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David Pogue: New iMacs and Mac Pros Coming 'Probably in 2013' [Update]
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In a professional corporation do you really think a hackintosh is a feasible option?
Hmmm, usb3 support in laptops are inside intel's chipset, so the drivers don't work with 3rd party cards? Or does intel make discreet usb3 chips?
How about: hp's usb ports are 20x faster than MP's?
If you think about professional use of tb, what comes in mind?
DAS for fast storage?
Video i/o like decklink or AJA?
If MP had tb, you could use same hardware in the field and at the workstation.
Now you need to buy separate stuff.
How do you edit video ingested to tb-DAS in the field with MP?
Copy it to another DAS through fw, esata or ethernet?
Is there any DAS that has tb AND fw or esata?
How state-of-the art is that speed?
Help me with my english. Does this mean later than today next year?
Meaning over 12 months for "the real update" since 2008?
"Fairly large" meaning Apple can fit it to Air but not in MP? ;D
Sadly this is what will happen.
Frankly I don't care how good the next machine is, this update is so bad that I can see many people just up and leaving Apple completely. It isn't just the Mac Pro fiasco that is the problem but rather the total lack of desktop updates that is just offensive. The Pro just stands out as a symbol of Apples disregard for the desktop user.
Let's ignore the Pro for a moment. The iMac was not updated this means a bunch of users will have to forego the new technologies Ivy Bridge would have brought such as USB 3. Maybe over all that isn't a big deal as the raw performance of Ivy Bridge isn't that much better than the current machines. The second machine is of course the Mini, a machine that really could have benefitted greatly from Ivy Bridge due to its cooler running and far better GPU.
The complete lack of mention of the Mini makes me wonder if the machine is completely dead and is about to be dropped. In the end it just looks like you are right on target, they are screwing with the desktop lineup so badly that sales will drop resulting in the justification to drop the lines.
Frankly this WWDC fiasco is exactly the opposite of what Apple should have been doing. They should have been demonstrating a capacity to innovate on the desktop as the whole line has been stagnet for years.
Frankly I don't care how good the next machine is, this update is so bad that I can see many people just up and leaving Apple completely. It isn't just the Mac Pro fiasco that is the problem but rather the total lack of desktop updates that is just offensive. The Pro just stands out as a symbol of Apples disregard for the desktop user.
Let's ignore the Pro for a moment. The iMac was not updated this means a bunch of users will have to forego the new technologies Ivy Bridge would have brought such as USB 3. Maybe over all that isn't a big deal as the raw performance of Ivy Bridge isn't that much better than the current machines. The second machine is of course the Mini, a machine that really could have benefitted greatly from Ivy Bridge due to its cooler running and far better GPU.
The complete lack of mention of the Mini makes me wonder if the machine is completely dead and is about to be dropped. In the end it just looks like you are right on target, they are screwing with the desktop lineup so badly that sales will drop resulting in the justification to drop the lines.
Frankly this WWDC fiasco is exactly the opposite of what Apple should have been doing. They should have been demonstrating a capacity to innovate on the desktop as the whole line has been stagnet for years.
Let's ignore the Mac Pro, neglect it for a few years, fail to update it, which leads to professionals and businesses losing interest and faith in Apple's pro-line, then claim "desktops/workstations are dead" as sales fall due to Apple's neglect. Yeah, that makes sense.
Apple FAIL
Next quarterly earnings call...
...will take place in July and should be interesting. Apple will announce what will likely be a significant drop in desktop Mac sales compared to the same quarter last year, as well as explain their lack of competitive products in this market segment. A July iMac refresh with Ivy Bridge, USB 3, and maybe more SSD options would help, but you'd think we would have heard more about it by now.
...will take place in July and should be interesting. Apple will announce what will likely be a significant drop in desktop Mac sales compared to the same quarter last year, as well as explain their lack of competitive products in this market segment. A July iMac refresh with Ivy Bridge, USB 3, and maybe more SSD options would help, but you'd think we would have heard more about it by now.
+1.
