go and try to buy it from DELL right now, the link doesn't lead you anywhere, all you can get is an error message, you CAN'T get it for $268 right now, they can do what ever false advertisement right now, we will see what's really going on when this DJ(DELL JUNK ) release.
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The ipod does that too, it transfers songs ahead of time to ram, or w/e, so that the harddrive spins the least possible. that is why after skipping about 6 songs, you here it spin up again.
as for the batt, I am perfectly satisfied with the ipod batt life. it keeps me with music whenever i need it durring the day, then charge it at night. i have never once run out of batterie life.
aethier
*EDIT: i also play "parachute" and "brick" durring some of the more borring classes, with the backlight on, and it does not let me down.
The DJ is no iPod and never will be.
Ok for right now the DJ might seem appealing because of it's cheaper price and battery life(probably due because it's either huge battery or running on standby) but think about this Apple should be introducing a new Gen in the first quarter of next yr which probably means a revamp of the 3gen's design, longer battery life, possible colour LCD, 50-60GB of storage space, and introducing the low cost iPods probably using the older 3gen body with 10-20GB of storage and probably around the price of $150 to $250 dollar range. I believe once this happens nothing will touch the iPod for sometime to come.
Ok for right now the DJ might seem appealing because of it's cheaper price and battery life(probably due because it's either huge battery or running on standby) but think about this Apple should be introducing a new Gen in the first quarter of next yr which probably means a revamp of the 3gen's design, longer battery life, possible colour LCD, 50-60GB of storage space, and introducing the low cost iPods probably using the older 3gen body with 10-20GB of storage and probably around the price of $150 to $250 dollar range. I believe once this happens nothing will touch the iPod for sometime to come.
Toshiba is already in the market!
Old one:
http://www.toshiba.co.jp/mobileav/audio/meg50js/products.htm
New one:
http://www.toshiba.co.jp/mobileav/audio/meg200j/products.htm
Review of new one:
http://www.i4u.com/article569.html
Sushi
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
And no one noticed! Therefore, Toshiba isn't making a big difference!
Uh, don't be so quick to judge.
The last time that I looked, the iPod does not have 100% of the market.
While they have a huge presense, they are less than 50% So there is a large market out there to be tapped by others.
BTW, the new Toshiba player is smaller (thinner) than the iPod, advertises 11 hours play time, lighter, and supports WMA.
I for one, am looking to see what Apple has up their sleave for their 4G iPod. I still have, use and love my original 10GB one.
Sushi
Re: The DJ is no iPod and never will be.
I'll believe it when I see it. Historically Apple has never had a cheap iPod but then again theyve never had any serious competition. There's nothing like having the competition nipping at your heals to make you realize that: Hey! Maybe our product is a tad overpriced.
Sorry guys. There isnt any major magic going into the iPod other then a beautiful form and a nice interface.
-The hard drive isn't made by Apple but Toshiba.
-The battery isn't made by apple but Sony.
-The CPU is ARM based (Similar to the ones being used in current PDA's.) Its all general over the counter items. Yes Apple did a very good jobs integrating these components into a small form fact or but seriously everything else is Apple tax and while most Apple users, and myself come on 80GB drive!, will happily shell out the cash for such a device there will be more then a few that will look at the Dell offering and say screw it if I can get more storage, = batt life, and at an as cheap or cheaper price point. Apple should be concerned for Christmas sales. The major thing Apple has going for it is that Dell doesn't sell their wares anywhere other then online.
I'll believe it when I see it. Historically Apple has never had a cheap iPod but then again theyve never had any serious competition. There's nothing like having the competition nipping at your heals to make you realize that: Hey! Maybe our product is a tad overpriced.
Sorry guys. There isnt any major magic going into the iPod other then a beautiful form and a nice interface.
-The hard drive isn't made by Apple but Toshiba.
-The battery isn't made by apple but Sony.
-The CPU is ARM based (Similar to the ones being used in current PDA's.) Its all general over the counter items. Yes Apple did a very good jobs integrating these components into a small form fact or but seriously everything else is Apple tax and while most Apple users, and myself come on 80GB drive!, will happily shell out the cash for such a device there will be more then a few that will look at the Dell offering and say screw it if I can get more storage, = batt life, and at an as cheap or cheaper price point. Apple should be concerned for Christmas sales. The major thing Apple has going for it is that Dell doesn't sell their wares anywhere other then online.
the toshiba player, at the least the one in the first link, claims 18 hour battery life due to "advanced lithium ion rechargeable battery." it recharges in 3 hours and 30 min. the condition of use listed for the 18 hour battery life is: room temperature (25 deg. celcius), no backlight, volume at mid-level, 128 kbps WMA audio file sampled at 44.1 kHz.
so i guess such batteries are out there...
regardless, mp3 players aren't as popular (yet) in japan as MD players still command quite a bit of respect in regards to the portable music player industry. also, due to the fact everyone japan has a cell phone that are far, far more advanced than anything in the u.s., i imagine a cell phone mp3 players will have a better chance of succeeding.
i only mention the thing about japan because usually, japanese like their gadgets small, useful and well-designed. japanese aren't as price conscious (i.e. cheap) so once japanese market demands improved choices in mp3 players, i imagine good stuff will come out of japanese companies. (another reason apple does relatively better in japan, i think...) until such time, ipod is plenty capable and designed well enough to satisfy the japanese...
so i guess such batteries are out there...
regardless, mp3 players aren't as popular (yet) in japan as MD players still command quite a bit of respect in regards to the portable music player industry. also, due to the fact everyone japan has a cell phone that are far, far more advanced than anything in the u.s., i imagine a cell phone mp3 players will have a better chance of succeeding.
i only mention the thing about japan because usually, japanese like their gadgets small, useful and well-designed. japanese aren't as price conscious (i.e. cheap) so once japanese market demands improved choices in mp3 players, i imagine good stuff will come out of japanese companies. (another reason apple does relatively better in japan, i think...) until such time, ipod is plenty capable and designed well enough to satisfy the japanese...
