Dave Lee’s MacBook Pro review is telling

[th0masp]

Another one of the problems is Apple has now removed the retrieval port on the logic board, nor is it unusual to have data restrictions built into contracts that prohibit any sensitive data being passes to 3rd parties. One of the reasons why the MBP is not suitable for my professional needs and likely others.

Same here and - I take all drives out of a machine if it has to go to the shop for a repair and would not want it any other way. With the old MBP all it took was a screwdriver.
I always expected Apple to move to NVMe when that became standard (and give us drive bay access back). Now instead they have come up with this custom soldered SSD stupidity. Like a middle finger to the customer.

I have never had any of these problems. I admit that I am using N-Trig tech in my SP2017, but literally zero driver problems with the whole thing--including the pen.

The post I was replying to mentioned creatives so I assumed Wacom pen tablets - these have been problematic under Windows ever since that pen&tablet support functionality was added to it. I have no experience at all with other pens, they may well work fine but if you're using pen input in a creative field then it'll most likely be a Wacom.

 

[Queen6]

Same here and - I take all drives out of a machine if it has to go to the shop for a repair and would not want it any other way. With the old MBP all it took was a screwdriver.
I always expected Apple to move to NVMe when that became standard (and give us drive bay access back). Now instead they have come up with this custom soldered SSD stupidity. Like a middle finger to the customer.

As stated; Frankly I find Apple's actions to be mostly hostile towards the customer. Apple has removed all possible upgrades paths to serve themselves, forcing inhouse upgrades with excessive margin, they look to block any 3rd party avenue for repair so that Apple and Apple alone controls the environment, offering only expensive modular repairs, effectively a monopoly.

It's as simple as that...

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[Mendota]

Lol

Digital pen more important than Labels? There are companies, millions of employees worldwide, you take Labels away from them their business dies. Across every department it keeps their projects in sync if they are creatives, developers, editors or even office docs. They would roll over within one week. Employees would go mad trying to understand the status of shares folders and files. Within a few months they would be a dead business, that’s how vital Labels has become over 30 years.

Digitalizer Pen are aplenty on the Mac in case you hadn’t noticed. Apple had a pen product in the late 70s. Pen support came to Macs when PCs were still using FOS. Ink was on macOS since years ago. The Apple Pencil is a technology marvel with massive potential.

FFS I can’t believe I have to answer such an ignorant post. Lol.

Microsoft was the first to add support for tablet computing with pen support. It has been built in since XP. They were held back by their OEM's who could not get with the program, so they did it themselves to lead the way. Apple actually has few things that they actually created, to include their operating system, and most of their software. They copied or acquired from others.

The Apple pencil is quite limited as it only works with iPad, and it can't hold the light for Wacom. And as for labels I have already pointed out a very worth while alternative for Windows.

I have no words for someone as far gone as you are. If you actually believe that "labels" matter to the degree you claim they do, you are suffering from a delusion. I enjoy real debate with actual facts, not made up fanboy fantasies. I also enjoy intelligent discussion about the pros and cons of various systems. It would seem that that kind of discussion is beyond your capabilities. My troll detector has come on full alert, as a result I will no longer engage with you in this thread.
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True that, especially Wacom support. Loads of complaints out there too about how the Windows builtin pen software interferes with Wacom's driver and produces all sorts of quirks when you use it in applications.
I had my fill of that in W7 already and it took quite a bit of registry hacking and preferences to tame the behavior and keep it that way across OS updates (I've now set on a very old version that works for that purpose but I'd be crazy to hook that up to the net). I shudder to think about W10 and its enforced updates in this context.

I can live with Windows if it's strictly for running a set of work-related applications in a fixed configuration and with very restricted network access but I could never accept it again as a general purpose OS the way I use macOS - OS updates, web-access, installing and deinstalling applications all the time and all that.

I don't have any issues and I use Wacom with five pens on my main desktop system. You are free to disable Microsoft Ink if you like. It is in the settings. Wacom sometimes has issues with their drivers, but they are pretty good at fixing the issues in a timely manner.
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Lol... labels? Never have seen anyone who uses them. I guess Apple could silently remove them, most users wouldn't even notice

Well SoyCapitan would notice because his whole world view would come crashing down Matrix style.

 

[LeeW]

Found one!

One of my colleagues says his mother uses labels for her recipes on an old MacBook Air to find them easier.

It's true then, they are used.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Same here and - I take all drives out of a machine if it has to go to the shop for a repair and would not want it any other way. With the old MBP all it took was a screwdriver.
I always expected Apple to move to NVMe when that became standard (and give us drive bay access back). Now instead they have come up with this custom soldered SSD stupidity. Like a middle finger to the customer.



The post I was replying to mentioned creatives so I assumed Wacom pen tablets - these have been problematic under Windows ever since that pen&tablet support functionality was added to it. I have no experience at all with other pens, they may well work fine but if you're using pen input in a creative field then it'll most likely be a Wacom.