With this release crApple have lost product diversity.
It's the iToys that applies now.
NEVER ASK WHAT APPLE CAN DO FOR YOU! ONLY ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR APPLE!!!
And yes.. this upgrade was a slap in the face for pro customers!
And yes.. this upgrade was a slap in the face for pro customers!
I'd really like to know who Apple is losing their Pro users to?
I read a lot of people's frustration about the Mac Pro. And I understand. But when they talk about Pro users jumping ship to the competition, I wonder who?
Is Windows 7 really that much better that Pro, OS X users are dropping their Macs for a better spec'd Windows machine, or is the hackintosh community gaining a lot more attention lately?
I read a lot of people's frustration about the Mac Pro. And I understand. But when they talk about Pro users jumping ship to the competition, I wonder who?
Is Windows 7 really that much better that Pro, OS X users are dropping their Macs for a better spec'd Windows machine, or is the hackintosh community gaining a lot more attention lately?
..or you could trade it for a trendy new iPhone? Hahaha. I am sorry, this was really too mean, way below the waist...I am really sorry.
Is that it? The only thing you can come up as reason to update from a two years old mac pro to a newer one is USB port? Is that worth a rant-thread this long? There are third party PCI Express that can fix that up.
Is anyone else can stop ranting and actually writing something more on how the current/previous Mac Pro fairs compare to competition?
Also on geekbench the Mac Pro 2010 12-cores scores around 40,000 and the HP Z820 16-cores scores the same on Windows.
Has anyone thought about contacting the other companies Apple uses? I have no idea how one would go about it, but ask people at Intel to see if there is anything in the works, or speak to those at ATI/Nvidia to see if they're working on new compatible cards or something?
I know its a long shot but you never know, some companies might not be as closed mouthed as Apple is...
I know its a long shot but you never know, some companies might not be as closed mouthed as Apple is...
They lowered the price so it compares well to similar configurations. http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTE...il-Start?ProductUUID=71gQ7EN57N0AAAEtFjFVIOHn
The problem with gpu is volume.
Same thing than with express card market for mbp's.
It died when only 17" had it.
Same thing for MP's gpu. Too little volume to make products. If Apple had oofered xMac for years, there would be great market for graphics cards for mac, but they make more profits without xMac. People can't upgrade their iMacs and those who would be fine with xMac, has to buy MP.
And no, even Apple isn't big enough to build own cpu's or gpu's.
Or they sure could, but it's much more economical to let others do it.
No, it was just shortest to write.
Second might be that it doesn't use 2 year old cpu's or 3 year old gpu's.
I'll let others continue.
Why the need to be such a reactionary? The iMac was not updated yesterday. That doesn't mean it won't be updated soon. If you have been following Apple for any decent amount of time then you know Apple spreads new hardware launches out. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that Apple is holding back the iMac upgrade until after ML ships for a host of obvious reasons.
But it was important to get the laptop updates out now b/c of the "back to school" season starting up next month. College kids will be starting to look at new hardware and they don't buy iMacs they buy laptops.
really? they had new ones last year. if your older one isn't up to snuff, buy a new one (may 2011) and be happy. Still fast, still great graphics.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's good on their part to not have new imacs later this year. I find that quite odd actually, but saying goodbye over an iMac seems a little too far?
I can understand the anger towards the Mac Pro 'bump'. I'm actually stunned at the pathetic update for others - I'm ok - just bought a 2010 12 core before Christmas, but I can see how other post production houses and photographers etc... were waiting for a new desktop.
Sure, it's nice for Pogue to report they're working on a new design blah blah, but some communication from Apple on their gameplan would be nice. I don't think it would be tipping their hands towards other vendors either.
I've never written an email to Apple brass, but I think I might at this point. I seriously think they are forgetting the halo effect of folks implementing Mac Pros for their profession - iPhones, iPads, software etc... It's the sole reason I'm all Apple. I bought my 1st Mac in 2002 for my business and since then, I've owned 8 other Macs (still have 7) and various iPhones, ipod touches and 3 iPads b/c they're all connected and work together.
