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Gizmodo = Internet Web Based Magazine NOT a tech blog?

I thought they were just a blog. This distinct designation could have some interesting outcomes in how Gizmodo.com and the staff is treated during this issue. In mind opinion, the folks at Gizmodo.com lost any sort of freedom of speech protection via being a reporter when they bought the iPhone 4G. The outcome of the processing of these felony charges will be interesting establishing better definitions between blogs vs. news agency.

Were I writing the opinion I'd say the question of "who is a journalist" is never reached since even were the Gizmodo gang entitled to the protection of the California shield law, the acts with which they are charged lie outside the scope of that protection. The special master process is sufficient to moot the same issue as applied to the search warrant.

There's really no need to make any sweeping definition of a journalist to resolve this case, which I think is a good thing for those of us who don't like to see reporters locked up for refusing to identify confidential sources. These Einsteins at Gizmodo are not the ones you want standing up there speaking on behalf of the next generation of Woodsteins.
 
If that were the case, then their counsel failed to indicate that their purchase of the prototype unit from Hogan was a violation of California law. Actually, it appears that their counsel failed them numerous times. Plus, note cmaier's comment above.

Plus, they could have lifted the EMI shielding and blacked out the chip identification text in the photos (that's actually the more typical practice).

Let's face it. Occam's Razor would indicate that Gizmodo did not consult with counsel before publishing their findings.

Gizmodo had claimed they got advice from their COO. She's an attorney. Of course, being a British trial lawyer, she was a little out of her jurisdiction ... :)
 
Being a Apple site... you know... it would be nice if some members weren't such extremist... and showed no partiality, and gave honest neutral opinions... but being that it is a Apple site... what do you expect? LOL

Anyways... a lot of things should of been handled differently... when Apple asked for the device back... and Gizmodo said "ok, sure" without doing no type of ransom move... that should of been the end of it... period. Its gonna be funny to see how many "rent-a-cops" are going to respond to this.

Secondly... I don't blame the guy who got the phone, and sold it... I don't blame Gizmodo for buying the phone... and I don't blame Apple for asking for it back... who do I blame? I blame the idiot who took a PROTOTYPE phone to a bar where people get drunk and lose sh**! Dumbass move, seriously. Yes people take THEIR phones... but not PROTOTYPE phones. Wow... to continue... I blame Apple for being a whiney bi** and asking for the device back, everything going smooth, and then turn around and get the guys house raided.

I don't care how much of a Apple extremist you are... you know damn well in the streets... people would get killed over that. Thats called two-facedness.

But all in all... the idiot here is the Apple employee... I would of fired him, or moved him down to another job... I couldn't have someone that RECKLESS on my team. Sorry.

Oh and yeah... that roommate is a total snitch.
 
I think he/she meant why would anyone take a prototype off campus, knowing it may not be the best idea. Thus getting drunk and losing it was the end result after all. And in most likely it should not have been out anyway. That would be my guess considering the high level of security of Apple.
You still don't get it.

Apple wants iPhone prototypes field-tested. They have a list of employees who are approved to take units off-campus (Steve Job allegedly reviews this list). They want the field-testing to occur in the way that real customers would use the device: in bars, restaurants, public transit, sporting events, concerts, parks, etc. They want the approved people to go to the Fillmore/Cafe Du Nord/Bottom of the Hill, take a call, text people, shoot some video, take some photos, etc. They want you to ride Caltrain/Muni/BART, go the baseball game, etc.

That's why the lost unit was cloaked in a case that made it look like an iPhone 3GS. It was meant to be taken off-campus.

Gray Powell was on that list of approved field-testers. If he wasn't, you better believe he would be out of a job. However, he's still employed by Apple.

The beer garden in question isn't really a bar, it's more of restaurant/pub and closed at 10pm the night he lost the phone. Yes, 10pm, like when a typical restaurant would close.
 
No, I'm cheering someone who is pointing out corporate misbehaviour. Lots of people here are expressing their disappointment with what Apple is doing on this and a number of other fronts - Jon Stewart is just saying the same thing to a larger audience.

No, read your own post again. You said:

Thanks to Jon Stewart, a large number of people think that "Apple broke down someone's door because of a lost phone".

