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Re: Logo?

Originally posted by primalman
Did anyone else notice that there is no Apple logo to be seen on the face of the 'rumor' machine?

There is no apple logo on the front of my Dual 1GHZ machine at my house or my Dual 800 machine here at work... what is your point?
 
CPU daughtercard in DDR PowerMac similar to one in Xserve

Did anyone else noticed that the CPU daughtercard depicted in the leaked photos of the DDR PowerMac is almost identical to the one in the Xserve? In the past, Apple has tried to have a unified motherboard design across multiple products. Obviously, because of the different case styles, the PowerMac and Xserv motherboards cannot be identical (although their chipsets could be very similar). The next best thing to having a single motherboard design might be to have a single design for the CPU daughtercard. This would go some way toward reducing development costs. It would also make CPU upgrades feasible.
 
Re: Re: Logo?

Originally posted by greenmonsterman


There is no apple logo on the front of my Dual 1GHZ machine at my house or my Dual 800 machine here at work... what is your point?

sorry, still using digital audio here, did not realize that Apple is going no logo on face of pro stuff. my bad
 
Re: Re: Re: 10.2 is included

Originally posted by drastik


Just like 10.1, the 19.99 is for shipping on the Cd (inflated, sure, but normal) If you go to a retail store or even an apple authorized dealer, they'll just hand you he disks.

The free discs handed out at the stores were NOT the same discs mailed out for 19.99. No developer CD, and a 9.2.1 UPDATE CD instead of a 9.2.1 full install CD.
 
Re: Re: Re: DDR is in

Originally posted by solvs
Why is it everytime someone starts this arguement they're trolls?
My apologies - 'twas late :eek:

Originally posted by solvs
But what about DDR, ATA/133 (for larger drive support), and even, shudder, USB2. People might actually use these things, and they're not that much more expensive to implement.
As far as ATA/133, USB2 and USB2, I am with you 100%, but the DDR thing is a much bigger issue. Besides the interesting way they did it in the XServe, it's more of a Motorola / IBM issue than one that can be solved by Apple. (Let's just hope the rumored G4+ with DDR support is a reality -- soon!)

Originally posted by solvs
Hate to tell you, but Macs DO use standard PC technology. SDRAM, IDE, USB, FW, AGP, PCI.

True, they use slightly different parts (for their RISC CPUs, and proprietary stuff), but it's more or less the same type of technology. And different drivers. But many "Wintel" components can be used in Macs. I know, I've done it.
Your slightly different parts analogy doesn't quite work here. This is like saying, "My Acura RSX-S and my friends Corvette use standard car technology. Tires, gears, leather seats, stering wheel, gas tank. True, they use slightly different parts (for their transversly mounted, front wheel drive, iVTEC engine and propietary stuff), but it's more or less the same type of technology." :)
Try to put a rear wheel drive on my RSX and see how much work would need to be done! ;)

PS: I also have added Wintel components to my Mac - CDRW, PC-133 RAM, Firewire/ USB2 Card so I know where you're coming from here. They are more similar today than they ever were.

Originally posted by solvs
Let's just hope Apple actually does something for their next PRO lines.

It's my money, I'd rather have OS X than any M$ Windows varient, and I can b*tch all I want about not wanting to spend that much on yesterday's technology.

ATA/66???
Agreed! :mad: Let's hope Apple is waking up!
 
I think it's sad every time I go read threads and people post comments like,"Apple better get their butts in gear because their use of Motos old technology is making Macs laughable in speed.". I sometimes think those people have had very sever head truma because I decided to switch to the Mac not because of their use of Motorolas and IBMs processors but because of the way their operating system doesn't try to suck as much power as possible making the system liable to frequent crashes and core stabablity problems. It's not how good the processors are, it's how good the operating system is.
 
Actually, that last statement is right.

Code has become so bloated, that we actually have more than enough raw speed to do most anything.

Not to say that I wouldn't like faster G4s.
 
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Hee hee. =D

-- J
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: DDR is in

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw

My apologies - 'twas late :eek:


As far as ATA/133, USB2 and USB2, I am with you 100%, but the DDR thing is a much bigger issue. Besides the interesting way they did it in the XServe, it's more of a Motorola / IBM issue than one that can be solved by Apple. (Let's just hope the rumored G4+ with DDR support is a reality -- soon!)