30%. Per Jobs own figures. iPod owns the highest overall % of any device but there is that 70% hanging out there.
30% is nothing to laugh at. Its good. Apple is GOING to have to work to maintain that number.
Re: Re: The DJ is no iPod and never will be.
Well, the points you mentioned are the case also for everyone else making mp3 players (I almost made the mistake of typing iPod instead of mp3 players--talk about brand identity). Apple's job is to integrate the hardware into an incredible form factor, and to make user-friendly software. Clearly, no one else performing the same task has been successful, at least in the eyes of the consumer, whose eyes are the only ones that matter.
Of course, Apple's got more money than a company like Rio, but it doesn't specialize like that company does. And Apple's got less than, say, Dell, but it beats Dell pretty soundly in this area.
Oh, SiliconAddict--great handle! At first I thought it said "SiliconeAddict" and I found that pretty funny.
Well, the points you mentioned are the case also for everyone else making mp3 players (I almost made the mistake of typing iPod instead of mp3 players--talk about brand identity). Apple's job is to integrate the hardware into an incredible form factor, and to make user-friendly software. Clearly, no one else performing the same task has been successful, at least in the eyes of the consumer, whose eyes are the only ones that matter.
Of course, Apple's got more money than a company like Rio, but it doesn't specialize like that company does. And Apple's got less than, say, Dell, but it beats Dell pretty soundly in this area.
Oh, SiliconAddict--great handle! At first I thought it said "SiliconeAddict" and I found that pretty funny.
70% by revenue, which indicates that the rest of the market is taken up by cheap players and not iPod competitors.
When iPod's competition comes crawling out of the woodwork, I don't think Apple has a lot to worry about. I am in the market for an mp3 player, and I'd take an iPod over this DJ thing anyday. Just look at them side by side and it's easy to see which one is superior. The DJ's stats are impressive, but not too important.
I wish people would realize that we are in an age where computing power exceeds need. Who really needs 16 hours of non-stop music? That's an entire waking day. I guess I just don't see the point of constantly increasing stats on stuff like this. Tech companies resources would be better spent improving what we have, instead of replacing last weeks piece of crap with this weeks faster piece of crap.
I wish people would realize that we are in an age where computing power exceeds need. Who really needs 16 hours of non-stop music? That's an entire waking day. I guess I just don't see the point of constantly increasing stats on stuff like this. Tech companies resources would be better spent improving what we have, instead of replacing last weeks piece of crap with this weeks faster piece of crap.
Re: Re: The DJ is no iPod and never will be.
I thought the same way until my wife bought me the 30 gig ipod for my birthday, but not anymore.
IMO what makes the ipod great is the package as a whole, the ipod and itunes/music service and the way it sounds.
The D-A converters sound better than cheap boxes, the ability to use it as a firewire storage device,the file formats you can play and syncability are going to make it hard to beat.
Your point is well taken though, as the user experience is what makes the Mac better than a pc and the ipod better than the cheapie boxes. This also works against the Mac and the ipod though, the fact that you actually have to use one to see that they are better and many people go on price alone,peace
daniel
Do you actually own one?
I thought the same way until my wife bought me the 30 gig ipod for my birthday, but not anymore.
IMO what makes the ipod great is the package as a whole, the ipod and itunes/music service and the way it sounds.
The D-A converters sound better than cheap boxes, the ability to use it as a firewire storage device,the file formats you can play and syncability are going to make it hard to beat.
Your point is well taken though, as the user experience is what makes the Mac better than a pc and the ipod better than the cheapie boxes. This also works against the Mac and the ipod though, the fact that you actually have to use one to see that they are better and many people go on price alone,peace
daniel
Actually it just says that the iPod costs more (on average) than other players. It says nothing about how cheap (I could have 1% of the other share but cost $900) the other players are or if they are competitors or not (another player could have 31% share and cost little).
iPod competitors are not that much cheaper than the iPod. The iPod's added price wouldn't excessively skew the statistics the way that they are. No, it's just that the iPod is the only extensively selling music player in its class.
Toshiba's Second HD Player.
Sony to launch new music service, they are rumored to have an HD player and other devices to go along with the service.
Someone probably should look at how much of the marketshare Apples iPod has by yr end. As I know alot kids that live around me are all asking for iPods for Christmas. Also if anyone was watching the World Series you'ed noticed Apples iPod commerials everytime they broke to commerical breaks.
I noticed Apple points out in the commerical that iTunes is now for Windows so I think they reached a good portion of viewing area since alot folks did watch the WS's. Apple is suppose to put out new ad for SuperBowl too.
I noticed Apple points out in the commerical that iTunes is now for Windows so I think they reached a good portion of viewing area since alot folks did watch the WS's. Apple is suppose to put out new ad for SuperBowl too.
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
And no one noticed! Therefore, Toshiba isn't making a big difference!
The first one sucked. Who needs a removable 5G HD in an HD Mp3 player? In addition there was 0 marketing. The second one is only available in Japan. I have a feeling they may put a few marketing dollars behind that one.
You forgot what I said...in its class. The flash memory-based MP3 players cost significantly less, but are not in the same class as the iPod.
Thats a nice try, but when you go back and edit a post to add something to make somebody else look like they were wrong, it adds a nice little:
Last edited by Phil Of Mac on 10-27-2003 at 12:28 AM
Its ok though, if you need to lie to support your arguments I understand.