Thank you, Jon Stewart.

You just said that Jon Stewart's criticism is incorrect and then you thanked him for it. How is that not cheering on misinformation?

And as far as "lots of people here expressing their disappointment", you're simply wrong. If you actually tally up the opinions on this thread, the overwhelming majority are in support of Apple's position (which wasn't necessarily the case a week ago). It's now obvious that Apple simply reported what they believed to be a crime. The counterargument is that Apple should not report crime. Very few people are willing to make that counterargument. Are you?
 
Wow, I just finished reading that document on cnet. Apple has these guys by the short hairs. Concealing evidence... Hogan & his room mate knew they were doing something wrong. For them and Chen this will not go over very well in court if it gets that far. This will cost Hogan a lot more in lawyer costs that that 8500 he got for the iPhone. Do you think he will still get that bonus payment when Apple release the 4G iPhone as he was promised by gizmodo?
 
Being a Apple site... you know... it would be nice if some members weren't such extremist... and showed no partiality, and gave honest neutral opinions... but being that it is a Apple site... what do you expect? LOL

Anyways... a lot of things should of been handled differently... when Apple asked for the device back... and Gizmodo said "ok, sure" without doing no type of ransom move... that should of been the end of it... period. Its gonna be funny to see how many "rent-a-cops" are going to respond to this.

Secondly... I don't blame the guy who got the phone, and sold it... I don't blame Gizmodo for buying the phone... and I don't blame Apple for asking for it back... who do I blame? I blame the idiot who took a PROTOTYPE phone to a bar where people get drunk and lose sh**! Dumbass move, seriously. Yes people take THEIR phones... but not PROTOTYPE phones. Wow... to continue... I blame Apple for being a whiney bi** and asking for the device back, everything going smooth, and then turn around and get the guys house raided.

I don't care how much of a Apple extremist you are... you know damn well in the streets... people would get killed over that. Thats called two-facedness.

But all in all... the idiot here is the Apple employee... I would of fired him, or moved him down to another job... I couldn't have someone that RECKLESS on my team. Sorry.

Oh and yeah... that roommate is a total snitch.

It appears your moral compass may be in need of a tune up.

So just to be clear. If someone steals something from me,sells it to someone who then posts it on the internet, destroys it and then demands I give em a little something they can post on their web site before returning it, I should not report it to the police.

Here in the world of grown-ups your argument is absurd. Stop trying to be "street" it is goofy.
 
Wow, I just finished reading that document on cnet. Apple has these guys by the short hairs. Concealing evidence... Hogan & his room mate knew they were doing something wrong. For them and Chen this will not go over very well in court if it gets that far. This will cost Hogan a lot more in lawyer costs that that 8500 he got for the iPhone. Do you think he will still get that bonus payment when Apple release the 4G iPhone as he was promised by gizmodo?
It's not really Apple that has them by the short hairs. It's the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office. This is a criminal investigation by the county.

Hogan will never do time behind bars (unless he has a previous criminal record). He'll get slapped with thousands of dollars of fines and probably spend a fair amount of time doing roadside landscaping for the Sheriff's Work Program.

Chen and Lam are probably through working in tech media. My guess is that Gawker Media's Nick Denton will settle out of court (to reduce attorney fees -- the cheapskate that he is), then unceremoniously dump Chen and Lam. They're both still on the Gizmodo masthead, but I'm doubt that Denton really considers them employees anymore. Denton got a boatload of pageviews; he only cares about money, not people.

Only Hogan's whistle-blowing female roommate showed any integrity here. Everyone else failed badly.
 
I like apple products but honestly...

Apple is a bully. Its complete BS to believe anyone in their right mind that could break a huge story like this wouldn't take advantage of that. Thats like telling the National Enquirer or People Magazine to hold off on releasing information about Jesse James' whores because Sandra didn't want anyone to know.

Apple is a bully because they utilized their power, in which any company would deny, to attack Gizmodo. While its true that consumers would've probably held off waiting for the new iPhone... they should've been smart and change into good PR leaking over small bits of info to the public.