Ah, well just to let you know that I know what Wacom tech is. I do agree that the OG Wacoms using EMR were superior. Now Wacom is only slightly better than NTrig. EIther way, I am a creative, and I use NTrig. So....

Either way, I never had driver issues with Wacom back in the day either. Of course I was using the external USB tablets not something like a surface equivalent (I forget what Wacom calls their tablet PC...)

 

[pshufd]

Microsoft was the first to add support for tablet computing with pen support. It has been built in since XP. They were held back by their OEM's who could not get with the program, so they did it themselves to lead the way. Apple actually has few things that they actually created, to include their operating system, and most of their software. They copied or acquired from others.

The Apple pencil is quite limited as it only works with iPad, and it can't hold the light for Wacom. And as for labels I have already pointed out a very worth while alternative for Windows.

I have no words for someone as far gone as you are. If you actually believe that "labels" matter to the degree you claim they do, you are suffering from a delusion. I enjoy real debate with actual facts, not made up fanboy fantasies. I also enjoy intelligent discussion about the pros and cons of various systems. It would seem that that kind of discussion is beyond your capabilities. My troll detector has come on full alert, as a result I will no longer engage with you in this thread.
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I don't have any issues and I use Wacom with five pens on my main desktop system. You are free to disable Microsoft Ink if you like. It is in the settings. Wacom sometimes has issues with their drivers, but they are pretty good at fixing the issues in a timely manner.
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Well SoyCapitan would notice because his whole world view would come crashing down Matrix style.

I've never used labels in finder. I wouldn't know about them without this discussion.

I have no plans to use them in the future.

I structure files into directories.

 

[LeeW]

Just to be clear so I know we are all on the same page, it is the tags/labels in the image?

 

[m00min]

Just to be clear so I know we are all on the same page, it is the tags/labels in the image?

This was my assumption.

 

[LeeW]

And companies will crumble without them according to @SoyCapitanSoyCapitan

Must be trolling, right?

 

[pshufd]

I just saw a video of the new RTX laptop demos. These laptops are tuned for creative professionals and get 5-7 driver updates a year from nVidia for major software packages. They also showed rendering on the MBP and on a laptop with the Quadro 5000s and the Apple could not keep up. It would push out a buffer, pause, push out another one. It's not a fair contest at all as it's GPU vs CPU. At the moment, there is much better stuff available for creatives on Windows in terms of performance and tuning.

I understand that creatives have a really tough choice to make. But some may actually choose the laptops for creative professionals, even without the vaunted macOS label colors.

 

[Queen6]

Another, although I'm aware and always have been that one can "label" files in Finder I've never used the feature beyond taking a look. Similar to others I opt for good hierarchal structure and naming conventions, as this allows for easier transfer of data to clients or retrieval etc.

TBH to rely on something so simplistic would be impossible to manage over the course of a project, and I'm a little bemused why people would prioritise something so highly or get so worked up over it. No doubt if it's such a Killer feature to some industries there will be an alternative to finder offered for Windows.

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[09872738]

They also showed rendering on the MBP and on a laptop with the Quadro 5000s and the Apple could not keep up. It would push out a buffer, pause, push out another one. It's not a fair contest at all as it's GPU vs CPU.

Indeed, the demos were pretty sweet. That said, Nvidia did not reveal which GPU they were comparing it with; they only referred to the Mac as "Macbook Pro". Please correct me if I'm wrong here, admittedly I did not see the whole presentation.
So while I have little doubt that the mobile RTXs are going smoke the Vegas/Macbooks, one has to take the results as demoed with a grain of salt, 7x seems a bit too optimistic.

I guess the first hands-on reviews will pop up soon...

 

[pshufd]

Indeed, the demo was pretty nice. That said, they did not reveal which GPU they were comparing it with; they only referred to the Mac as "Macbook Pro". Please correct me if I'm wrong here, admittedly I did not see the whole presentation.
So while I have little doubt that the mobile RTXs are going smoke the Vegas/Macbooks, one has to take the results as demoed with a grain of salt, 7x seems a bit too optimistic.

I guess the first hands-on reviews will pop up soon...

I am not that kind of creative and don't know the tools but the demo that I saw was impressive in what could be done with shading and light. But that there's a class of laptops dedicated to these people is remarkable. This is like the laptops geared for gamers. Developers are kind of lumped in with general users. I could get a gaming machine but the GPU would be overkill. I think that the GPUs for these creative machines are overkill too but I do like that this class of machine provides for a lot of RAM and Storage and you can often find one with a GPU that is just good enough to run a couple of 4K monitors.

Overall, though, I like that there are more choices today.

 

[richinaus]

I am not that kind of creative and don't know the tools but the demo that I saw was impressive in what could be done with shading and light. But that there's a class of laptops dedicated to these people is remarkable. This is like the laptops geared for gamers. Developers are kind of lumped in with general users. I could get a gaming machine but the GPU would be overkill. I think that the GPUs for these creative machines are overkill too but I do like that this class of machine provides for a lot of RAM and Storage and you can often find one with a GPU that is just good enough to run a couple of 4K monitors.

