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Demand for iPhone SE is 'Very Strong,' Exceeds Available Supply
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Juicy Box
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I guess it depends on your point of view on the old model.
If Apple decided to start releasing retro models of Macs, the iMac G4 for example, with modern internals, I would love that and would buy one.
While the SE's model isn't what I would consider retro, it is pretty nice. I have a iPhone 6s Plus, and I might take it in for the SE.
Juicy Box
macrumors 604
I thought of a non-Apple example. From 1989-1999, Toyota made the MR2 SW20 Mid-engine sport car (my profile picture). If Toyota decided to re-release it, I think it would be a popular.
Although this would probably never happen considering the car would never pass the safety standards of today, but I can dream.
I think it's obvious whats happened. Everyone on Earth already has a smart phone and the newer smart phones don't really do anything the old ones can't. OK incremental upgrades in the specs but the new phone does not allow me to do things I can't currently do.
So in the future selling phones will be like selling toilets or refrigerators. Everyone I know z9here in the US) has at least one each toilets and refrigerator and only buys a new one when the old one breaks and can't be fixed. The companies selling these still make lots of money. This will be the way of phones now that they are mature and common. From an environmental point of view we don't really want billions of phone being made, used then trashed after a few years. In a perfect world we'd keep a phone for as long as we keep a TV set This happens as a product becomes mature. It see rapid change at first then after some years the design and features become more stable. I hope this happens with phones and it looks to be happening
Apple will need to think up some new product that today no one thinks they need. I don't that will be a car. OK, maybe Apple's plan for the car is to offer them in some new way, perhaps "transportation as a service" (like Uber but driverless) If they could do that (A driverless Uber-like service that is sold by SUBSCRIPTION) they could revolutionize another industry. This way Apple would not be selling cars. But I doubt they still have the vision, Steve is gone.
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THAT is exactly Apple's problem. When the target market is "the masses" then you have to sell based on what "they" want which is really nothing. Most users just play games, surf the web and send text messages.
As an example I argued about why I like the iPhone to a 26 year old Samsug user. He said his phone does "everyone" made can he could post to instagram and send texts. I said I really need to edit slides I made on keynote and a few things like that, he said he does not use apps like word processors, spread sheets and photo/video/audio editing. I pretty much live inside Pages, keynote, Final cut and sometimes Logic and in the past Aperture. I am a tiny minority that Apple is caring about less and less.
So in the future selling phones will be like selling toilets or refrigerators. Everyone I know z9here in the US) has at least one each toilets and refrigerator and only buys a new one when the old one breaks and can't be fixed. The companies selling these still make lots of money. This will be the way of phones now that they are mature and common. From an environmental point of view we don't really want billions of phone being made, used then trashed after a few years. In a perfect world we'd keep a phone for as long as we keep a TV set This happens as a product becomes mature. It see rapid change at first then after some years the design and features become more stable. I hope this happens with phones and it looks to be happening
Apple will need to think up some new product that today no one thinks they need. I don't that will be a car. OK, maybe Apple's plan for the car is to offer them in some new way, perhaps "transportation as a service" (like Uber but driverless) If they could do that (A driverless Uber-like service that is sold by SUBSCRIPTION) they could revolutionize another industry. This way Apple would not be selling cars. But I doubt they still have the vision, Steve is gone.
[doublepost=1461769706][/doublepost]
THAT is exactly Apple's problem. When the target market is "the masses" then you have to sell based on what "they" want which is really nothing. Most users just play games, surf the web and send text messages.
As an example I argued about why I like the iPhone to a 26 year old Samsug user. He said his phone does "everyone" made can he could post to instagram and send texts. I said I really need to edit slides I made on keynote and a few things like that, he said he does not use apps like word processors, spread sheets and photo/video/audio editing. I pretty much live inside Pages, keynote, Final cut and sometimes Logic and in the past Aperture. I am a tiny minority that Apple is caring about less and less.
niun
macrumors 6502a
I'm actually looking forward to the day I see an Apple Car perched on one of those display tables.
Pick up from store?
At the rate Apple is going we'll all have personal hover crafts by that point.
I'm beginning to think this SE debacle is Apple's craftiest upsell ever. No SE in stock for the foreseeable future. The 6s.. Yeah, boxes of em!
Pick up from store?
At the rate Apple is going we'll all have personal hover crafts by that point.
I'm beginning to think this SE debacle is Apple's craftiest upsell ever. No SE in stock for the foreseeable future. The 6s.. Yeah, boxes of em!
Ain;t upgrading until apple release a 4inch with 128gb or 256gb options.
