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I don't know why some are blaming Apple for this issue, or why they think Apple wants to control the payment system. If the banks did not jump on board, Apple pay would fail, not the other way around. The banks run this country not Apple. They decide if you get a loan. They decide if you get credit. If they tell the merchants they better get NFC or their line of credit will be cut, guess what, the merchants will comply, even the big chains. The banks will flex their muscle, if and when they need to flex their muscle. If the banks demand NFC, the merchants will comply or suffer. The banks do not work for the consumer. The banks do not work for the merchants. The banks work for themselves and control of everything.
 
I guess it's better to kill it now before the Apple/Android users get to used to it now the alienate only a few, they'll alienate many more in 12 months.
 
Apparently this trend of disabling NFC features by MCX retailers has been going on for a while. I am sure it just got accelerated and more visible now that we have Apple Pay which seems to be gaining more acceptance than Google Wallet. It is a panic reaction. It is backwards. I would encourage you to write to CVS and let them know what you think. They cannot afford to lose so many potential customers to Walgreens over a payment method.
 
This has the makings of a good old fashioned format war: Betamax v. VHS, Bluray v. HDDVD. The interesting thing here is that Apple and Google are on the same side... the whole "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing.

Also interesting is that MCX depends on iOS and Android apps.

Personally, I barely trust Apple w/ my CC info. No way am I loading in my CC# into an MCX app.

Ultimately, this might end in a stalemate and chipped cards win out over virtual ones.

You don't trust Apple with your cc info because?
 
Sad. You really don't get much of a choice between CVS or Walgreens (it's mainly decided via location. Walgreens is more of a Midwest/east coast thing, while CVS is more West coast/South). A large chunk of the population won't have a choice to switch due to this.

I live on the west coast and we have Wal-Greens on every corner.
 
SEE, that's the problem ... they can't move on because their iPhone IS their life.

This comment shows that you haven't spent a single second trying to comprehend the viewpoint of anyone that disagrees with the decisions made by CVS, Rite-Aid, and any retailer that is disabling NFC to prevent the usage of Apple Pay.

Instead... you just insult them. Nice.
 
So this is a competition thing now. Completely excluding a form of payment because they want to use their own system.

Doesn't apple do the same thing?
Bose for Beats for instance.
Can't use lawsuits as a reason since the still use Samsung as a supplier
 
I've worked in the credit card industry for over 16 years. Comments like this are full of misunderstanding.

Europe moved to chip-enabled cards because of telephone system costs. It was prohibitively expensive to "dial in" for every transaction. They needed a secure system that could work without the need to verify every transaction with the issuing bank. Thus the chip system was born.

In the U.S., where telephone costs were low (still are), the expense of a chip-enabled card system failed the cost-benefit analysis (still does).

Despite many folks' love affair with the notion, this has nothing to do with the U.S. being behind Europe. In fact, from one point of view, it has everything to do with the U.S. being far ahead in terms of infrastructure and low costs.

You know this is just embarrassing.

When I last travelled to the UK with my American credit card, shop staff looked at me like I was a refugee from the third world with my plastic card with some VHS tape glued to the back.

In most of Europe and indeed 84 or so countries around the world, they've moved to chip and PIN credit cards. They are nowhere near so vulnerable as our antiquated technology, so they don't have fiascos like Target and similar.

In fact many countries have had this for over a decade.

Even though some of our credit cards are getting chips in them, they are still not the same as chip and PIN. And still not compatible with the standards used abroad.

We should be leading the world with this stuff, and instead we are deliberately choosing to be left behind.

What's worse, with this amazing new technology that Apple has provided, retailers like CVS and RiteAid are actually making a disgusting conscious decision to disable Apple Pay even though they are perfectly capable of accepting it. Just for reasons of greed, and nothing to do with customer service or choice.

Apple Pay is a way for us in America to start to catch up with the rest of the world, and yet American corporations are finding ways to kill it as best they can.

Despicable and embarrassing anti-consumer behavior.

