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Decline in iPhone Shipments Could Make Apple Worst-Performing Top Five Smartphone Brand of 2016
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IMO the idea of "constant growth" is what brought the financial crises in previous years, but this is not the thread to discuss it.
By the way, when you look up "6s sales" those are the top two results. Look at the URLs.
Phillip Elmer Dewitt:
http://ped30.com/2016/04/24/apple-ming-chi-kuo-truthiness/
After I posted he changed it to 44%.
The design of Apple products IS art - not art you look at in a gallery, but it's no less art. You think it's trivial to design these products and MASS produce them to this incredibly high standard of precision fit and finish? You clearly don't know much about engineering or design if that's what you think.
Have you ever taken an iPhone 4 apart with an engineering appreciation for how it is created in a logical, modular fashion, with the logic board solder mask and ribbon cables all colour matched matte black, laid out in a neat, uniform and logical manner, how the band around the side is THICK, SOLID stainless steel, how the corners and sides of the display are anchored to the inside of the band with precision screws and washers, how the insulation material in the antenna band gaps is precision made so that running a finger over it reveals NO misalignment between the insulator and the steel, such that it is a continuous, smooth and uniform surface, how ALL of the screws are still machine screws that lock into machined threads in the steel chassis, and not self-tapping screws that rely on being screwed into soft, weak plastic. Notice how ALL the ribbon cable connectors are held down with precision made stainless steel clamps, held captive with securely located screws, again, mounted into the steel.
Show me one single example of another brand's phone that is designed SO well inside AND out looks, feels & behaves exactly like an iPhone then... Samsung can only churn out chrome plated plastic that looks (at a cursory glance ONLY, and to the untrained eye) like metal, but clearly isn't as they have no wish for the longevity of their phone to extend past 1-2 years - they simply do not care about quality, same applies to the others too, who do a poor attempt at mimicking the external of iOS devices, mimicking the aluminium and steel parts, but if you looked inside you would see a MESS made of plastic.
Below are some photos I took on Saturday, whilst replacing someone's iPhone 4 display. The quality of materials used is astoundingly good, and is why huge amounts of people still desire 5 year old Apple products over brand new Android devices.
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The 7 will not be OLED. However, IMO, I think there is a good chance it may have the TFT LCD from the iPad Pro. It's not OLED, but it's a VERY nice LCD.
Lot's of unknowns. You'll know quite a bit more once production starts. IMO, Apple has yet to choose the final design/configuration for the 7. IMO, quite a bit has changed since the first "Leaked" images of the 7 backplate. If it has the iPad Pro's display I'll upgrade from my 6. If it's a 6s with an A10 then Apple is in serious trouble in market share for 4.7" and above devices.
IMO, I also think there currently is a "It's cool to hate on Apple" thing going on for some reason. I'm not sure what it is. It's more than just innovation. Given the relative ignorance of the American Public some could see Apple's defense on the FBI's assault as anti American. I completely support Apple in this effort. However, I do hear, see, and feel a change. It's unnerving.
I also feel the recent iOS problems don't help with migrating to iOS from another OS. So, yes an OLED screen would make the iPhone more up to date. However, IMO, there are several other underlying issues.
What it sounds like to me is Apple is making a great product so people are keeping them longer. Android users must upgrade because those phones fall apart and don't last 2 years. Been there, done that.
As for Oppo and the other Asian phones, show us the U.S. sales numbers for those. Laughable.
As for Oppo and the other Asian phones, show us the U.S. sales numbers for those. Laughable.
They work hard, but they do need to do something 'magical and revolutionary' again. They are slowly becoming another run of the mill tech company.
They "need" to, do they? You can't just snap your fingers and have people "dream up" a revolutionary idea, the follow-through impact of which takes years to notice, ON DEMAND. Wow, people are incredibly naive at times. Run of the mill? Wow... okay then, whatever you say.
The iPhone 6 & 6 Plus - were poorly designed from the get go. It falls out of the hand way too easily and breaks immediately. Oh and it bends real easy.