Attacking journalists over this can have strong negative impacts on reviewing future Apple products. It happens people. Look at fox news. They can twist any good story to make it sound like its a bad thing.

I'm glad the judge unsealed it and showed the power Apple has over particular entities. The only thing those idiots that sold the iPhone to Gizmodo did wrong was getting caught. Now they look like fools. IMHO.:D

If Gizmodo had just taken pictures and reported on its existence, I would have no problem, especially if they reported it to apple and only took pictures while waiting for apple to acknowledge it was their property.

However, Gizmodo paid for the device (making it a felony). Disassembled it and in the process destroyed it (also a felony depending on the value of the item). Withheld the device from its rightful owner (also a felony). Once they identified the owner and attempted to get it back, they should not have proceeded to disassemble the device.

This is like finding a car parked in your driveway. Instead of contacting the owner or the police to have it removed and returned to its rightful owner, you enter the vehicle, rummage around in inside, take it for a drive to the store. Then you decide to see how it works so you pull the engine an in the process you break the engine. If you did this you would easily be found guilty of stealing the car and destruction of property. Even if you knew who the owner is and hate them because they don't call you every day, still does not give you the right to destroy/drive/tamper with the vehicle the erroneously left at your house.

Just to make things worse, Gizmodo appears to have had knowledge that it was obtained under dubious circumstances furthering the notion that they were receiving stolen goods.

The guy who obtained/stole the phone itself was very well aware of the value of the item and who the rightful owner was (as evidenced by detroying the serial number, attempting to hide evidence during and after he gave away the phone). All of this seems to have been known by Giz, making both the guy who found/stole the phone and Giz both guilty of felonies.

Just to top it all off. The fact that Giz disassembled the device and published pictures of the internals while knowing full when that it was a prototype and during the period in which Apple had asked for it back, means Giz is also probably guilty of espionage, also a felony. Although this is not the strongest charge.

The funny thing about this, is that Gizmodo will probably be banned for life from Apple events which will severely diminish their impact as a tech blog.
 
Obama mama doesn't even know how to use an iPad...am I right?

Not sure..., Obama said that many are too dumb to see that fox news is an etrataining bussines, not a news business, and therefore those folks should not touch an ipad or idevice... But this is more politics than I feel confortable talking in this forum... off topic...
 
Apple is a bully because they utilized their power, in which any company would deny, to attack Gizmodo. While its true that consumers would've probably held off waiting for the new iPhone... they should've been smart and change into good PR leaking over small bits of info to the public.

I read the investigation documentation and couldn't find anything that suggested Apple used its power to inappropriately influence the authorities.

Perhaps I missed it. Do you mind pointing out the relevant sections?

Thanks.
 
Yes the roommate sounds like a little snitch ass baby. I'm glad you all act like class citizens here and have never said " sucks to be him" or " finders keepers"

Yeah, right.
I wanna see your tough ass when faced with a criminal investigation involving felonies.

Unbelievable. How old are you? 16?
 
Secondly, I want you to THINK really hard. If Apple did not like Gizmodo all those years and wanted to be rid of them, don't you think it's too convenient for someone like that employee to 'forget' his prototype at a bar when someone, say an Apple plant, could have been ordered to 'sell' it to Gizmodo by framing them?

Think about that. It may sound ridiculous....

It doesn't just sound ridiculous, it is the definition of ridiculous. You are clearly struck by some sort of paranoia/conspiracy syndrome.
 

Why?? Are you serious?
Do we need to know the name and address of the father/family, the name and birthday of the girlfriend, phone numbers, license plate numbers, et bloody cetera?

No we clearly don't.
We don't even need to know where Chen lives because none of this is our effing business.
 
Do we need to know the name and address of the father/family, the name and birthday of the girlfriend, phone numbers, license plate numbers, et bloody cetera?

No we clearly don't.
We don't even need to know where Chen lives because none of this is our effing business.
And yet it was the media clamoring for the unveiling of the affidavit, and a rival tech news agency being the first to post it. MacRumors readers weren't the ones who pressured for the disclosure. It was the tech media itself.

There really is no honor amongst thieves.
 