Your slightly different parts analogy doesn't quite work here. This is like saying, "My Acura RSX-S and my friends Corvette use standard car technology. Tires, gears, leather seats, stering wheel, gas tank. True, they use slightly different parts (for their transversly mounted, front wheel drive, iVTEC engine and propietary stuff), but it's more or less the same type of technology." :)
Try to put a rear wheel drive on my RSX and see how much work would need to be done! ;)

PS: I also have added Wintel components to my Mac - CDRW, PC-133 RAM, Firewire/ USB2 Card so I know where you're coming from here. They are more similar today than they ever were.


Agreed! :mad: Let's hope Apple is waking up!

Sorry, I was in a pissy mood when I posted this stuff. And a bunch of people kept saying things about how "the Mac is far superior to the PC, and I should know, I've never owned a PC". I do. It does suck.

I'm just really frustrated because I want the Mac OS, and I need a reasonably priced, fairly good system for multimedia purposes.

I just want the ability to use the new 200 GB hard drives without having to spend another $80 and using a precious PCI slot. I could care less about the processors #'s, I need OVERALL system thouroughput. I don't think I'm asking all that much for a $3,000 machine. I know you didn't, but other people we're calling me a troll, and telling me to buy a PC if I didn't like it. Yeah, cuz that helps. My point being, they could add some of this stuff (Motorola be Damned), I just can't understand why they don't.

If nothing else than to attract some of the PC users, or at least SHUT THEM UP ($3,000 for ATA/66!?!).

It's my $$$, I can bitch all I want.

End of Rant.
 
too soon?

could be too soon, but wouldnt' that undermine the inventory-clearing smarmy buys?

on the subject of how derivative this french site case is... damn, can't they come up w/ something new? i hope its not this. when the blue meanie came out, yeah, fun and it gets noticed. i had one at work and people asked about it. but THE SAME @#$%!ING THING AGAIN? will likely just get a g3 upgrade card should it be the case <g> and see what JAN brings. my SuSE8 machine flies; tho it is purchased as a server can continue using it to browse, qIII, and other taxing stuff until i can get a fast mac.

YUK
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DDR is in

Originally posted by solvs


I'm just really frustrated because I want the Mac OS, and I need a reasonably priced, fairly good system for multimedia purposes.

I just want the ability to use the new 200 GB hard drives without having to spend another $80 and using a precious PCI slot. I could care less about the processors #'s, I need OVERALL system thouroughput. I don't think I'm asking all that much for a $3,000 machine. I know you didn't, but other people we're calling me a troll, and telling me to buy a PC if I didn't like it. Yeah, cuz that helps. My point being, they could add some of this stuff (Motorola be Damned), I just can't understand why they don't.

If nothing else than to attract some of the PC users, or at least SHUT THEM UP ($3,000 for ATA/66!?!).

It's my $$$, I can bitch all I want.

End of Rant.

What kind of multimedia stuff are you doing that is being bogged down by a 66 bus? You've used up all your PCI slots? I don't know about this 200gig drive, but 120gig IDE 7200's are about $150ea, and I've got three HD's in one of my machines.
Everyone wants the best machine they can get, and especially the best machine for the money, but let's face it...the current crop of G4's (and even the older G4's) are still really good and immensely capable multimedia machines. I still do most of my DVD and edit work on a G4 450. Hell I still have a G3 based Media 100 that chugs along quite nicely.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DDR is in

Originally posted by SPG


What kind of multimedia stuff are you doing that is being bogged down by a 66 bus? You've used up all your PCI slots? I don't know about this 200gig drive, but 120gig IDE 7200's are about $150ea, and I've got three HD's in one of my machines.
Everyone wants the best machine they can get, and especially the best machine for the money, but let's face it...the current crop of G4's (and even the older G4's) are still really good and immensely capable multimedia machines. I still do most of my DVD and edit work on a G4 450. Hell I still have a G3 based Media 100 that chugs along quite nicely.

