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You do realise that you could be sued for libel for what you've just written? If I were you I'd ask Arn to take your comments down, before Hogan's lawyers try and claim back from you some of the massive fine he's likely to have to pay when all this is over.

Keep it down. Stating possibilities is not libel. After all, they ARE possibilities albeit unlikely ones.
 
Priceless prototypes shouldn't be used in a bar, when accidents like this can happen. Also, Gra could still test this iPhone like everyone would, just not bring it to any dumb place like a bar./QUOTE]

Prototypes that are assigned to employees for field testing are to be used in public. Bars and pubs are included. I don't know what it is you have against bars, but it is a location that people use phones, and it is a valid place just as any to test the iPhone.
If your argument is that accidents can happen in a bar, then I have news for you: Accidents can happen anywhere.



Regardless. He should have checked his purse/bag, and or pants pockets. having a prototype that money can't buy (according to apple) should mean being X-tra careful. If i had something like that, it would be in my pockets, hand, or at home safely hidden. Def not in a bag.

It doesn't matter what you think he should or shouldn't have done. What matters is what the law says on the matter. You can speculate as to whether a person who was mugged at night should've took extreme precautions to prevent the event from happening (He should've carried a weapon, he should never leave his house at night, accidents can happen!) but at the end of the day the law recognizes the thief, the criminal, to be guilty. You can try as hard as you want to bend things to make the employee be at guilt, but in reality, it's obvious who deserves all the blame.
Him testing the phone at the bar doesn't make him deserving of having it stolen, sold, disassembled, and damaged. All I can say is I'm glad you're not the one overseeing matters like this, you wouldn't know what's what!
 
It's not really Apple that has them by the short hairs. It's the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office. This is a criminal investigation by the county.

Hogan will never do time behind bars (unless he has a previous criminal record). He'll get slapped with thousands of dollars of fines and probably spend a fair amount of time doing roadside landscaping for the Sheriff's Work Program.

Chen and Lam are probably through working in tech media. My guess is that Gawker Media's Nick Denton will settle out of court (to reduce attorney fees -- the cheapskate that he is), then unceremoniously dump Chen and Lam. They're both still on the Gizmodo masthead, but I'm doubt that Denton really considers them employees anymore. Denton got a boatload of pageviews; he only cares about money, not people.

Only Hogan's whistle-blowing female roommate showed any integrity here. Everyone else failed badly.

I hope it turns out otherwise. Were I the sentencing judge I'd lock Hogan up long enough to make an impression on him and on those who thought his behavior wasn't blameworthy. Ninety days sounds about right, again assuming no priors.

Whoever turns out to have been the motivating force at Gawker or Gizmodo is the person I most want to see receive the harshest penalty if convicted. There's an element of superciliousness about their actions, their letters to Apple and to the investigating detective, and in their blog entries that bespeaks a level of disrespect for the legal rights of others that calls for comeuppance. Whether it turns out to be the COO/barrister or someone else, that person does not want to come before me.

I accept your handicapping of the odds, but in a case as widely-publicized as this one, with even Jon Stewart tacitly condoning the alleged acts, I'm hoping for outlier sentences.
 
Some of these responses are beyond stupid.

...Apple is a bully, Apple did this, she is a snitch, blah blah blah....

Apple did what ANY company would do and did nothing wrong. Some of you guys need to get a clue and stop acting like mindless morons.
 
Some of these responses are beyond stupid.

...Apple is a bully, Apple did this, she is a snitch, blah blah blah....

Apple did what ANY company would do and did nothing wrong. Some of you guys need to get a clue and stop acting like mindless morons.


Ditto Ditto Ditto

Some of the responses I've seen here make me embarrassed to be an American. We live in a society of largely uneducated, ignorant, and entitled little mama's boys.
 
And yet it was the media clamoring for the unveiling of the affidavit, and a rival tech news agency being the first to post it. MacRumors readers weren't the ones who pressured for the disclosure. It was the tech media itself.

I strongly support the act of unveiling the document. After all it's the work of a publicly funded criminal police investigation.

BUT, they really should have taken out the personal information. That's all.
 
I AGREE. A lot of people in this forum are unfairly attacking the female roommate and Apple.