Klaatu63
macrumors regular
I use my 16gb 5s as a phone primarily and seem to manage very well with 16gb. I have offloaded all my music, video, photos to a WD MyCloud. I like the new SE but I guess I will wait till the phone dies a natural death be upgrading.
I'm not sure the Bluetooth problem was restricted to the SE. My Bluetooth headphones developed the same problem on calls-not music-- with my 6SPlus. And when I checked that thread earlier this morning there was another post after mine indicating all the 6s phones tested in a store were also now experiencing the same issue. It could be an iOS problem. My headphones were working great on calls before. I'm not sure what update introduced the problem. I don't use my headphones for calls that often. Just when having really long conversations with my parents when I am trying to do chores.
0007776
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Nobody else tried at least with high end specs. Sony was the closest with the Z1 compact, but that was still 4.3" and competing against iPhones that were in the 4" range. Apple abandoned a large market that they owned, most likely had they put out a 4" phone with the 6S in addition to the 4.7" and 5.5" they would have continued their streak of revenue growth.
DocMultimedia
macrumors 68030
Apple should ditch the September release of the marginally changed iPhone 7 and just wait until they have the "iPhone 8" ready. If possible, have it done in time for holiday season.
These incremental changes where the new selling features might include moving antenna stripes, or adding a better camera to ONLY the 5.5 inch model have got to end.
I saw no reason at all to update to the 6s, but I did anyway. For the 7 I see absolutely no reason to upgrade based on current rumors and will end up waiting for the 8 like sooooo many others probably will. This could be a disastrous holiday season for Apple. Making a mere 10B in profit is not enough for analysts.
These incremental changes where the new selling features might include moving antenna stripes, or adding a better camera to ONLY the 5.5 inch model have got to end.
I saw no reason at all to update to the 6s, but I did anyway. For the 7 I see absolutely no reason to upgrade based on current rumors and will end up waiting for the 8 like sooooo many others probably will. This could be a disastrous holiday season for Apple. Making a mere 10B in profit is not enough for analysts.
kyleh22
macrumors 6502a
maxsix
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It's just that Apple is a very polarizing company. They get in people's face with outrageous hype, much of which began in the Steve Jobs Years and carried forward to the present. With their elitist attitude they invite extra scrutiny.
MH01
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I'm not sure the wii would have been the same sucess had it cost more at launch. I get your point though.
bruinsrme
macrumors 604
I would normally hand down my old iphone to my wife and I would upgrade annually. then she would hand down her iphone to our son.
When the 6 came out I upgraded. Then upgraded to the 6+ and wanted to down the 6. She wanted nothing to do with it.
She is perfectly content with the 5S size.
Little does she know she will have a SE.
You are the One
macrumors 6502a
littleone
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MacBH928
macrumors G3
TBH I don't blame Apple abandoning this size. When they increased iphone's screen size they sold more than ever. I was surprised they got back to the smaller size.
Apple usually likes to keep selection small so 6 and a 6 Plus sounds right, but looking at the horrific iPad line, I guess there is a place for an SE too.
Apple usually likes to keep selection small so 6 and a 6 Plus sounds right, but looking at the horrific iPad line, I guess there is a place for an SE too.
Juicy Box
macrumors 604
Who ever said that everyone wants a bigger or smaller phone? I remember these forums were filled with posts of people complaining about the lack of a 4" iPhone when the 6 came out. Just like there were lots of posts of people wanting a bigger phone when the 5 came out.
All that means is that some people like a smaller phone, and some people like a larger phone. It is actually a pretty simple concept that Apple is taking a while to figure out, people want choices.
I bought an iPhone 6s Plus thinking that I would enjoy the larger screen, and also for the camera. I do enjoy using the larger screen when I am able to use 2 hands and while sitting, but the phone is almost useless with one hand.
Agree 100%
The only thing I miss is the higher contrast screen on my 6s, you can really see the lower contrast screen on the SE and like you said a lot has to do with the distance between glass and lcd. It's like the difference between owing the iPad mini 2 and the iPad mini 4. I could immediately tell the mini 4 looked better with the laminated screen.
If Apple updates the SE in the fall with a higher contrast screen keeping the 4" display I will trade my SE in for the SE2 in a heartbeat.
Bubba Satori
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Lets just admit it, apple beat everyone to the punch. They took their numbers and used them to justify the need for a 4 inch device again and the device is selling like hot cakes. Soon we will see Samsung come out with their version of a 4-4.5 inch galaxy device in order to take some of that market apple has. well played apple, well played...