MontyZ said:
There is?
I dont see why people are saying that an Apple wont be an Apple if it has an intel chip in it???
PowerPC chips are made by IBM right? so are you saying that you could consider a Apple an IBM 
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I dont see why people are saying that an Apple wont be an Apple if it has an intel chip in it???
PowerPC chips are made by IBM right? so are you saying that you could consider a Apple an IBM MontyZ said:
Seriously. Things change and a lot of you guys seem to be very close-minded about Macs. Give things a chance. 1/2 the posts I've seen in rumor threads involving anything in the PC world are always whining, sulking, or ranting. I certainly hope your lives don't revolve around what brand of CPU is in you computer.
Apple is a smart company and they know what they're doing.
Agreed. This certainly isn't about the money in Jobs' book. He's personally worth 3 billion dollars. Shareholders want Apple to make money, but they are backing Apple for a reason -- because they believe in Apple's philosphy of "doing it right". Otherwise they would've just bought MS stock a long time ago.CelticBhoy said:
Steve Jobs realized many years ago that being the best at what you do was its own reward. Despite many opinions on this thread, it's not always about the money. Thank God. Or Apple wouldn't exist now.
I can only respond to this by saying that I completely disagree with your assertion.blackbird71 said:
But since neither of us can predict the future, there's little point in debating the matter any further.
Just don't post your beliefs as if they were facts. The fact is that Apple has said that there will be no port of Mac OS to run on non-Apple hardware. If you think they are lying sacks of excrement, go right ahead and believe what you want, but don't go around inventing press releases that don't exist.
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but do you think Steve's cancer scare has motivated him to move forward with more of a sense of urgency? I mean, he didn't waste any time dumping IBM. Who knows what's around the corner. It's going to be fun to watch Apple in the next few yearsJGowan said:
We should ask Apple's CFO.JGowan said:
I believe Apple does try to dance to a different tune than most of the market but at the end of the day you have to hit your numbers. Ask anyone involved with the stock market, if you miss your numbers consistently people will dump your stock and you won't have much capital to work with. I know Apple has several billion in the bank and they're hitting their numbers, but the bottom line is essential to staying in business. I'm sure they do their best to be innovative and Steve & co. seem to really enjoy what they do... still, without the money behind the people, no innovative products can be realized. There is a side of Apple that is all about the money - at least their stock holders sure hope so!
shamino said:
Watch Wall Street's reaction to Dell's offer tomorrow... IMHO they will eat it up.
Apples primary objective is "to make the best personal computers in the world." To do this they need to keep the system closed to keep the compatibility bugs out the system.
They provide the software, the hardware, the support. (Well, the latter can be negotiable)
Thus: why would they open Mac OS X up to PCs? They would lose control, and ultimately, shatter any chance of reaching their their primary objective.
Whether they would be more profitable as a business if they open Mac OS X to PC's is another issue.
Just my two penneth
They provide the software, the hardware, the support. (Well, the latter can be negotiable
)Thus: why would they open Mac OS X up to PCs? They would lose control, and ultimately, shatter any chance of reaching their their primary objective.
Whether they would be more profitable as a business if they open Mac OS X to PC's is another issue.
Just my two penneth
sinisterdesign said:but go too far & you're no longer cool. cool/uncool is a fine line. there are tons of examples of this, i'm sure, but Skechers comes to mind. i remember when i bought my first pair in San Fran back when i was working for Apple. they were big & chunky and everyone thought they were so cool & interesting. 6 or 7 years later, you can go to Sears or someplace & pick up a pair. sure, now they have a much larger distribution channel, but they've lost the cool appeal. i wouldn't buy a pair now for that exact reason (call me a fashion snob, w/e).
Two things: first, you *are* a fashion snob... Second, I'm guessing that those Skechers weren't *that* well designed to begin with... Maybe they were "cool" as in "fashionable"...
See, a 6-year-old iMac G3 is *still* a cool machine, as a cube, or even a Pismo PowerBook. It all comes down to design quality, not some subjective sense of "coolness". The *thing* itself feels and looks cool, but it's not because of looks alone... It's because of the combination of that old principle, "form follows function", with some cutting edge materials, thanks to ingenious industrial design. Add some great software that integrates seamlessly with the machine, and you're all set: you have one truly *cool* product in your hands.