They are certainly not overkill. Gaming engines, VR and rendering all leverage the gpu to a massive extent. I can max out 100% gpu instantly on the apps I use. So yes these Nvidia creator laptops are awesome all except for one thing - they are all butt ugly.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Microsoft was the first to add support for tablet computing with pen support.

Actually it was Apple in the late 70s. They even had a tablet product.

It's irrelevant anyway because third party tablet makers like Wacom dominate the space since the 90s and release product for both platforms. If you are using tablet or onscreen digitizer then it is likely a Wacom technology almost every time.

So your post was crap. Nobody could effectively retort what I said about how much financial loss would be made if a company dependent on the Mac's features moved to Windows. It would be economic suicide. I say again, go to a large company like that. Tell them to abandon Quick Look, Labels, etc

They will think you crazy and kick you straight out the door. Forever. And ever. And your reputation will be in the toilet.

 

[m00min]

Actually it was Apple in the late 70s. They even had a tablet product.

It's irrelevant anyway because third party tablet makers like Wacom dominate the space since the 90s and release product for both platforms. If you are using tablet or onscreen digitizer then it is likely a Wacom technology almost every time.

So your post was crap. Nobody could effectively retort what I said about how much financial loss would be made if a company dependent on the Mac's features moved to Windows. It would be economic suicide. I say again, go to a large company like that. Tell them to abandon Quick Look, Labels, etc

They will think you crazy and kick you straight out the door. Forever. And ever. And your reputation will be in the toilet.

Labels.

LOL

 

[c0ppo]

I say again, go to a large company like that. Tell them to abandon Quick Look, Labels, etc

I've already asked... Name one of those large companies so dependant on labels. Thanks.

 

[doitdada]

I think labels are for boy scouts running a media company in grandmas basement.

To be honest I think the MacBook and iMac series are just becoming bigger iPhones with keyboard and mouse/trackpad. A computer for receptionists, homemakers and students. The whole professional angle is for such a small group of earners that is not really worth the discussion.

A Windows 10 desktop is the best computer out there. The iPhone is still the best phone, but Android is starting to look better with Pixel 3a. Still an Apple user, but will probably switch when my iPhone X and MBP 15 2018 becomes obsolete. Lenovo and Pixel seems to be heading in the right direction.

Releasing a new iteration of MacBook Pros with a replacement program makes me think different...indeed.

 

[maflynn]

I say again, go to a large company like that. Tell them to abandon Quick Look, Labels, etc

I actually work for a large company, and we don't use on labels. We have a mixture of PCs and Macs, and its safe to say that no one uses labels as a means to collaborate.

So you've been making statements of truths that large companies use labels. Please cite your source material to back up your claim, or provide evidence that large companies rely on labels as you have continually postulated.
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[maflynn]

I just saw a video of the new RTX laptop demos. These laptops are tuned for creative professionals and get 5-7 driver updates a year from nVidia for major software packages. They also showed rendering on the MBP and on a laptop with the Quadro 5000s and the Apple could not keep up. It would push out a buffer, pause, push out another one. It's not a fair contest at all as it's GPU vs CPU. At the moment, there is much better stuff available for creatives on Windows in terms of performance and tuning.

I understand that creatives have a really tough choice to make. But some may actually choose the laptops for creative professionals, even without the vaunted macOS label colors.

It looks like under the guidence of Nvidia, PC makers sense weakness in the Mac line up and are looking to take advantage.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

If you're using a laptop for video or CG you have to adjust settings accordingly. Video timelines should use proxy footage and reduced resolution viewports. CG rendering should be limited to short preview frames or offloaded to an external graphics card as recommended on the MacBook Pro product page.

It has always been like this and it will always be like this. Arguing against it is like head butting a wall for no reason.

If you want to move to a PC laptop you're not changing anything. You still have to contend with physics and you'll have an OS that slows you down more than any throttling could in the long term. Try to work without Quick Look, Labels, Tags, native HDR support, easy color profile management and native support for just about every display imaginable. macOS does these things, Windows doesn't or requires constant vigilance.

The new nVidia chips can render 6k video. The 2019 MBP can't.

 

[Queen6]

Labels.

LOL

I know it's fast becoming an MR meme

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It looks like under the guidence of Nvidia, PC makers sense weakness in the Mac line up and are looking to take advantage.

You Think Apple's been pissing on us from a great height for years now. If you need performance, you need performance and the Mac today is absolutely the wrong platform Even Linux is looking more attractive...

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[doitdada]

 

[Queen6]

Only if you use crayons

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[SDColorado]

Found one!

One of my colleagues says his mother uses labels for her recipes on an old MacBook Air to find them easier.

It's true then, they are used.

I like to use labels to label the breakers in my breaker box. As far as finder labels, it ranks right up there with organizing my socks and skivvies by color and type