I'm not sure I would have as many Apple products had I not started with this ecosystem.
Without a definitive upgrade to the Mac Pro, what incentive is there for a pp house to stay with Apple if their latest desktop doesn't have thunderbolt or USB 3 - new technologies which can help businesses get their work done faster.
If those are available on another platform, where is the incentive???
If you need a Mac Pro you have the knowledge to operate with it...
you know how to fix problems,making backups..so no hassle to fix an hackintosh,you inform,ask,choose the right pieces...,
its a little different..than a noob pc...assembled somewhere somehow ...
and yes..this WWDC IS A TOTALLY UTTER OF CRAP!
Small bumps,a pricy retina which needs all the other appz to be redesigned to work as on the Ipad with Iphone appz and the 2x button,,.
ipad,retina,retina,macbook pro..my God...don't you understand?Forstall is ruining Apple...with tiny apps and tiny retiny ********s!
Imac left in the dust,,,usb 3 and thunderbolt on Air but not on Mac Pro..
********s!!!! and then...don't worry 2013 will bring that..just sit and wait..,
no Apple you stand up and wait..because when phone users will leave the old Iphone 6 gui for a samsung s3 or for a Win phone..while you dismissed us.with our passion for Macs...you'll see..Apple sinking in a Deep black Hole,with Forstall smiling sayng..its a new App the I-Fall..for Ios 11...,Sad.Cook,i thought you were smarter,you,re just not.
the delay could be a retina display issue
One thing I noticed about the next gen Mac Book Pro is that Apple lists the Thunderbolt Display as an accessory. But the specs don't work. The next gen MB Pro has a 15.5" screen with 2880 x 1800 = 5.2 M pixels. The Thunderbolt display is 27" with 2560 x 1440 = 3.7 M pixels. So the desktop display has 312% the screen real estate, but 29% less resolution than the new laptop.
I can't imagine releasing a truly refreshed iMac or Mac Pro without a 27" retina display to go with it. And that may be what's delaying things until 2013.
In a more cynical vein, the sales volume and margins for Apple product are in the notebooks, iPads, iPhones, and now Apple TV and the software. iMacs have become less important to younger students because of iPads and base level Mac Book Pros and Air Macs. The power users are a much smaller install base (not that Steve Jobs would ever have take this core constituency for granted).
One thing I noticed about the next gen Mac Book Pro is that Apple lists the Thunderbolt Display as an accessory. But the specs don't work. The next gen MB Pro has a 15.5" screen with 2880 x 1800 = 5.2 M pixels. The Thunderbolt display is 27" with 2560 x 1440 = 3.7 M pixels. So the desktop display has 312% the screen real estate, but 29% less resolution than the new laptop.
I can't imagine releasing a truly refreshed iMac or Mac Pro without a 27" retina display to go with it. And that may be what's delaying things until 2013.
In a more cynical vein, the sales volume and margins for Apple product are in the notebooks, iPads, iPhones, and now Apple TV and the software. iMacs have become less important to younger students because of iPads and base level Mac Book Pros and Air Macs. The power users are a much smaller install base (not that Steve Jobs would ever have take this core constituency for granted).
The iCloud meme is to upload everything right away. I think FCP and iM already edits a thumbnail of a video as an option. So that could easily be done on an iPod touch over wifi and the edited and rendered video would then be available for iCloud to serve at various resolutions for various target devices and bandwidths.
Some of the stuff we used to do to make imagery possible on BBS systems over modems (pre-internet!) can now be done automagically and in real time on substantially larger files.
Rocketman
Be definite Tim!!!
1. Ping: Dead
2. 17'' inch MBP: Dead
3. Mac Pro: On expiry
Instead of enticing poor Mac Pro users, just say whether the future of Mac Pro is dead or not.
1. Ping: Dead
2. 17'' inch MBP: Dead
3. Mac Pro: On expiry
Instead of enticing poor Mac Pro users, just say whether the future of Mac Pro is dead or not.