Want two better examples, as you could argue that those products still look "cool" because they were designed back when Apple was still a "cool" company? The iPod... Look at it... It's all over the place! Yet, it still looks cool, very cool. And what about the iPod Shuffle? Apple opted for cheaper plastics and a no-screen approach, yet, the damn thing is as cool as every other Apple product (I own both a 1GB Shuffle and a 3G 20GB iPod, plus an iMac G5, and had an iMac G4 before this one, so I know what I'm talking about). Why? Because those key components - good looks, and perfect functionality - are all there... It's the whole package that counts, not the fact that it's supposedly a "status symbol" or whatever!
That being said, I won't stop using Macs even if Apple grabs more than 10% of marketshare, or licenses OS X or whatever, just because their products lose some of their abstract "cool" appeal. As long as the quality of their products doesn't decrease, and as long as they don't stop being innovative, I'm fine with that, IMHO. And so far, Apple doesn't seem to be resting on its laurels in both their hardware and software development, so I sense a bright future for our favorite company.
P.S. - In case you didn't notice, for me, "cool" != cool... "Cool" is what most people thought that the iPod was all about, thus calling it "just a fad"... Cool is what it really is, a f*ing great and revolutionary product, period (and it really runs much cooler in your pocket than a PM Dual 2.7GHz G5 - or a Pentium 4, for that matter - would on your desk
... Why didn't Apple go with ARM instead of Intel? ).AlasdairM said:
Two words Wall Street....
For example,, about 6 weeks ago, a superintendent of schools in Georgia went out on a limb and order 1,600 iBooks. Then Jobs does his Intel switch. Would you spend taxpayers money on "old and busted" iBooks or would you want "new and improved"... Then along comes Dell and says we will put OSX in our laptops today...
If you were that superintendent what would you WANT for your taxpayers money.
If Jobs says no, that super would kill that order fast...
And then there is what Wall Street would say to Jobs losing big orders....
blackbird71 said:
They're not old and busted for God's sake.
Can't I go into any topic on this board without having to see people make these ridiculous statements?
Tamer Brad said:
PowerPC in Apples are dead.... Intel is King get over it.
IMHO Jobs shot himself in the foot over this,,, but he has to make it work.
min_t said:
Agree. But would it be so bad if Apple decided to license OS X to certain PC manufacturers? I can see Apple allowing OS X to run on low cost, low margin hardware produced by others. Apple has the mini, other manufacturers would have to top that technologically and form-wise to get your money. And if they do, Apple will have to up that. Hardly bad for you is it?
IMHO Intel does not equal OS X on PC's
Apple moves from PPC to Intel.
So?
Where is it written (or am I just missing it somewhere here), that OS X will just be able to run on PC's? ... or ported to PC's? ... or licenced for PC manufacturers?
I really do not see this processor change as a big deal.
I use Apple products for their ease of use, OS X's incredible interface, and of course, the overall Apple experience. I really could not care less what's under the hood as long as it does a good job. Just because PC's use Intel arcitecture does not mean Apple will licence out OS X. I don't see much changing for the Apple lineup except for more powerful and more affordable Apple products based on Intel processors.
My 2 cents.
Apple moves from PPC to Intel.
So?
Where is it written (or am I just missing it somewhere here), that OS X will just be able to run on PC's? ... or ported to PC's? ... or licenced for PC manufacturers?
I really do not see this processor change as a big deal.
I use Apple products for their ease of use, OS X's incredible interface, and of course, the overall Apple experience. I really could not care less what's under the hood as long as it does a good job. Just because PC's use Intel arcitecture does not mean Apple will licence out OS X. I don't see much changing for the Apple lineup except for more powerful and more affordable Apple products based on Intel processors.
My 2 cents.
corey said:he's right. my G4 stopped working the very moment Jobs announced they would be switching to Intel.
