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10.2 Ship date on Aug. 5?

Originally posted by Kid Red
IIRC it takes about 10-14 days to get the GM burned on CDS and pressed, etc. ...

Build 6C101 just went out to developers. Presumably Apple then waits at least a couple days to get some feedback and then takes at least a day or two to make fixes where needed for the next build. If we're optomistic and assume that this is the last pre-GM build then we're still looking at around 5 or more days before GM would be ready for press. Say we're even more optomistic and figure the shorter 10 days for the press/packaging time. That puts us at August 8 at the earliest. I don't see how 10.2 could ship before Aug 12th.
 
Re: 10.2 Ship date on Aug. 5?

Originally posted by esome


Build 6C101 just went out to developers. Presumably Apple then waits at least a couple days to get some feedback and then takes at least a day or two to make fixes where needed for the next build. If we're optomistic and assume that this is the last pre-GM build then we're still looking at around 5 or more days before GM would be ready for press. Say we're even more optomistic and figure the shorter 10 days for the press/packaging time. That puts us at August 8 at the earliest. I don't see how 10.2 could ship before Aug 12th.

From what I've read, 101 is pretty tightly put together, so I would guess this is the end before pressing. As far as the GM goes, I don't know, but I would bet a little financial boost might keep somewhere open 24/7 to get it done more quickly. I'm still banking on the announcement on the 5th:D
 
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Originally posted by bbarnhart
someone say, who heard from a guy on the subway in Kansas City that they would be shipping on July 30th, 2002.

It was just what I heard.




You mean the subway in KC that goes under the Missouri River or the Kansas River, or the one that runs throufh Arrowhead Stadium and drops you off on the 50 yerd line?

Primalman, you beat me to it. Actually, someone did try to use this system to sneak into Arrowhead at the Michael Jackson concert many years ago. Of course, it is called the SEWER system by us in Kansas City. :D
 
Hello?? Apple said plain and clear at the expo that 10.2 will not be shipping until August 24. They are taking preorders though. Why would they change their proposed shipping date?
 
I hate to do this to everyone, but it's something that's been bugging me.

why all the cooling? g4's don't put off that much heat so the fan and the kitchen sink....er...heatsink seem like overkill.

maybe because there are more procs going in there...It kinda seemed like there would be room under that block to put 4 procs

I don't think it's likely, but possible. Apple asked what the 3d community wanted. A rackmount server (x serve) and dual and quad proc machines. Well apple delivered on the x serve.

hmmm...

:p
 
Requested Translation

Originally posted by rugby
Wow, PC2700 DDR would be nice.

I just read the translation and it was quite painful. Anyone here offer a better version?

I'm french canadian... here is an attempt and translating it by myself:

* * * * *

Some more speculations on the upcoming G4:

Some may consider the following as rumors, others as information.
If you're against uncomfirmed information, please don't read any further!

- There is a good chance that the new powermacs will be available (or annouced) on august 5th!

- They'll be sporting, as expected, a DDR memory bus. That DDR bus won't be a 133x2 but a 166x2! Memory transfers will be made at 333MHZ.

* * * * *

End of translation.

Ok, my english is far from perfect but I hope it is at least better than a lousy translation software. If you want me to correct anything, private message me and I'll edit this post.

Hope this helps.

Sebastien
(Montreal, Canada)
 
where do people get these dates?

The only thing solid I see is the end date for the Crystal Clear Savings promo. It doesn't make sense for the new powermacs to overlap with this promo.

So I say, they'll announce it on the 13th and start taking orders with the ship date being the 24th or so when Jag ships.
 
Here's the requested translation from MacBidouille:

Certains considèreront ce que ce qui suit plus bas comme des rumeurs, d'autres comme des informations.
Si vous êtes contre les informations non confirmées, n'allez pas plus loin !

- Il y a une forte probabilité que les nouvelles machines pro soient mises sur le marché (ou présentées) le 5 Août !
- Elles auront, comme on peut s'y attendre un bus mémoire DDR. Ce Bus DDR ne sera pas un 133*2, mais un 166*2 ! Les échanges mémoire se feront donc à "333Mhz".

Some people will consider what follows a rumor, others a fact. If you don't like unconfirmed information, don't read any further!

-There is a strong probability that the new pro machines will be released on august 5.
-These machines will have, as one could expect, a DDR memory bus. This bus will not be 133x2, but 166x2! The memory exchanges will therefore be at 333 Mhz.
 
Originally posted by dongmin
where do people get these dates?