She did the right thing. Had Hogan listened to her and not sold the iPhone but returned it to Apple, we would never know that that phone had been lost. This story would not exist. By talking to police when she did she probably saved both Hogan & his room mate from getting into more trouble than they are already in.

I am sure that this is not the first time an Apple employee has lost (or had stolen) a prototype device. But in those instances the person who found the prototype device returned it to Apple, did the right thing, end of story.
 
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Now that this specialised law enforcement group has posession of so many of Giz's computers, to comb through... (supply your own ending). He could, Dubya-like, plead incompetance over bad intent ("Who could have forseen... ?") Maybe his next defense will be to point out how many of those deized computers involved were Macs. A crime of passion! This is reminiscent of the escalating craziness of 'The Bonfire of the Vanities'. (Google it.) Except, it's too small-time to be worth a book or movie treatment. Unless the police defend their raid by saying they blogged about it later, and are thus "journalists".
 
Now that this specialised law enforcement group has posession of so many of Giz's computers, to comb through... (supply your own ending). He could, Dubya-like, plead incompetance over bad intent ("Who could have forseen... ?") Maybe his next defense will be to point out how many of those deized computers involved were Macs. A crime of passion! This is reminiscent of the escalating craziness of 'The Bonfire of the Vanities'. (Google it.) Except, it's too small-time to be worth a book or movie treatment. Unless the police defend their raid by saying they blogged about it later, and are thus "journalists".
"Bonfire of the Vanities" was a work of fiction.

It was a nice first novel from Tom Wolfe, nothing more. Frankly, his non-fiction work is far better.
 
Why is everyone assuming that the phone was lost ?

Because it is the simplest answer.

There is no indication whatsoever that Hogan stole the phone, the Apple guy himself said that this would be unlikely (wouldn't he try and blame it on someone else instead of looking like an idiot losing it?). There is also no indication whatsoever that the Apple guy showed his phone around or blabbed about it so that people around would hear him. Besides, Hogan sure as hell doesn't give the impression of a shady, smart and calculating criminal.
 
Okay, how do you explain....

1 - Apples competitor getting a bonus 3 months to develop a product that will compete against the new phone ? Usually Apple releases a product, and they have a few months of no competition as their competitors try to design and come up with something that will outdo the phone. This relates to lost sales of iPhones from when the iphone comes out to when their competitor puts their product out.

2 - How can this have a large impact of reviewing Apple products ? If a journalist wants to review an existing Apple product that is in stores or Apple gives them a device to review, then there is nothing wrong with that. But when you take something that belongs to a company that is not public information yet, and you take it apart and publish pictures of the product all over the internet. Then this is a crime involving publishing trade secrets. These secrets can have serious impacts on the economy, Apple, and all their investors.

I like apple products but honestly...

Apple is a bully. Its complete BS to believe anyone in their right mind that could break a huge story like this wouldn't take advantage of that. Thats like telling the National Enquirer or People Magazine to hold off on releasing information about Jesse James' whores because Sandra didn't want anyone to know.

Apple is a bully because they utilized their power, in which any company would deny, to attack Gizmodo. While its true that consumers would've probably held off waiting for the new iPhone... they should've been smart and change into good PR leaking over small bits of info to the public.

Attacking journalists over this can have strong negative impacts on reviewing future Apple products. It happens people. Look at fox news. They can twist any good story to make it sound like its a bad thing.

I'm glad the judge unsealed it and showed the power Apple has over particular entities. The only thing those idiots that sold the iPhone to Gizmodo did wrong was getting caught. Now they look like fools. IMHO.:D
 
I know people are going to argue that if they don't buy the 3GS they will by the Iphone G4...so it doesn't hurt sales in the long haul. The problem with that argument is it leaves Apple with an abundance of 3Gs' and 3GS. This hurts their forecasts significantly, which affects their stock price, and Apple will have to significantly cut the cost of the older units to not lose money on them.

Also, electronic products like 3G and 3GS phone are usually a lot cheaper to manufacture at the end of their product cycle than newly introduced ones like the 4G iPhone (higher yields, lower cost for the parts). Apple will most likely introduce the new phones at a similar price level. So the will lose money on people holding off for the new phone.
 
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