I for one will be boycotting any corporation that chooses to deliberately stand in the way of progress.
 
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I think they're objecting to anonymous payment, and the opportunity cost it imposes. MCX is an advertising/tracking platform masquerading as a payment platform. ApplePay is a threat to their plans.

The ONLY upside to MCX is that maybe you would no longer get the four feet of paper coupons along with your receipt at CVS (and others).
 
Seriously are people really gonna stop shopping there becuz they stopped accepting apple pay?
Yes. There are plenty of places to shop, but we don't have to support a company that's being willfully stupid. Alienating millions of potential customers for no other reason than "we want to try a payment system ourselves" seems a bit silly. They're not just disabling Apple Pay, but NFC in general ... which includes customers other than just Apple (like the article said, Google Wallet is one of them). It's one giant idiotic move on their part. It probably won't hurt them at all, I just think it's a very weird decision from a business standpoint.
 
Seriously are people really gonna stop shopping there becuz they stopped accepting apple pay? just use another form of payment.. something that we've been doing for decades. Sheesh.. no need to get ur panties in a bunch.

If people don't vote with their dollars, then consumers may as well roll over and abide by the rules set by big corporations. "The customer is always right", a little fact in business many have forgotten. It may seem trivial and trifling, but those all add up, and if we are passive then our actions state "we don't care, do what you want".

It's bad enough our Supreme Court ruled that corporations have the same rights as private citizens, tossing campaign reform out the window. Starting with the little things up to campaign reform and lobbyists, we need to start telling businesses to stick it if they continue doing what's best for themselves at the expense of us.
 
It's their business they can do whatever they want. It's like I open a store selling products and I don't want to accept Amex but you come in with your Amex demanding service. WTF. GTFO!

And thats fine. I don't see the problem at all. You don't have to take my money and I don't have to shop at your store.

Though on this discussion, it seems like people are getting worked up over Apple users saying they'll boycott certain stores that don't welcome their preferred payment method and trying to make it seem like Apple Pay users are somehow immature or wrong in getting upset some stores aren't going to be welcoming them.

It's our right as customers to complain if we feel we aren't being treated well and we aren't wrong for doing so.
 
This comment shows that you haven't spent a single second trying to comprehend the viewpoint of anyone that disagrees with the decisions made by CVS, Rite-Aid, and any retailer that is disabling NFC to prevent the usage of Apple Pay.

Instead... you just insult them. Nice.

They're trolling. This is a 26 page (and growing) troll-fest. They don't care about security, efficiency at the cashier, or consumer choice. They only seek to troll.
 
Not to flame war anything I get you here. This entire debacle about blocking Apple pay is not right. But they didn't break the law. It's their business. They do what they want even if it doesn't benefit consumers shopping at their stores. No point in complaining in a thread on macrumors gets you no where I'm not saying you are doing that just others are.

It's all alien to everyone at the moment once it gets popular people asking for it via comment cards or talking to their CS departments perhaps it will go mainstream. For now it's just growing pains

Exactly, it is their business. And it is my business to after look myself and my interests. As for complaining, why do you care? Seriously...... People are tired of being tied into systems that rob them of their privacy and forced them to give up control of security of their information. That is what CVS is doing. That is Walmart doing .... and Target.... And if coming onto Macrumors and taking a stand is what needs to be done.... complain away...

You and Moto don't have read these threads... you can ignore them....
 
Trouble is definitely brewing. Does MCX own those terminals? If so, it's likely that these stores don't have a choice other than install new terminals in all their stores. That is a lot of $. This isn't even just about ApplePay as Google Wallet is affected too.

I would find it very very fascinating is Apple & Google worked together to get this business squashed. Imagine being the target of an Apple & Google temporary truce. Long shot but boy would that be amusing!

I work 2 days a month at Best Buy (I love the discount). They replaced all the barcode scanners with ones that will scan QR codes presented on peoples phone...

MCX does not own any terminals, but my understanding is they don't let any of the retailers accept other "mobile wallets".