I have been buying iPhones at the day of their release since iPhone 1. Version 6 made sure that I did NOT buy a new iPhone. I am still sitting here with my broken-glass 6plus (4th iteration as the 3 others broke).
I know one guy working here in Germany for telekom. He said that where iPhone users would renew their contracts every year to get a subventioned item they would not do that anymore as much as before. Me included.
I don't like Samsung nor Android but there is NO way that I am EVER going to purchase an iPhone 6 again NOR an iPhone this thin and slippery.
So I am even wondering why people are STILL buying these versions being they are a complete joke to use !
Apple went from Product to Gadget Maker !
PS - Did I mention its Battery Life ;-)
I have been buying iPhones at the day of their release since iPhone 1. Version 6 made sure that I did NOT buy a new iPhone. I am still sitting here with my broken-glass 6plus (4th iteration as the 3 others broke).
I know one guy working here in Germany for telekom. He said that where iPhone users would renew their contracts every year to get a subventioned item they would not do that anymore as much as before. Me included.
I don't like Samsung nor Android but there is NO way that I am EVER going to purchase an iPhone 6 again NOR an iPhone this thin and slippery.
So I am even wondering why people are STILL buying these versions being they are a complete joke to use !
Apple went from Product to Gadget Maker !
PS - Did I mention its Battery Life ;-)
If a company is knocking out something "magical and revolutionary" every couple of years, those products almost certainly aren't going to be "magical and revolutionary" at all.
^ I was looking for the right answer, and you found it. Fickle ignorance of consumers.
From what I read and hear most people support Apple on this. IMO the reason why "Apple hatin'" is hanging around is because more and more people find out how huge Apple margins are (not going into the tax thing here) and feel cheated.
This exact thing is said about the automotive sales industry. The price is the price; it's a simple concept. Let 'em go on the competition and show Apple.
Thanks for the link. I'll have to check his methodology in a couple days when the post leaves the paywall. I'm interested in his low rating because it counters my own observations of Kuo's accuracy since 2012. As a scientist I'm convinced by data so if Dewitt's data pan out (assuming he's upfront about his sources and methods), I'll gladly give up my elevated opinion of Kuo and put him back down with the other analysts.
It may be crazy, and it certainly is more risky, but the smaller company with $2bn annual profit is the better investment. Just remember, Apple was once that company and those who heavily invested in them have a ton of money now. Sure, investing in a stable company making $20bn annual is great if you want a few bucks off dividends each quarter, but you're not going to make serious money off it. And these are things Apple's BoD are going to be paying close attention to.
Yes, but I don't think that there is "an Apple of cars" – a company consistently selling the most cars, with their own... um... operating system analogy here..., with profit margins of over 60%.
Not familiar with PED, and like I said, I'm sure you can find things like names and release dates that didn't precisely line up with his predictions. But as for an upcoming iPhone, he tends to paint a decent picture of what we can expect by this point every year. The links are all there.
If we're debating his shipment forcasts, I'm sure that's a lot murkier. but I would say that the assertion that this upgrade cycle might do weaker numbers at very least matches my own gut reaction to whether there's anything that would remotely compel me to upgrade my 2 year old phone 6.
Unless you have stock riding on it, I'm not sure why people worry much either way. I'm more interested in the whispered plans for 2017.
Well, as he says, this is kind of hard to accurately call. Kuo is better than a lot of people but not as good as some people make out.
Valid point. However, it's not going to change. Margins are required to expand, and well, "cough" innovate/RD. IMO, "It's Cool to pick on Apple's Margins." People that castigate them general have never Run/Owned their own business.
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Since smaller top of the line iPhone were sold for 7 years and as recently as 1.5 years ago, demand wasn't that pent up. Plus I'm still not that convinced that many "top of the line" iPhone people will be jumping on the SE. It's more for budget/casual people. Don't get me wrong, I think it will sell decently, but not give a jump like the iPhone 6 did.
Very true
but Apple are always mixing and changing designs - who is to say that SS won't come back in another iPhone!