Not much of a reason to upgrade a 450 yet, but hopefully we'll see something next month.

I'll admit it, most of it's just principal. But some of it's real world. Not all of us play games on our computers. That wasn't a knock at you, or those who do, I was referring to comments I've heard and don't really get about why people don't buy Macs (buy a PS2 if you wanna play games. $199). Western Digital just announced 200 GB drives, only available on ATA/133. And Maxtor has those 160 GB drives, but they're only 5400 RPM. There's a small, but noticable, performance hit. It's all about the Latency.

If I buy a new Tower, I'd add a RT-Video PCI card, second Monitor (ATI Radeon 7000 PCI, with TV-Out), possibly SCSI card, sound card (wanted a SBLive, but without X drivers, no way. There are other options), as well as future upgrades. Like a dual USB 2/FW2 card when they're available, for compatiblity (although they could just add USB 2, too). You should see my PC. Loaded to the gills, and I'm still having to open it to add and remove stuff. At least it'd be easier on a QS-like Tower.

I'm looking to keep this new future computer for awhile, and will probably be an early adopter of Serial ATA when it comes out anyway, so I hate to bother with an $80 card now. I might just go with dual 120 GBs in the mean time (hopefully the Towers will have them as an option, the xServe does).

If they could have a Radeon 8500 as a CTO option, I wouldn't need another card for TV-Out. I might not need SCSI (we'll see). And if analog audio-in was an option, I could live without a PCI sound card. I probably won't be doing MIDI in anyway, but it's always nice to have options.

I know most drives don't saturate an ATA/66 bus, but ATA/100 seems to be faster. At least in my informal tests, and I've seen benchmarks that prove this on PC sites. Of course different ATA/100 cards were different speeds, so it depends on a lot of factors. But come on, doesn't it look better (especially to PC weenies)? And how much more could it cost? Less than GBEthernet I'm sure. Future proofing. Even with ATA/100, you can't have drives above 128 GBs. Do you know how much room Un-Compressed DV takes up? I can't afford Multi-RAID Ultra 160 SCSI 181 GB drives, and external drives are cumbersome.

You can see my predicament.

Don't get me wrong, I still love my Performa 6400. It was my first computer. "It'll always have a special place in my heart". Heh. But I hate my POS PCs (selling all but 1) and when I move, I want something nice (can't wait to use FCP 3). They won't have to do too much to impress me now-a-days.

1.2 GHz+, DDR (it helps, even bastardized. Trust me), ATA/133 (I guess 100 provides enough bandwidth, but hardware RAID 133 would blow me away), USB 2 (and FW 2, but who we kiddin'), LOTS of PCI slots, TV-Out (as an option at least), analog audio-in, etc. would make me very happy.

Don't make me go back to Win98, PLEASE for the love of humanity. Even Win2000 kinda sux.

"DLL error from an application you've long since uninstalled. Your computer will now shut down for no reason. Cannot shut down computer, program to shut down computer has shut down. Please restart your computer. Cannot restart, Internet Explorer has caused an invalid page fault in something you couldn't understand no matter how many classes you take, which is funny because you weren't even running IE, but for some horrible reason it's tied in to every facet of this OS shell built on a buggy DOS system that sucked in the first place. Trying to fix registry error, could not fix error because there is an error in your registry. Please quit application you already tried to quit".

Blue Screen. "Shutting Down Windows". Frozen computer. Fizzle, fizzle.

"You're Screwed".
 
anybody see this

mwadd.jpg


wrong thread, but I saw it while I was on the pot and thought of all of you here at MR :)

It is an add for macsolutions in the back of the August Macworld magazine. They must have finished the add before they read the rumors about no new Pmacs at MWNY. At least we know they read the rumor sites!
 
Macabre, that's really interesting, put me on the list! The G?

I wonder if they are expecting the cost of ddr or sdram
 
solvs, My point is that even the old G4's work damn well for multimedia. I should know since I have edited a half dozen edit and graphic heavy hour long programs on a G4 450, and made a couple dozen TV segments on that same machine, and created three dozen commercially released DVD's on a G4 400. I have never had a problem with drive throughput using IDE drives to edit DV material. If you want to do more than DV, say analog Beta SP, Digibeta, even HD you will need SCSI drives no matter what platform you are on.