The only thing solid I see is the end date for the Crystal Clear Savings promo. It doesn't make sense for the new powermacs to overlap with this promo.

So I say, they'll announce it on the 13th and start taking orders with the ship date being the 24th or so when Jag ships.

This is where you preorder it:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...0.3.34.81.0.JaguarPromo.0.0.2.0.3.1.1.0?67,81

Also when you add it to your order it says the shipping date is August 24.


There, done!
 
Could be nothing

This could only mean they will announce the new models and have them available "real soon" after the announcement.

Shake will probably want to run on a spiffy ultra-fast new G4 (compared to what came before). I doubt any of these announcements software-wise are coincidental.

The hardware will start trickling in as Shake and Jaguar are set to go. Apparently getting Xserve production going was harder than anyone expected (reports of seriously damaged Xserves in undamaged boxes, bad components out of the box etc.).
 
Originally posted by Over Achiever


uuuh...it says estimated shipping date...nothing set in stone;)

Well that would knock the pants off of me, if my preorderd copy of 10.2 showed up unexpectedly.
 
Do you think there's any chance of dual 1.6Ghz G4's?
Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, PLEASE!!!!!!!
 
In light of the fact that 106 was released today, I take back my comment about 101 being the end, I was wrong, I admit it, but I'm thrilled anyway.

The ship date is the 24th, but some of the ideas here are that new hardware will have 10.2 anyway, even if everyone else can't get it.

This makes some since if you look at the uproar over paying for 10.2. If people are given a chance to work on ans see 10.2 really running, I think the feature set will put all complaints to rest. A lot of cash went into this and I promise you all that it will show in the final product. Maybe this is a way of ramping up orders for the finished piece when it ships, not to mention getting people into the new hardware a litlle more quickly.:D
 
Wouldn't it be best to just wait till Apple "actually" announces it. After all, I believe I started seeing articles about the "upcoming" G5 processor in September of 1999.
 
speed

I have an idea how much faster a 1Ghz G4 compared to a 400Mhz is.

But what does it mean to get 333MHz DDR Ram and faster Speedbus.

Can anyone provide some information about that?
 
10.2 is included

I called the Apple Store and they told me that all systems shipping after the MWNY announcement will include a free upgrade to 10.2 when it is available. So, it really doesn't matter if 10.2 is pre-installed or not - it is included.
 
trilogic:

It's fairly simple. Think of it in terms of cars on the road (as I'm prone to doing often). The CPU is the car itself: all other things being equal, we know that a Lotus Elise can beat out a Honda Civic, for example, just as a G4 chip can beat out a similarly-clocked Pentium 4.

However, for that to happen, you have to have the room to flex all that power. A Lotus Elise might have a lot of potential, but you can't use much of that potential if you're stuck in heavy traffic. The same goes for the clock speed of the RAM and system bus on a computer. The faster the memory and the system bus on a computer, the more room the CPU has to flex its muscles. Obviously there's a limit to the effectiveness (a given CPU can only put out so much data), but it can really help.

Right now the G4 chip is fairly limited by the RAM and system bus it has to use. A PowerMac or PowerBook currently uses 133 MHz for both the RAM and the system bus, which isn't really enough; the whole reason why recent models of those computers have 1 MB or more of that L3 cache is because they can't pass data through quickly enough otherwise. Going to DDR RAM and a faster system bus would let the CPU operate more smoothly, without having to resort to L3 cache as much (if at all).
 
Originally posted by bidge
Gayle the iPod Administrator at apple support said that the firmaware would be available for download at the beginning of August and Apple are really pushing the calendar and iCal. Won't this mean though that we can't use iCal without 10.2, what would be the point in releasing iCal/firmware upgrade without 10.2.

Should be interesting.......

Can an iPod successfully store firewire webcam video without (an additional) computer?

And can it also more likely store DV camera images/footage?

Rocketman

I want to launch some stuff.
 
I think that Apple need to get al diehard mac-grassroot to start talking about anything else than writing petition about the price for ".Mac" - that´s the reason we will se the new G4-towers anounsed earlyer than expected.

- Midnightposer ( Sweden )
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Originally posted by Postal
Going to DDR RAM and a faster system bus would let the CPU operate more smoothly, without having to resort to L3 cache as much (if at all).

And if I wan't to compare the speed gain of a faster sysbus and ddr ram. Could I say that for example a 800Mhz G4 CPU on the faster board would be as fast as a 1Ghz G4 CPU on the older and slower board?

Aren't there any benchmark comparison of the new and old powerbook after apple changed the busspeed from 100 to 133?
 
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