I just don't see where looking at someone's video image adds that much over simply talking on the phone. After coming across this thread and starting to think about the backside camera issue, I realized that the backside camera is what would actually make facetime tremendously useful to me - Being able to remotely show a client what I'm working on would be a huge aid in problem solving.
The iPad is a handheld mobile device - albeit a large and somewhat awkward one - and can work differently with facetime than a laptop or desktop can.

Sooo - Hadn't really thought it till now, but the backside camera looks like it might be the one key improvement that might significantly sway me to getting the iPad 2 - Both as a convenient aid visual note taking, and making facetime genuinely useful.


Tempt me Apple
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No worries on the fix. A bracket here, a bracket there and she's-a fixed.

Anyway, I can't disagree with anything you said, in fact I have given Evernote another look on both my iPhone and iPad. Being that you feel very strongly about this app, why not give it another try. I was using it when it first came out and was not overly impressed but as time marches on I am sure it has had significant upgrades and features add, so thanks for the tip. Still not convinced about the second cammy but then again, I will not know until it ships on an iPad.

Now for the good stuff, what kind of kit (yes, I know) do you have. I just picked up the Nikon 70-200mm, f2.8. I think I have darn night vision when shooting it on the D3s. I went out in almost total darkness to shoot. Pumped the ISO to about 1250, and was not missing a beat. :)
 
sapporobaby said:
No worries on the fix. A bracket here, a bracket there and she's-a fixed.

Anyway, I can't disagree with anything you said, in fact I have given Evernote another look on both my iPhone and iPad. Being that you feel very strongly about this app, why not give it another try. I was using it when it first came out and was not overly impressed but as time marches on I am sure it has had significant upgrades and features add, so thanks for the tip. Still not convinced about the second cammy but then again, I will not know until it ships on an iPad.

Now for the good stuff, what kind of kit (yes, I know) do you have. I just picked up the Nikon 70-200mm, f2.8. I think I have darn night vision when shooting it on the D3s. I went out in almost total darkness to shoot. Pumped the ISO to about 1250, and was not missing a beat. :)
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You might , or might not still like Evernote. I'm relatively new to it, and haven't really hit a snag with it other than a lingering privacy/security concern. I just won't use it for sensitive data - more a massive, growing, organized, searchable life scrapbook.

Cameras - I'm a Canon guy (Nikons aren't bad either;)) It's all been gathering dust for a while, and currently sitting in a Lowepro pack about 2000 miles from me. I was mainly into shooting wildlife, and the surf/watersports I was doing. Pretty much kept going after longer lenses. I started to crumple on the expense when I got up to the 400mm IS white things. ---- Need to get back to it when I get a chance.
 
knucklehead said:
You might , or might not still like Evernote. I'm relatively new to it, and haven't really hit a snag with it other than a lingering privacy/security concern. I just won't use it for sensitive data - more a massive, growing, organized, searchable life scrapbook.

Cameras - I'm a Canon guy (Nikons aren't bad either;)) It's all been gathering dust for a while, and currently sitting in a Lowepro pack about 2000 miles from me. I was mainly into shooting wildlife, and the surf/watersports I was doing. Pretty much kept going after longer lenses. I started to crumple on the expense when I got up to the 400mm IS white things. ---- Need to get back to it when I get a chance.
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Yeah. I am a bit hesitant to put personal stuff out on the net as well, but I am giving it a go.

Consider this a virtual kick in the butt to get out there and start shooting. :)
 
I don't know. I think the current iPad will last until the third or fourth is released. That is my honest opinion.
 
I'm hoping for...:D
Camera
FaceTime
USB
SD cardslot
More Ram
Thinner/Lighter
May as well throw in lower price, but would buy new model at current price anyway.
 
Nothing.

No, really.

I don't spend £420 on anything that only lasts me a year. My iPad is perfect for what I use it for in it's current guise and I never pick it up and think "hey, I wish I could do blah blah".

Until Apple stop supporting it or there comes a point where it doesn't run the latest software or apps, I'm happy with my first gen. Cameras and higher res screens are nice additions don't get me wrong but I'm happy with my original and will be for a couple of years yet. My iPhone 3G is still going strong and I think the iPad is potentially a longer burner than the iPhone.
 
knucklehead said:
Thanks for the fix! It was sleep time for me too.

To the subject of this thread -

I have been planning all along on skipping iPad 2, and holding out for 3.
We'll probably see the fairly minor memory/processor performance improvements in 2 that others have talked about. While that would be welcome, I'm really not that frustrated with the current iPad's performance to make an incremental upgrade worthwhile on that basis.
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Seconded - I probably will skip the next Gen unless it is given to me (e.g. by my emplyer etc.) as I will be stepping on board the iPhone train at sometime once I move to Europe next week (the cost of the data plans in NZ have killed the iPhone as a tool for me) and it can Facetime whilst the current iPad still waits for a native Skype app. Considering that Skype announced that they would release an iPad app inApril and yet 8 months later we have nothing, I don't think that the next iPad will get Skype in a timeley manner, makeing the rush to upgrade superfluous.
 
USB would be number 1 by a long way.

At the minute it fails in the academic/business world for anyone wanting to take it to meetings/conferences where they're presenting and need to be able to edit presentations and put them onto a USB stick.
 
I never find the 'next generation' offers a significant leap in features from the Apple device I currently own. It's clever marketing sense, and current-gen owners are often blinded to the fact that there is little benefit to them, other than literally owning the latest thing. So far, I'd say the biggest leap in the technology of the iPhone has been from the 3GS to the 4 - a significant CPU, RAM and screen bump. I think it would be folly to expect this sort of leap in the iPhone 5, or iPad 2. They were necessary jumps to keep the iPhone ahead of the pack, but the iPad still rules the tablet market without question.

I say expect more RAM, better CPU, better battery, gyro, camera... and that's about it. Perhaps thinner at a push. Higher screen res? More than unlikely. That will be saved for another year when the likes of the Playbook and co are gaining attention.

It will still be marketed as the thing YOU MUST OWN, AT ALL COSTS, and bear a few software tricks current gen iPads will be left desiring. But really? At some point in the next year there will be serious competition as the market grows to explosion point, and I have every faith that the 3rd gen iPad will make this one look prehistoric in the way the iPhone 4 did to the 3GS.
 
if they just let me know the release date of the ipad 2, consider myself buying one.

instead. i'm probably buying one for x-mas and then hopefully return it for a store credit and pick up the new one a month or so later. maybe that plan can work out.
 
Nothing. I have everything I need right now. Apple is pretty much only adding toys to this next revision. I can keep just about anything I want on my current iPad so I think I'm good to go for a while.
 
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