But, Apple is just protecting their interests (like any tech company would do) AND the female roommate would be an accomplice if she knowingly went along with the other roommates. She's the one that wanted him to give the phone back.
 
Whoever turns out to have been the motivating force at Gawker or Gizmodo is the person I most want to see receive the harshest penalty if convicted. There's an element of superciliousness about their actions, their letters to Apple and to the investigating detective, and in their blog entries that bespeaks a level of disrespect for the legal rights of others that calls for comeuppance.

Their letter to Apple, in particular, reeks of extortion.
 
Wow, felony charges are no joke. Looks like someone is going to get a spanking.

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I hope it turns out otherwise. Were I the sentencing judge I'd lock Hogan up long enough to make an impression on him and on those who thought his behavior wasn't blameworthy. Ninety days sounds about right, again assuming no priors.

Whoever turns out to have been the motivating force at Gawker or Gizmodo is the person I most want to see receive the harshest penalty if convicted. There's an element of superciliousness about their actions, their letters to Apple and to the investigating detective, and in their blog entries that bespeaks a level of disrespect for the legal rights of others that calls for comeuppance. Whether it turns out to be the COO/barrister or someone else, that person does not want to come before me.

I accept your handicapping of the odds, but in a case as widely-publicized as this one, with even Jon Stewart tacitly condoning the alleged acts, I'm hoping for outlier sentences.
Ain't gonna happen.

San Mateo County's jail system is over capacity, the judges' dockets are overbooked, etc. Unless this Hogan fellow has previous criminal history, he's not gonna do time. Generally speaking, there's not a lot of violent crime in San Mateo County (apart from East Palo Alto), but property crime has skyrocketed in these recession years.

The cash-strapped county gets more by extracting a large fine out of Hogan than putting him behind bars. He's basically a stupid, morally-bereft greedy kid who saw a cheap opportunity. Heck, he would have gotten far more by offering the device to one of Apple's competitors (who would have kept the transaction totally secret), not to some tech blog.

Hogan got himself into this muddle by being a bloody fool. He's a mouth-breathing clown.

The Gizmodo guys are far more serious offenders. They paid money for a device that clearly didn't belong to the seller. Worse, they held out returning the device to Apple, despite the fact that it was blatantly a prototype device and thus property of the manufacturer (clearly identifiable). That's why the affidavit says "suspect Chen."

While Hogan was an idiot, Chen and Lam were willful and complicit violators of California law. That's why the county's investigation is focused on them.
 
I AGREE. A lot of people in this forum are unfairly attacking the female roommate and Apple.

But, Apple is just protecting their interests (like any tech company would do) AND the female roommate would be an accomplice if she knowingly went along with the other roommates. She's the one that wanted him to give the phone back.

I still think the girl should get some freebies from SJ himself. Just not the MBA cuz then she'd be a snitch.
 
I AGREE. A lot of people in this forum are unfairly attacking the female roommate and Apple.

The female roommate and APPLE are the only two players involved in this story who aren't complete morons and/or thieves.

The female roommate was apparently smart enough to realize that she didn't want anything to do with her shady roommate in regards to his "found" iPhone and she didn't want to get into trouble so she did the right thing.

All Apple did is take legal steps to protect it's property, which is what any sane company would do.
 
Yeah, I agree, Apple comes off as a bully here. This kid did not steal the phone, and he did not sell the phone to Nokia or Blackberry or something. He went to an online news source and was paid for the exclusive right to examine it. Journalists pay for exclusive information all the time. If Gizmodo intended to steal the phone they certainly wouldn't have run an article about it. Apple is being way too heavy-handed here. Very disappointing.

Plus, I have to say all the sanctimonious condemnations of the leak on this site in particular are utterly hilarious in their lack of self awareness. This is Mac Rumors--a site that ran all the leaked information about this phone with no compunctions whatsoever--and you all read about it. You read these same kinds of stories all the time, and Arn has no problem publishing them. If you were all so concerned about Apple keeping its corporate secrets you wouldn't be here in the first place, and Arn would have stayed a doctor. Or are you going to show your solidarity with Apple by giving this site up now? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Apple can shoulder some blame too, because they use sites like this to plant fake rumors in order to generate PR. By teasing people like that and stoking their appetite for Apple rumors, they only made it more likely that someone would hand their lost prototype to a journalist instead of giving it back.
 