You want a good FCP system? Any of the current G4's scream. How good are the PC based options when it comes to editing? I have yet to see anything even close to what FCP gives you for under $25k, and I have yet to see anything even remotely as stable. If you really want I can start telling you horror stories of producers I've worked with having their entire PC systems meltdown in the middle of big projects.
 
Agreeing with the fact that a G4 anything will handle FCP rather nicely, but the faster it is, the better the render times, so...of couse, if you want to stay in ClassicLand, you can use the RT-Mac board. I just wish there was a compontent option for FCP that wasn't the better part of 10k.

Sadly, the MOST stable NLE i've used has been the old Video Machine, which started under windows 3.1, and use ISA boards with a propriatary interconnect bus and onboard scsi controllers. The best system I've ever used for hybrid and and a few other types of projects, and it still makes me sad that there isn't a modern equivilent. I live german engineers - they simply weren't aware that you couldn't make a NLE run on an ISA 486, and they did it anyway!:)

God, a firewire-based system similar and a Powerbook G4 for live events woudl make me soooooooooooo happy.

I'm curious to see how the Xserve handles FCP - going to test it out when my client's system arrives, I figure it'll serve as good a test as anything:) At least to see if the drives are truely as fast as they say!
 
death of OS 9? is native bootability about to go?

remember some earlier rumors about new PM revs not being able to run OS 9 (or earlier--hey, there are those 7.5.5 diehards out there! ;) )?

I wonder if this predicted upcoming announcement, hand in hand with Jaguar will spell the end of OS 9-supported machines.

still seems insane to me--Jobs himself said only 20% of the user base is running OS X.

I'm clutching a fistful of cash, but I'm waiting to see is a DDR machine will still boot in OS 9.

thoughts?
 
RIP OS9?

If Apple are serious about getting the other 80% of users to migrate to OSX, wouldn't it be a good idea to produce a proper INSTRUCTION MANUAL. How can you RTFM if there isn't an FM to start with? It's all very well not having manuals for incremental upgrades to the old OS, but OSX is really very different, and there are many issues which I for one am unclear about, and I've been using Macs for years. I simply don't know my way around OSX, and the Help stuff is not actually all that helpful. To me, there are no appreciable advantages to OSX, just a very expensive, slow, confusing, piece of power-hungry bloatware which doesn't work with half my (very recently-bought) gear. Ease of use seems to have taken second place to style. What on earth is the point of having windows visible while you're moving them? And all the other gimmicks which use so much processing and graphics power that there's nothing left to run the programmes? It's time they stopped thinking so much about the packaging and more about the content. And the user.

Disgruntled of Richmond.
 
Re: RIP OS9?

Originally posted by skunk
It's time they stopped thinking so much about the packaging and more about the content. And the user.

it seems they're trying to work many markets at once--and this is a good business practice.

they still want the graphics folks (like me), but they also want the kids, newbies, etc, etc, who respond less to crunch-time, deadline power and more to the eyecandy.

the roads will meet. lest us not forget--it's called OS X.2 but it's really OS I.2
 
I hope they're still bootable in OS 9. I mean there might be a load of graphics software for OS X, business apps, internet apps etc... but there's very little reason to even concider buying a new mac if you use you're current one for audio, there's very little software so far and if digidesign, emagic, steinberg and MOTU all released OS X native versions of their software we're still waiting on plug-ins and software synths before OS X is of any use. I do like the idea that I can get reason and bias Peak for OS X though, at least there's a few basics there already. It's the lack of almost all the other software synths and plug-ins for OS X and no definate date on when they're going to be ported or even if are in the first place.

If they bring out powermacs that won't boot into OS 9 I can see a lot of people snapping up the left overs from the current range once the resellers start their usual discounts or just buying CPU upgrades for their current systems rather buying a new mac. No OS 9 support would be a bad thing, for a start even if you managed to get a 933Mhz G4 or a dual 1GHz for a reasonable price it wouldn't have DDR or any of the other enhancements the new range will have and for audio you need all the bandwidth and CPU power you can get!
 
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