I consider Apple Pay a bit different than a mobile wallet. Although I never used it, my understanding is that Google Wallet allows you to LOAD money onto it. Apple Pay simply allows you to use your same payment credit card, without actually presenting the card.

I hope Apple removed CurrentC from the app store, and does not approve it, unless CurrentC removes the pressure on retailers from accepting other NFC payments.

One other thing-- CurrentC will NOT allow Visa, MasterCard, Discover, or American Express payments. It only will link with a store card or checking account. I get between 2 and 5 percent cash back on my credit cards. I am not going to link CurrentC to my checking account. I don't let anyone draft my checking account... I don't trust CurrentC. Why would I trust retailers that keep losing my data with my checking account information?
 
Sad. You really don't get much of a choice between CVS or Walgreens (it's mainly decided via location. Walgreens is more of a Midwest/east coast thing, while CVS is more West coast/South). A large chunk of the population won't have a choice to switch due to this.

You have never been to North Carolina..... at least in the Triangle area.... though I see this on the coast. On one corner .. CVS .... across the street on the other corner ... Walgreens and maybe on another corner ... Rite Aid .... though the Rite Aid lost out and there is a Dollar Tree store now..
 
Yep, that's what happened for years to Google Wallet, too, because of carriers wanting to push their own system.

Likewise, what are the odds of Apple allowing Google Wallet to use the NFC on an iPhone 6? Right. Zero, because Apple wants to push their own app so that they make money from it.

Greed has taken over common sense and respect for customer choice.

In an ideal world, we should be able to set ANY wallet as our default. The decision should be ours, not the merchant nor the manufacturer of our phone.

Why would someone who owns an iPhone 6 need to use Google Wallet?
 
Exactly, it is their business. And it is my business to after look myself and my interests. As for complaining, why do you care? Seriously...... People are tired of being tied into systems that rob them of their privacy and forced them to give up control of security of their information. That is what CVS is doing. That is Walmart doing .... and Target.... And if coming onto Macrumors and taking a stand is what needs to be done.... complain away...

You and Moto don't have read these threads... you can ignore them....
I think they can't. I don't know why, but they can't ignore them.
 
Dear CVS,
I'll have your Bankruptcy papers at the ready...


LOL - I hope this is satire. If not, very very sad.

I don't use the Starbucks App because I don't drink coffee. But isn't the Starbucks App different in that you can only pay with if you loaded funds onto your Starbucks card?

I was responding to this comment "No one wants the inconvenience of downloading an app, loading your payment info, and then going through the steps at the cash register, all the while knowing that your payment habits are being mined by companies."

Starbucks is exactly that and extremely popular.
 
My Obamacare mandated pharmacy, CVS, is willing to throw all NFC users under the bus immediately, in hopes some day a year or so in the future, a vacuous, vaporware product may be available.

There is no discussion about how inconvenient it will be as compared to Apple Pay which works right now everywhere, with only your cell, and no physical card specific to each and every retailer, the very point of NFC.

I can't switch pharmacies due to the company policies of the carrier I am mandated to use by the Feds.

Rocketman

Wow. Good job bringing your politics into this thread. I hope that gave you some meaning in life. :rolleyes:
 
I'm guessing the banks are passing on the apple pay fees that Apple is charging to use apple pay to retailers maybe?

As I understand it, if it cost the shop $1 to do a transaction last week, it still costs $1 to do it this week. The only thing thats changed is how that dollar is divided up further down the line, which shouldn't really matter to the retailer.
 
Seriously are people really gonna stop shopping there becuz they stopped accepting apple pay? just use another form of payment.. something that we've been doing for decades. Sheesh.. no need to get ur panties in a bunch.

That "other form of payment we've been doing for decades" is extremely insecure. Maybe you missed Target getting 40 million credit cards stolen last November and losing over a billion dollars? Or Home Depot getting millions of cards stolen last month?

Now we have new technology that is much more secure, and these retailers were accepting fine until today when they put their lust for consumer data over their customer's security.
 
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