Funny how Hogan (the guy who sold the phone) couldn't get in touch with anyone at Apple yet his roommate had no problem contacting Apple's security chief.

I think somebody is going to have to find herself some new roommates instead of the turkeys she has now.

Good luck with that "Nice Christian boy, gives to poor people, tried to return it and had no idea it was valuable" defense.

Also, it is reported there's a Gizmodo/Gawker exec who is out of the country. Wonder why?

I don't think the shield law was meant for this kind of activity.
 
Yeah, I agree, Apple comes off as a bully here. This kid did not steal the phone, and he did not sell the phone to Nokia or Blackberry or something. He went to an online news source and was paid for the exclusive right to examine it. Journalists pay for exclusive information all the time. If Gizmodo intended to steal the phone they certainly wouldn't have run an article about it. Apple is being way too heavy-handed here. Very disappointing.

Plus, I have to say all the sanctimonious condemnations of the leak on this site in particular are utterly hilarious in their lack of self awareness. This is Mac Rumors--a site that ran all the leaked information about this phone with no compunctions whatsoever--and you all read about it. You read these same kinds of stories all the time, and Arn has no problem publishing them. If you were all so concerned about Apple keeping its corporate secrets you wouldn't be here in the first place, and Arn would have stayed a doctor. Or are you going to show your solidarity with Apple by giving this site up now? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Apple can shoulder some blame too, because they use sites like this to plant fake rumors in order to generate PR. By teasing people like that and stoking their appetite for Apple rumors, they only made it more likely that someone would hand their lost prototype to a journalist instead of giving it back.

Did you read that warrant? You cannot be a serious person and think "Apple is a bully" after reading that. If you know California law, that kid was guilty of theft the second he knew it belonged to an Apple engineer and didn't return it. Then he compounded it by selling something that didn't belong to him. That's illegal, you know?

Ask the head of "Macrumors" if Apple plants rumors. The secret sauce in the publicity they get: the products are great. The people who have them want to know what they'll do next. They release NOTHING. They don't have to.
 
This kid did not steal the phone, and he did not sell the phone to Nokia or Blackberry or something.

But, he sold it to a website which would make the information public and then broadcast those secrets to anybody on the planet with an internet connection, including Nokia and Blackberry and everybody else of course.
 
Did you read that warrant? You cannot be a serious person and think "Apple is a bully" after reading that. If you know California law, that kid was guilty of theft the second he knew it belonged to an Apple engineer and didn't return it. Then he compounded it by selling something that didn't belong to him. That's illegal, you know?

Ask the head of "Macrumors" if Apple plants rumors. The secret sauce in the publicity they get: the products are great. The people who have them want to know what they'll do next. They release NOTHING. They don't have to.

He also tried to hide the evidence, including in a church and in some bushes on the side of the road. He knew he was guilty.
 
Priceless prototypes shouldn't be used in a bar, when accidents like this can happen. Also, Gra could still test this iPhone like everyone would, just not bring it to any dumb place like a bar./QUOTE]

Prototypes that are assigned to employees for field testing are to be used in public. Bars and pubs are included. I don't know what it is you have against bars, but it is a location that people use phones, and it is a valid place just as any to test the iPhone.
If your argument is that accidents can happen in a bar, then I have news for you: Accidents can happen anywhere.

It doesn't matter what you think he should or shouldn't have done. What matters is what the law says on the matter. You can speculate as to whether a person who was mugged at night should've took extreme precautions to prevent the event from happening (He should've carried a weapon, he should never leave his house at night, accidents can happen!) but at the end of the day the law recognizes the thief, the criminal, to be guilty. You can try as hard as you want to bend things to make the employee be at guilt, but in reality, it's obvious who deserves all the blame.
Him testing the phone at the bar doesn't make him deserving of having it stolen, sold, disassembled, and damaged. All I can say is I'm glad you're not the one overseeing matters like this, you wouldn't know what's what!

Assuming that this kid didn't know what he had, the whole, "it was an innocent mistake" is destroyed by the informant, and by the whole ghastly scene witnessed by the detective of trying to retrieve what was left of the evidence they tried to destroy. That could earn another charge.
 
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