Wall Street Wall Street Wall Street.... That who Jobs has to report to...
itcomesinwaves said:
Wow, that surpises me. Especially when Michael Dell proves what an idiot he is in this article: http://www.extremeipod.com/article2/0,1759,1752105,00.asp
He wants to be seen as "cool" so badly (like Gates and Ballmer - holy sweaty monkeyboy, Batman) but they just can't make it. Some of the Dell systems I've seen (low end) are just crapware, and if Apple ever turns into that, I'll just make the switch full-time to Windows. I use the Mac because of the style first, and the OS second. I don't want a hunk of boxy black plastic on my desk.
What I REALLY want is a Sandbenders computer from "Snow Crash". Those would rock.
I posted this in another forum but it seems relevant to this discussion:
Software may be the soul of Apple, but it's a business like any other, it's survival and success based on profit.
Most of their core software comes free on new computers, some simple math for you:
OS Upgrade : Tiger $129
iLife: $79
vs.
iMac: $1300-$1800
Power Mac: $1500-3000
Hardware may not define Apple (arguably), but it certainly sustains it, and fuels creativity. This corporate reality can not be underestimated. Apple is in the business of selling systems, of which there is a hardware and software component. This is their niche and they're quite successful at it.
There is no chance OS X will end up on a Dell. Apple didn't expand into retail around the world so they could sell iPods, Tiger and Final Cut Pro.
Software may be the soul of Apple, but it's a business like any other, it's survival and success based on profit.
Most of their core software comes free on new computers, some simple math for you:
OS Upgrade : Tiger $129
iLife: $79
vs.
iMac: $1300-$1800
Power Mac: $1500-3000
Hardware may not define Apple (arguably), but it certainly sustains it, and fuels creativity. This corporate reality can not be underestimated. Apple is in the business of selling systems, of which there is a hardware and software component. This is their niche and they're quite successful at it.
There is no chance OS X will end up on a Dell. Apple didn't expand into retail around the world so they could sell iPods, Tiger and Final Cut Pro.
As I said, not everyone cares about the machine - as long as it does what they want it to and a Dell would suit people fine.. the machine is of little importance.
If I don't care about quality I'll get an Emac or mac Mini ( low spec graphic cards etc).
So many people are misguided about the quality of Dell computers - they get on the band wagon of slagging off Dell and know little about what they are talking about.
Apple use substandard hardware in their computers too you know - i.,e for a long while Emacs were plagued with flickering screens. Low Quality graphic cards in all ranges of their products ( upgrade option available).
Also apple's displays in their LCDs aren't exactly the best quality, I've seen better in other laptops.
However, overall I like the hardware but its the software that counts, and the hardware second, because its all pretty reliable these days. ( Lots of people have had bad experiences with apple products, and like wise, other manufacturers ).
If I don't care about quality I'll get an Emac or mac Mini ( low spec graphic cards etc).
So many people are misguided about the quality of Dell computers - they get on the band wagon of slagging off Dell and know little about what they are talking about.
Apple use substandard hardware in their computers too you know - i.,e for a long while Emacs were plagued with flickering screens. Low Quality graphic cards in all ranges of their products ( upgrade option available).
Also apple's displays in their LCDs aren't exactly the best quality, I've seen better in other laptops.
However, overall I like the hardware but its the software that counts, and the hardware second, because its all pretty reliable these days. ( Lots of people have had bad experiences with apple products, and like wise, other manufacturers ).
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
jayscheuerle said:Like I said...
If you can't see the difference in fit and finish between a Lexus and a Ford, then you're just not going to understand why design is important, or more likely, even what it is...
Exactly I'm with you on that...
saying a powermac g5 is just an expensive metal box is ludicrous
Want the most compelling reason this isn't so... Place a Powermac and a Dell side by side and open the cases-
The Powermac with everything nicely compartmentalised- no extraneous wires, bits shoved there, outdated legacy ports/floppies and I could go on...
Open the Dell and everything that is so nicely designed on the Powermac just isn't there. And the thing that gets me is people actually want to mod these things with see through side panels with flashing lights and neons - like they're actually proud to show off the inside of pile of crap!!??
Sure the Dell may do the job but it sure as hell isn't beautiful, quality engineering
Well, I'm ruined for anything but an Apple box in the future. Having an anodized aluminum Power Mac G5 and matching Cinema Display will do that to youStella said: